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TBpup said:
Supposedly, the Kings offer would be getting Collins w/o giving up their pick. They have better ending contracts to give up than we do.
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Unless we can get Grant for a pick ~20 (7 = 9+20+Langford) and the '25 Bucks pick. Then use Grant to swap with Collins.
 
It’s the Jerami Grant conundrum. If our pick was #18 and they wanted a pick and a future first or player it’s a lot more tolerable.

But when your pick is #7 you essentially have to say “lol, no. Not giving you a FRP this year”.

Hawks, same thing:
“Well teams can give us what we want now… but if you throw #7 in… I think we can figure it out”.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
I really like the Kings / Hawks idea for both teams.
They Suns / Raptors idea is also very intriguing for both teams.

Since you are hearing some things.... PLEASE tell me that #7 is NOT on the table for Grant.
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It is not.....at this time. I can't believe 'Sell Low' Joe would do that, but if everything else falls apart, would he start to feel desperate to get something done? I pray not. I just don't think they can get a lot done. Neil put this organization in a massive hole, and then SLJ (while getting us out of contract hell) got precious little in return and really messed up the NOP pick nonsense.

I don't think they can get to contender status in the next couple of years and to mortgage the franchises future to try to do so for Dame would be an exercise in futility to me. It's why, while I don't want to trade Dame, I think it might be in the best interest of the franchise to get the most that you can, and begin moving forward, instead of desperately trying to go the route of Rumpelstilskin.
 
Predator said:
It’s the Jerami Grant conundrum. If our pick was #18 and they wanted a pick and a future first or player it’s a lot more tolerable.

But when your pick is #7 you essentially have to say “lol, no. Not giving you a FRP this year”.

Hawks, same thing:
“Well teams can give us what we want now… but if you throw #7 in… I think we can figure it out”.
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I would easily combine the two. I'd give the Hawks Bledsoe and 7 for Collins and 16 then give 16 and the Bucks pick to the Pistons for Grant. If I had to sweeten the Hawks deal with 36, they could get me to do that.

I think Grant and Collins would be the best forward tandem we've had since Nic and LA and I think they're more complementary to Dame and Ant than even Nic and LA would have been back then. With a bench of Hart, Nas, Justice and the TPMLE along with the youngsters that'd have to be the best roster Dame's had.
 
blazerkor said:
I would easily combine the two. I'd give the Hawks Bledsoe and 7 for Collins and 16 then give 16 and the Bucks pick to the Pistons for Grant. If I had to sweeten the Hawks deal with 36, they could get me to do that.

I think Grant and Collins would be the best forward tandem we've had since Nic and LA and I think they're more complementary to Dame and Ant than even Nic and LA would have been back then. With a bench of Hart, Nas, Justice and the TPMLE along with the youngsters that'd have to be the best roster Dame's had.
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Sharpe > Grant > Collins

Stars will help Damian come closest to winning a championship. Is Sharpe isn't there, then okay. Not totally against this deal.
 
Why do I get the feeling those same people who are undervaluing Grant and Collins will also be pining for them once they're traded to other teams on draft night?
 
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blazerkor said:
I would easily combine the two. I'd give the Hawks Bledsoe and 7 for Collins and 16 then give 16 and the Bucks pick to the Pistons for Grant. If I had to sweeten the Hawks deal with 36, they could get me to do that.

I think Grant and Collins would be the best forward tandem we've had since Nic and LA and I think they're more complementary to Dame and Ant than even Nic and LA would have been back then. With a bench of Hart, Nas, Justice and the TPMLE along with the youngsters that'd have to be the best roster Dame's had.
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Dame
Ant
Grant
Collins
Nurk

gets smoked in the playoffs in my opinion, so really not interested. We would be a treadmill team (again). There’s not a single elite defender in the group.
 
Duckhook said:
Why do I get the feeling those same people who are undervaluing Grant and Collins will also be pining for them once they're traded to other teams on draft night?
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Depends on what they are traded for.

Just like Wood. While he isn't a star, he is a more talented player than most of the guys we have. For what the Mavs got him for, I would have pounced on any deals like that.
 
Duckhook said:
Why do I get the feeling those same people who are undervaluing Grant and Collins will also be pining for them once they're traded to other teams on draft night?
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Why do I get the feeling those same people who are overvaluing Grant and Collins will also be the ones bitching about the blazers for not using the #7 pick 4 years for now?

“if we didn’t trade our best FRP in years for (overvalued player) we could’ve drafted (x)… and our team would look like (y). Fuck the Vulcans!”
 
AmirIcon said:
Sharpe > Grant > Collins

Stars will help Damian come closest to winning a championship. Is Sharpe isn't there, then okay. Not totally against this deal.
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But Sharpe isn't greater than Grant and Collins together. Also, Collins has untapped potential. Two seasons ago he was 23 and people were talking about him as an up and coming all star. I don't think there's a leader on that roster to keep someone like Collins going when his touches go down... I do think Dame can do that for him and I think in Chauncey's offense his touches would go up even sharing them with Dame, Ant, Grant and Nurk. I think a healthy Dame combined with Chauncey's system will keep athletic forwards like Collins and Grant engaged.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Depends on what they are traded for.

Just like Wood. While he isn't a star, he is a more talented player than most of the guys we have. For what the Mavs got him for, I would have pounced on any deals like that.
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The Mavs could afford a weak defender like him because they had one of the league's best defenses. Portland can't afford bad defenders right now. I agree that Wood was a nice pickup for them. He just wouldn't have been good for us.
 
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blazerkor said:
But Sharpe isn't greater than Grant and Collins together. Also, Collins has untapped potential. Two seasons ago he was 23 and people were talking about him as an up and coming all star. I don't think there's a leader on that roster to keep someone like Collins going when his touches go down... I do think Dame can do that for him and I think in Chauncey's offense his touches would go up even sharing them with Dame, Ant, Grant and Nurk. I think a healthy Dame combined with Chauncey's system will keep athletic forwards like Collins and Grant engaged.
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I will always take the best player in any deal. It's why I would have traded 3/5 of our starting lineup for Barkley when we had the chance.

They can find another PF via another trade elsewhere. Good players are available for pennies all the time.

If Sharpe is there, you take him and see what you have with him, Simons and Little. See what works and what doesn't. Maybe Damian isn't working. We don't know. But when you have a chance at a true star, you don't give him away because of fit. We already have a starting SF anyways with Little. We're only missing a starting PF. I believe he can be found with other tools that don't sacrifice your lottery pick.
 
AmirIcon said:
The Mavs could afford a weak defender like him because they had one of the league's best defenses. Portland can't afford bad defenders right now. I agree that Wood was a nice pickup for them. He just wouldn't have been good for us.
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I don't disagree. But he has talent and would be one of our top talents on a team devoid of much talent. He was had for cheap.

Wiggins was thought of as a bad fit for GSW too.

I'm willing to take chances on guys that are bad fits if they cost is low enough as long as they have talent. We don't have a ton of assets to improve.
 
The other idea I was thinking about was what if the rumor about Dort and 12 for 7 is true and we take Sochan at 12 with the plan to sign and trade Ant for Grant when free agency opens. Some of you might not love that but Dame, Dort, Grant, Sochan, Nurk, Hart, Nas and Justise would be a brutal defense to play against and I think would have the offensive firepower to make a go of it. Some might think that Ant for Grant would be like Jermaine for Dale but Jermaine and I wouldn't trade Ant for Grant in a normal trade but in a S&T situation I don't know if we could ask for more. Also I just love how many guys out of those eight are just dawgs on defense and hopefully we would add one more big to that mix.
 
blazerkor said:
The other idea I was thinking about was what if the rumor about Dort and 12 for 7 is true and we take Sochan at 12 with the plan to sign and trade Ant for Grant when free agency opens. Some of you might not love that but Dame, Dort, Grant, Sochan, Nurk, Hart, Nas and Justise would be a brutal defense to play against and I think would have the offensive firepower to make a go of it. Some might think that Ant for Grant would be like Jermaine for Dale but Jermaine and I wouldn't trade Ant for Grant in a normal trade but in a S&T situation I don't know if we could ask for more. Also I just love how many guys out of those eight are just dawgs on defense and hopefully we would add one more big to that mix.
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We're trading our budding superstar for a guy with a year left on his contract and we don't even have bird rights on him? That's not the move. At all.
 
AmirIcon said:
We're trading our budding superstar for a guy with a year left on his contract and we don't even have bird rights on him? That's not the move. At all.
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We would have to have an extension worked out with Grant before we pulled the trigger.
 
blazerkor said:
The other idea I was thinking about was what if the rumor about Dort and 12 for 7 is true and we take Sochan at 12 with the plan to sign and trade Ant for Grant when free agency opens. Some of you might not love that but Dame, Dort, Grant, Sochan, Nurk, Hart, Nas and Justise would be a brutal defense to play against and I think would have the offensive firepower to make a go of it. Some might think that Ant for Grant would be like Jermaine for Dale but Jermaine and I wouldn't trade Ant for Grant in a normal trade but in a S&T situation I don't know if we could ask for more. Also I just love how many guys out of those eight are just dawgs on defense and hopefully we would add one more big to that mix.
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Not opposed to trading Ant, but we have the maximize the value of the asset. Which trading him for Grant would not do.

If Ant truly is the real deal, you have to resign him and let him play the first part of the year. If he continues the breakout and shows he’s an all star talent, then you have more leverage at the trade deadline. You can easily get a better player than Grant for a 22 year old all star level player. That puts you in a place to get a player like OG + extras, or Miles Bridges, or someone else much better than Grant.
 
blazerkor said:
The other idea I was thinking about was what if the rumor about Dort and 12 for 7 is true and we take Sochan at 12 with the plan to sign and trade Ant for Grant when free agency opens. Some of you might not love that but Dame, Dort, Grant, Sochan, Nurk, Hart, Nas and Justise would be a brutal defense to play against and I think would have the offensive firepower to make a go of it. Some might think that Ant for Grant would be like Jermaine for Dale but Jermaine and I wouldn't trade Ant for Grant in a normal trade but in a S&T situation I don't know if we could ask for more. Also I just love how many guys out of those eight are just dawgs on defense and hopefully we would add one more big to that mix.
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But who is the second star when teams inevitably double Dame?
 
Natebishop3 said:
But who is the second star when teams inevitably double Dame?
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People have started to think Dame really is superman now and can get it done by himself. How did that work for Doncic? And Doncic is a better player than Dame.

We need another star. Point blank. Or move on from Dame. Going for good role players is just going to delay the inevitable and waste time.
 
CJ_is_Gone said:
This is a bad take.
IMO, Collins is on par with Grant as a defender. Neither one is elite. Both are good/slightly better than average.

I take Collins every day of the week over Grant as a player.
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Nah, both are below average perimeter defenders.Screenshot_20220621-044931_Sheets.jpg
 
blazerkor said:
The other idea I was thinking about was what if the rumor about Dort and 12 for 7 is true and we take Sochan at 12 with the plan to sign and trade Ant for Grant when free agency opens. Some of you might not love that but Dame, Dort, Grant, Sochan, Nurk, Hart, Nas and Justise would be a brutal defense to play against and I think would have the offensive firepower to make a go of it. Some might think that Ant for Grant would be like Jermaine for Dale but Jermaine and I wouldn't trade Ant for Grant in a normal trade but in a S&T situation I don't know if we could ask for more. Also I just love how many guys out of those eight are just dawgs on defense and hopefully we would add one more big to that mix.
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Sign and trading Ant for Grant would be dumber than anything Olshey ever did in his time here.
 
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7. Portland Trail Blazers
Shaedon Sharpe
Kentucky
SG
Age: 19.0

Sharpe's standing has solidified with some outstanding showings in competitive private workouts -- his performances have improved with every visit and he has demonstrated significantly more fire than teams expected from the intel they gathered on Sharpe coming out of Kentucky. Damian Lillard is said to be high on Sharpe's talent, despite Sharpe being 12 years younger and seemingly on a completely different timetable from Lillard. Sharpe is clearly oozing with natural ability, possessing elite physical tools with his exceptional frame, length and explosiveness, to go along with dynamic perimeter shooting ability. There was a reason he was the No. 1-ranked player in his high school class, but his lack of experience and how little he has been evaluated might make it difficult for a team picking higher than this to roll the dice on him.

- Givony
 
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7. Portland Trail Blazers
Dyson Daniels | 6-7 wing | 19 years old | G League Ignite
Daniels gives the Blazers something they lack on the perimeter: a glue guy who defends at a high level and does all of the little things while also being an elite defender. Daniels came in at the combine between 6-foot-7 and 6-foot-8 and would be a terrific complement to both Damian Lillard and Anfernee Simons, assuming the latter is re-signed this offseason following his breakout 2022 season. Daniels passes really well and generally makes life much easier for his teammates with his unselfishness, his balance and his passing and playmaking.

- Vecenie
 
Predator said:
7. Portland Trail Blazers
Dyson Daniels | 6-7 wing | 19 years old | G League Ignite
Daniels gives the Blazers something they lack on the perimeter: a glue guy who defends at a high level and does all of the little things while also being an elite defender. Daniels came in at the combine between 6-foot-7 and 6-foot-8 and would be a terrific complement to both Damian Lillard and Anfernee Simons, assuming the latter is re-signed this offseason following his breakout 2022 season. Daniels passes really well and generally makes life much easier for his teammates with his unselfishness, his balance and his passing and playmaking.

- Vecenie
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Almost sounds like Pippens draft bio. Not saying hes Pippen but I see a lot of similar attributes. I’m 110% on board keeping this kid if we draft him.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Almost sounds like Pippens draft bio. Not saying hes Pippen but I see a lot of similar attributes. I’m 110% on board keeping this kid if we draft him.
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That is not the first time I've heard someone mention he was somewhat Pippen-esque.
Interesting that Dame would be okay with 'waiting' on Sharpe. If that is the case, they must have some level of confidence they are going to be able to get other things done with EBEC, the TPE and the MLE.
 

  • [*]Teams selecting behind the New Orleans Pelicans have painted them as a trade-down candidate, particularly with OKC at No. 12, if New Orleans officials' prioritized targets are not still on the board at No. 8. Rivals believe Dyson Daniels and Bennedict Mathurin are the Pelicans' top choices in that slot.
    [*]The Rockets' deal with the Mavericks that sent Christian Wood for the No. 26 pick cannot be completed until draft night, and there's a strong possibility Houston will look to expand the deal by trading up with the No. 17 pick or by making various other moves. There's a chance the trade won't be finalized until July 6, after the free-agency moratorium.
    [*]John Collins continues to be mentioned as the most likely trade candidate among impact veterans around the league, and it’s believed Collins and the Atlanta Hawks have a mutual interest to find him a new destination. Atlanta’s recent conversations with Sacramento regarding Collins have not included the No. 4 pick, sources confirmed to B/R. The Hawks and Kings held talks about Collins before the February trade deadline. Sacramento's Harrison Barnes is considered available for trade.
    [*]The Hornets are expected to gauge trade interest in Terry Rozier, P.J. Washington, Kelly Oubre Jr. and Mason Plumlee in advance of Bridges' restricted free agency.
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Honestly Barnes is probably a better player than Grant. And possibly cheaper too.
 
Predator said:
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7. Portland Trail Blazers
Shaedon Sharpe
Kentucky
SG
Age: 19.0

Sharpe's standing has solidified with some outstanding showings in competitive private workouts -- his performances have improved with every visit and he has demonstrated significantly more fire than teams expected from the intel they gathered on Sharpe coming out of Kentucky. Damian Lillard is said to be high on Sharpe's talent, despite Sharpe being 12 years younger and seemingly on a completely different timetable from Lillard. Sharpe is clearly oozing with natural ability, possessing elite physical tools with his exceptional frame, length and explosiveness, to go along with dynamic perimeter shooting ability. There was a reason he was the No. 1-ranked player in his high school class, but his lack of experience and how little he has been evaluated might make it difficult for a team picking higher than this to roll the dice on him.

- Givony
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Less than a week ago, Givony said Sharpe did not set himself apart in workouts v Dyson and Mathurin in Detroit.

How does one go from that to "outstanding" in less than a week? Was his showing in Portland that awesome?

I'm skeptical about the veracity of this new report.
 
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