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[riverman]

Blocked shots alone do not tell if a player is truly a rim protector. Much of the benefit of having someone like a Tyson Chandler is that they stay in the post and serve as intimidation, which can be just as valuable, if not more valuable, than actual blocked shots. Batum blocks shots. Dwyane Wade has averaged over a block a game multiple times in his career. Is he a rim protector?

in reference to Tim Duncan..he is a rim protector..SF is another discussion

 

[Natebishop3]

in reference to Tim Duncan..he is a rim protector..SF is another discussion

You're using blocked shots as the sole evidence of being a defensive anchor/rim protector. I'm saying that someone like Dwyane Wade can average over a block per game as a 6'4 shooting guard.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

You're using blocked shots as the sole evidence of being a defensive anchor/rim protector. I'm saying that someone like Dwyane Wade can average over a block per game as a 6'4 shooting guard.

I definitely see your point... however, if Dwayne Wade averaged 2.2 blocks per game at 6'4", he'd probably be deemed a rim protector.

 

[Natebishop3]

I definitely see your point... however, if Dwayne Wade averaged 2.2 blocks per game at 6'4", he'd probably be deemed a rim protector.

If Dwyane Wade was 6'11, he would have averaged more than 2.2 blocks per game!

 

[BlazerCaravan]

If Dwyane Wade was 6'11, he would have averaged more than 2.2 blocks per game!

2 blocks per game is a lot. Here's the list of every player who averaged 2.0 blocks or more per game during their career.

http://bkref.com/tiny/7jYfr

Is there anyone on that list other than Tim Duncan who isn't considered a rim protector?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

2 blocks per game is a lot. Here's the list of every player who averaged 2.0 blocks or more per game during their career.

http://bkref.com/tiny/7jYfr

Is there anyone on that list other than Tim Duncan who isn't considered a rim protector?

Josh Smith is the only one I see that I would say isn't one but he is also about to fall off the list as he just barely made it and hasn't been blocking as much in later years (and I think Tim is one conversely).

 

[Natebishop3]

2 blocks per game is a lot. Here's the list of every player who averaged 2.0 blocks or more per game during their career.

http://bkref.com/tiny/7jYfr

Is there anyone on that list other than Tim Duncan who isn't considered a rim protector?

When I think of a defensive anchor, I think of guys like Mutombo, Ben Wallace, Theo Ratliff, etc. I think that Duncan is an amazing defender, but you don't have to be anywhere near the basket to get a block. That's my point on why I brought up Wade. You can block a shot anywhere on the court. If someone wants to attempt a shot from under their own basket, you can record a block. Maybe I'm just not remembering Duncan camped under the basket that much.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

When I think of a defensive anchor, I think of guys like Mutombo, Ben Wallace, Theo Ratliff, etc. I think that Duncan is an amazing defender, but you don't have to be anywhere near the basket to get a block. That's my point on why I brought up Wade. You can block a shot anywhere on the court. If someone wants to attempt a shot from under their own basket, you can record a block. Maybe I'm just not remembering Duncan camped under the basket that much.

During Duncan's entire career, how many long-distance shooting centers and power forwards have there been? More than a couple in the last three years, but in the last 15? All camped out down low with their butt up in Duncan't hips trying to get position like Barkley.

Duncan is a rim protector.

 

[Natebishop3]

During Duncan's entire career, how many long-distance shooting centers and power forwards have there been? More than a couple in the last three years, but in the last 15? All camped out down low with their butt up in Duncan't hips trying to get position like Barkley.

Duncan is a rim protector.

No! He's not a rim protector because I said so!

 

[riverman]

No! He's not a rim protector because I said so!

Now you're cookin'

 

[RR7]

I love Stotts, but sometimes I worry about how little he develops his youth on the court. The great coaches in the league work their up and coming talent into the mix, even having some work in clutch situations.

This seems like a throw it out there comment without a real strong argument to back it up, minus something like oh, look at how Pop plays so and so. But for every example, there's plenty of counter examples to them, young guys who didn't get minutes under great coaches, most likely because they just weren't that good. Generally, top coaches have the ability to recognize GOOD young players, and find minutes/time for them. Not just any old rookie or young guy

 

[magnifier661]

This seems like a throw it out there comment without a real strong argument to back it up, minus something like oh, look at how Pop plays so and so. But for every example, there's plenty of counter examples to them, young guys who didn't get minutes under great coaches, most likely because they just weren't that good. Generally, top coaches have the ability to recognize GOOD young players, and find minutes/time for them. Not just any old rookie or young guy

I disagree respectively. I think if Pops had CJ and Leonard, they would be much further along. Also, thibs developed good young talent as well. Who knew about Butler or Gibson when they were coming out of the draft?

 

[RR7]

I disagree respectively. I think if Pops had CJ and Leonard, they would be much further along. Also, thibs developed good young talent as well. Who knew about Butler or Gibson when they were coming out of the draft?

Leonard was a big time project coming out though, why exactly would Pops have him on a different track"? CJ has been delayed far more by injuries than he has been by Stotts. Again, it's something easy to say, with absolutely nothing to base it on.
Thibodeau failed to develop James Johnson when he had him. Or Marquuis Teague. James Anderson was someone a lot of scouts loved for his scoring coming out of college. Then he fell on draft night to the Spurs and people got excited about it. And Pops didn't do shit with him because he wasn't all that good/ready. Pop wasn't ale to work his magic on turning Austin Daye into even a serviceable NBA player like a lot thought once they acquired him. They don't just wave magic wands and turn nothing into something is all I'm saying. People used to say that about Nate as well, how he hated rookies, regardless of how often it was shown to them how much he played rookies, when they weere GOOD rookies, like most any coach.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Duncan is a monster on the inside, still, at 39 or whatever.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Just a reminder, for those who wish we had a better defense: we could have drafted Draymond Green (most first-place votes for DPoY this year) and Rudy Gobert instead of Meyers Leonard and CJ. Just sayin'.

If Meyers and CJ could play like they did last night every game, then I'd go back in a time machine just to pick them again. Clearly me trashing them was the decisive motivation.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Leonard was a big time project coming out though, why exactly would Pops have him on a different track"? CJ has been delayed far more by injuries than he has been by Stotts. Again, it's something easy to say, with absolutely nothing to base it on.

I agree with this. Just like with Dame, Stotts intent was to play CJ early and often. But then he missed the first few months of his rookie year and it set him back. Same this year, he started to look good, then got hurt and it set him back. True Stotts sat him in favor of AAA after the trade, but at the time before Aaron and Wes got hurt, we were starting to gel. But the bottom line CJ has developed nicely after only his second season.

As for Leonard........like you say he was a project. And bigs develop slower. And now at the end of season 3 he has become a legitimate player. I actually give Stotts and his coaches a lot of credit for the way these two have progressed. Sure Leonard would have progressed quicker if he had Steven Adams minutes (Who also sucked early on) but we had other options.

Neil is looking a lot smarter than he was a few months ago.......