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inconceivable said:
Is that allowed? Can an agent tell teams not to draft a player?
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An agent can tell teams anything they want. It's up to the teams to listen or not. Kobe's team said don't draft him, he's only playing for LA. Elway's team did the same in the NFL. Danny Ferry did the same.
 
I gave Portland an A, even though I don't know much about Murray or Rupert. I gave them and A because I'm a Blazer fan and want to have some hope

I'd wonder if Murray was a bit of a nod to Dame's wishes as he's not a 19 year old, but is a 22 year old having played 3 seasons in the Big-10
 
Wow I didn't expect to see about 80% of posters give the Blazers an A. I was watching Blazers Uprise and they were crying endlessly about the pick not being traded. It was odd because they were praying super hard that Scoot falls to #3 because they thought we'd have way more trade options - then they were extremely upset when at #3 we just draft him LOL.

Seems that a lot more Blazer fans have moved on from that disappointment and faced reality that there just wasn't a realistic way to contend now with Dame - so BPA is the way.
 
wizenheimer said:
I gave Portland an A, even though I don't know much about Murray or Rupert. I gave them and A because I'm a Blazer fan and want to have some hope

I'd wonder if Murray was a bit of a nod to Dame's wishes as he's not a 19 year old, but is a 22 year old having played 3 seasons in the Big-10
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He's one of Dame's guys. They have a relationship. This pick is indicative of the new reality of the CBA.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Wow I didn't expect to see about 80% of posters give the Blazers an A. I was watching Blazers Uprise and they were crying endlessly about the pick not being traded. It was odd because they were praying super hard that Scoot falls to #3 because they thought we'd have way more trade options - then they were extremely upset when at #3 we just draft him LOL.

Seems that a lot more Blazer fans have moved on from that disappointment and faced reality that there just wasn't a realistic way to contend now with Dame - so BPA is the way.
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WHO?
 
Were it not for Wembayana, Scoot probably would have been top pick. He can play behind and with Dame. He makes it more likely Ant can be traded for a better fit.
With low picks if a team gets a solid rotation player they are doing well. Blazers got two. I think Rupert could be sleeper of this draft class.
 
I give us an A- tbh. Think all 3 guys can be very good professionals and Scoot especially has All-Star potential.
 
it's no surprise the Blazers would clean up on draft day. Being a stinky team has some real advantages.

Losing for better rookies is the easy part. Now the tougher test is on the horizon.

Can the Blazers start over from scratch with all these new rookies? I would say absolutely, sure, why not.

Will the GM keep his promise and trade all these new kids for win now additions, creating a super duper playoff team around Damian?? I have no clue

Management's job is to sell tickets. Guilding the lily. Get fans into the arena by any means necessary.

As a Blazer fan, I never want to see this team get embarrassed on the court. I kinda freak out when Portland gets mauled. Why ?? Because Damian Lillard is too freaking good at basketball to be part of a team that prioritizes losing on purpose for better draft picks.

If Lillard sticks around to play awesome basketball on a young rookie rebuilding team, only to take an early vacation so the team can lose as many games possible, then Damian himself is basically the GM calling these shots.

I will no longer listen to him whining about being on a bad team, nor worry that Dame's talent is being wasted. This is Lillard's team, he is part of this rebuilding era. He makes plenty of money and doesn't need no one telling him he needs to chase no stupid rings.

The stealth tank worked perfectly.
Will we see it again ??
 
AmirIcon said:
He's one of Dame's guys. They have a relationship. This pick is indicative of the new reality of the CBA.
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Yeah I think the draft used to be how you try to swing for the fences and get a top3 guy for your team - even well into the end of the first round or early 2nd round.

Now were seeing way more teams want to have those draft picks just to be able to get some competent 7th/8th men in their rotation, as in free agency there's no way to have much more then vet minimums at those spots whom are normally more 12th quality men in the rotation.

It used to be a team with ShaqKobe could fill out a roster with two solid MLE type guys and a bunch of vet minimums to contend. Now that doesn't work - see LeBron/Davis. You need quality rotational players in all of your top8 spots. Maybe you get lucky and sign one vet minimum there for a season, but its basically impossible to get multiple vet minimum guys fulfilling a number of those roles.

It'll probably get even more difficult during future years of the CBA and the 2nd apron.
 
THE HCP said:
An agent can tell teams anything they want. It's up to the teams to listen or not. Kobe's team said don't draft him, he's only playing for LA. Elway's team did the same in the NFL. Danny Ferry did the same.
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The difference between Kobe's demand was that there was only one team he was willing to play for (Lakers) while Elway and Ferry just didn't want to play for a single bad organization who was likely to pick them. Via his agent, Kobe threatened to enrole at UNC if anyone but the Lakers held his rights following the draft. Per the rules at the time which were subsequently changed because of his tactic, a team would lose their rights to a player after a year if they didn't sign and then the player could re-enter the next draft.

STOMP
 
TBpup said:
Apparently, Hornet fans were NOT happy with the Miller selection. The mascot at the fan Draft party apparently hung his head in disappointment. :biglaugh:

Kupchak didn't seem too thrilled either.

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GMs all across the NBA have been getting the Cronin treatment from their fans since the draft started. Apparently all GMs are trash.
 
I gave us an A. We got great value at the picks where we drafted. I can see all three guys being rotation players down the road and both Scoot and Murray can contribute right away. I give the team an F as far as doing what they said they'd do.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Much less likely we trade Scoot. It would look bad those teams didn't believe in him from the start. Also Cronin talked super highly of Scoot. Once he signs his contract in the next few days he'll be playing with our summer league team.

After seeing Cronin presser I think he will aim to trade Dame or Ant though.
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I see the speculation that we trade Scoot, because there have been guys drafted and then traded a couple of months later in the past.

The thing with those latter cases, though, is, in almost every one of those instances, the draft-and-trade was rumored during or even before the draft. That's why I'd be very surprised if it happened here. Some team would have to absolutely love Scoot and be willing to trade the farm for him, and, right now, we don't seem to have a team that fits that profile.
 
blazerkor said:
I gave us an A. We got great value at the picks where we drafted. I can see all three guys being rotation players down the road and both Scoot and Murray can contribute right away. I give the team an F as far as doing what they said they'd do.
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Those Blazer Uprise guys also mentioned not liking that they feel like Cronin mislead them.

I don't understand why this matters to any of you? Why does Cronin need to loop you in and communicate on the true direction of the team? Why can't he change his mind and tactics if the situations or opportunities change over many weeks and months?

I just care what actions the team does, what players they sign, what picks they acquire or give up, and what good or bad contracts they have. I don't care if he sticks to some comment from months ago or goes against it - I want him making the best decision at the time he makes it.

Now a part of his job is communicating to employees, players, owners such as Dame and Jody. So I hope he had much more clear honest direct and updating information for them. I would highly suspect he does - but those are private conversations and they don't need to be relayed to any of us. I don't see why he needs to do any of that publicly to me or other fans.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
I don't see why he needs to do any of that publicly to me or other fans.
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Fans whining about being misled by a GM like those you're describing are stupid for thinking that a GM would actually tell them what they're going to do and even dumber for calling attention to their stupidity. They have a name for a GM that tells you what he's going to do... John Nash.

STOMP
 
Is it misleading if you are trying to make a move, but the offers you get are garbage so you don't make a move? Remember how he got roasted when he did make moves that brought very little back? There were discussions, but no one was willing to give up what the Blazers thought was equal value, or no one thought the #3 pick + was equal value for what they were giving up.

Was he supposed to sell at 60 cents on the dollar? 70? 80? What would have been an acceptable number? They are trying to make deals, but they just have very few tradeable pieces. They had the #3 which was worth a lot. #23, not worth that much. Nurkic, worth even less. Little, not worth a lot. Ant, worth some, but an undersized SG, sometimes PG isn't bringing in massive offers. So now you have to start combining all of those and you end up with very little left and a gutted roster.

Everyone asked about Sharpe and why wouldn't they? He has massive potential and is on a rookie deal which is worth GOLD with the new CBA coming up. To #3, Sharpe AND Ant + for the salary cap money to make a deal work? That is a lot to give up...and for what? Siakam who has said he isn't resigning? A very talented but oft injured, overweight, poor social decision making Zion? Nets weren't trading Bridges. So I'm wondering what was legitimately out there that Cronin was supposed to move so many assets for that wouldn't have left Portland with a shell of a roster and nothing but some exceptions to fill everything else out with?
 
TBpup said:
Is it misleading if you are trying to make a move, but the offers you get are garbage so you don't make a move? Remember how he got roasted when he did make moves that brought very little back? There were discussions, but no one was willing to give up what the Blazers thought was equal value, or no one thought the #3 pick + was equal value for what they were giving up.

Was he supposed to sell at 60 cents on the dollar? 70? 80? What would have been an acceptable number? They are trying to make deals, but they just have very few tradeable pieces. They had the #3 which was worth a lot. #23, not worth that much. Nurkic, worth even less. Little, not worth a lot. Ant, worth some, but an undersized SG, sometimes PG isn't bringing in massive offers. So now you have to start combining all of those and you end up with very little left and a gutted roster.

Everyone asked about Sharpe and why wouldn't they? He has massive potential and is on a rookie deal which is worth GOLD with the new CBA coming up. To #3, Sharpe AND Ant + for the salary cap money to make a deal work? That is a lot to give up...and for what? Siakam who has said he isn't resigning? A very talented but oft injured, overweight, poor social decision making Zion? Nets weren't trading Bridges. So I'm wondering what was legitimately out there that Cronin was supposed to move so many assets for that wouldn't have left Portland with a shell of a roster and nothing but some exceptions to fill everything else out with?
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I agree with all of this.

But at the same time the reason many people are frustrated (Dame probably included) is because how the messaging has been since Cronin took over. Each deadline we're told how anxious the team is to compete around Dame, overpay for a difference maker, build a contender etc. etc.

And each deadline we fail to deliver. When you look back at each individual move and the reason they made those moves, it all makes sense. But at some point all the talk is tiring. We were told by Cronin, Chauncey and Dame and the EOY presser that this time would be different. We would get something done. And we walked out of the draft with a generational talent that plays the same position as Dame.

I'm not asking for them to get fleeced, but I hope at least internally they're discussing the idea that they need to pick a lane, and that lane may not include Dame.
 
A- and it's almost all because of Murray. I'm ready to be wrong on him, but 3yr players in the Big 10 who only start their last year, and don't have great athleticism don't give me a ton of confidence. Is he guarding MPJ or Tatum or getting shots off against Kawhi? I would've liked OMP or Miller at 23, but that may have changed the Rupert pick I like. So I'm not crushing it, but I'm not giving it an A+.

Though bonus points for (so far) resisting the siren song of giving up #3 or Sharpe for someone who I will not like having on the roster.
 
I voted A, but I am no college guru like some of you guys. That said, especially since Schmitz showed up, we have had amazing drafts. Shaeden and Scoot, back to back? Wow!
 
Does anyone else find it a little pathetic they’re including this in an email to season ticket holders?
 

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Winning the NBA title is much to do with team chemistry, healthy roster come playoffs, and a shitload of luck. What the Blazers could use is a replacement of Nurkic. I truly don’t see him contributing to chemistry, health nor luck. Great kid from what I can tell, but imagine our roster with a more athletic center? A more athletic center will help with chemistry. I’ll take Ayton for Nurkic, Little, Johnson and a future 1st.

Re-sign Grant and find a way to add Bruce Brown and I think the team will be young, fun, athletic, to which chemistry can be found through Dame’s leadership. Get to the playoffs healthy and with a shitload of luck ….

and we’re young and developing as well - do wish we would used the 23rd pick on the best available PF or Center, therefore I give the draft a B+
 
wizenheimer said:
would you rather listen to casual morons, or committed ones?
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Committed morons at least do some research. They formulate an opinion based on something. These people don’t know shit. One of them compared Scoot to Jamal Crawford.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
Winning the NBA title is much to do with team chemistry, healthy roster come playoffs, and a shitload of luck. What the Blazers could use is a replacement of Nurkic. I truly don’t see him contributing to chemistry, health nor luck. Great kid from what I can tell, but imagine our roster with a more athletic center? A more athletic center will help with chemistry. I’ll take Ayton for Nurkic, Little, Johnson and a future 1st.

Re-sign Grant and find a way to add Bruce Brown and I think the team will be young, fun, athletic, to which chemistry can be found through Dame’s leadership. Get to the playoffs healthy and with a shitload of luck ….

and we’re young and developing as well - do wish we would used the 23rd pick on the best available PF or Center, therefore I give the draft a B+
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This is in-line with what I’m thinking but you wrote it better than I did (mine was a random string-of-conscientious without sleep, lots of travel, lots of stress, to be fair).
 
I'm saying B+. Scoot wasn't some genius maneuvering, he fell into their lap.
Tayshaun Murray will contribute with his shooting and intelligent play, but he's not the physical presence they need to get.
Rupert gives me a little Batum vibe. I'm hoping he gets some time in the GL so there's more reason to go watch. He and Badji will be interesting to watch develop.
BTW-I just saw Jabari at LO Grill in Wilsonville and it got me thinking. It has to be tough when you're the 9th or 10th guy and they pick a guy that could take your minutes and ultimately your spot on the roster. I wanted to say hello and wish him good luck because I do like him, but my daughter, being the level-headed one, told me to leave him alone. I like the kid and I love that he rebounds. This team needs interior defense and rebounding as much as any other facet of the game.
 
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