Drunk Teen Kills 4, Gets Probation

[BLAZER PROPHET]

How do you measure such a repayment?

Jail time.

4 manslaughters = 20 years

Simple math.

 

[porkchopexpress]

What debt is being repayed to society? How do you measure such a repayment?

What would this kid have to do for you to think jail time was justified?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

What debt is being repayed to society? How do you measure such a repayment?

I've always hated that phrase. Incarceration isn't "repaying" anything.

With that concept in mind, however, I wouldn't mind a condition of this kid's sentencing being going around to every high school in the area and speaking in assemblies, holding himself up as a cautionary tale of what underage drinking can result in. Say, 2 years in juvy, and 25 "don't be like me" speeches. THAT would be "repaying a debt to society".

 

[VanillaGorilla]

4 dead people that would not be dead if he had not driven drunk.

That's a huge debt, and he damn sure isn't repaying it by serving probation.

Seeing jail time as "repaying a debt" it a huge problem in this country. It makes no sense.

How is he repaying a debt by being in jail?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Seeing jail time as "repaying a debt" it a huge problem in this country. It makes no sense.

How is he repaying a debt by being in jail?

I used to have a professor that said "instead of sending non violent criminals to jail, we should garnish their and their family's wages for the term of the sentence. Give that money to help Government programs. That would be a true repaying of a debt"

 

[Natebishop3]

Seeing jail time as "repaying a debt" it a huge problem in this country. It makes no sense.

How is he repaying a debt by being in jail?

Repaying the debt would be taking him out back and hanging him until he stops breathing.

I wouldn't do that because he's 16, so he can rot in prison for 25 years and think about not driving drunk.

 

[noknobs]

He didn't intend to kill anybody. It was a mistake. Putting a 16 year old kid behind bars for 10 years would serve no purpose. If he fucks up while on probation then put him behind bars.

I'm sure you'd feel the same way if he killed four members of your family. I'm sure you'd feel like justice has been served since he got probation.

 

[tlongII]

I'm sure you'd feel the same way if he killed four members of your family. I'm sure you'd feel like justice has been served since he got probation.

He didn't so who knows? That's not the point though. Those dead people aren't coming back whether he goes to prison or not. At 16, I don't think he should go to prison.

 

[Natebishop3]

He didn't so who knows? That's not the point though. Those dead people aren't coming back whether he goes to prison or not. At 16, I don't think he should go to prison.

So, honest question, what would a 16 year old have to do in order to spend 20-25 years in prison? What crime do you think would warrant that kind of sentence?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I hear his lawyer was Robert Bro-piro. :MARIS61:

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Repaying the debt would be taking him out back and hanging him until he stops breathing.

I wouldn't do that because he's 16, so he can rot in prison for 25 years and think about not driving drunk.

Why do you want him to rot in prison for 25 years, just to punish him? You already said it's not about him learning his lesson.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I'm sure you'd feel the same way if he killed four members of your family. I'm sure you'd feel like justice has been served since he got probation.

What a terribly illogical mindset to have. How would you feel if the 16 year old boy was your son or brother? Actually, it wouldn't matter, because you would be the furthest thing from impartial.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

fuck this guy. do the crime, do the time, son. just because his rich cracka family is influential in the community and can pay off crooked docs doesn't mean he should get off scott free. fuck that. dude needs to feel the pain.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Was it the theft of the beer that was unintentional, the underage consumption thereof, or the driving while intoxicated?

He intentionally drank. He intentionally drove drunk. Both are against the law and he knew it.

Those four people are dead because he was selfish. 16 is old enough to know right from wrong.

These posts show that you guys know he didn't intentionally kill anyone. He should be punished for underage drinking and driving.

The deaths were still an accident.

 

[Natebishop3]

Why do you want him to rot in prison for 25 years, just to punish him? You already said it's not about him learning his lesson.

Yes, to punish him. He doesn't deserve to be walking around while four people rot in the earth.

 

[Natebishop3]

These posts show that you guys know he didn't intentionally kill anyone. He should be punished for underage drinking and driving.

The deaths were still an accident.

They weren't an accident. He drove drunk. The deaths and the driving drunk are connected. Cause and effect. He got drunk, he get behind the wheel, he killed those people. Cause and effect.

If he loaded a gun and fired 30 rounds into 30 different directions just for the fuck of it, but 4 of those rounds hit and killed 4 people, would you call that an accident? He didn't mean to shoot those people. It was an accident, right? He didn't know that he would shoot anyone when he fired in a bunch of random directions, right?

 

[noknobs]

What a terribly illogical mindset to have. How would you feel if the 16 year old boy was your son or brother? Actually, it wouldn't matter, because you would be the furthest thing from impartial.

I'm illogical because I think killing four people while drinking and driving deserves a harsher punishment than probation? Fuck you.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I'm illogical because I think killing four people while drinking and driving deserves a harsher punishment than probation? Fuck you.

That's not what I was saying at all, but alrighty..

 

[VanillaGorilla]

They weren't an accident. He drove drunk. The deaths and the driving drunk are connected. Cause and effect. He got drunk, he get behind the wheel, he killed those people. Cause and effect.

If he loaded a gun and fired 30 rounds into 30 different directions just for the fuck of it, but 4 of those rounds hit and killed 4 people, would you call that an accident? He didn't mean to shoot those people. It was an accident, right? He didn't know that he would shoot anyone when he fired in a bunch of random directions, right?

I don't think that analogy is applicable, like at all.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't think that analogy is applicable, like at all.

How so?

When you drive drunk, you are taking other people's lives into your hands. A car can be one of the most lethal weapons in society. You are operating that weapon while impaired. Driving on the road, while drunk, is essentially like firing a gun and hoping not to hit anyone. I could fire my handgun 15 times and not hit anyone. If I'm messing around with my gun and it goes off, the bullet goes through three walls and kill a neighbor, is it negligence? Would you call it murder?

The point is, if I'm being negligent and I kill someone, it is not an accident. Negligence removes that word from the equation. He drove drunk, he was criminally negligent, and he killed four people.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

A 16 yr old who steals beer, drinks to the level of .24, drives with people in the back of his pickup and plows into 4 pedestrians at a high rate of speed is not someone I would trust being free in my community to make decisions that could impact me and my loved ones.

I think the judge's decision is disrespectful to both the victims and the community.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

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[blue32]

How so?

When you drive drunk, you are taking other people's lives into your hands. A car can be one of the most lethal weapons in society. You are operating that weapon while impaired. Driving on the road, while drunk, is essentially like firing a gun and hoping not to hit anyone. I could fire my handgun 15 times and not hit anyone. If I'm messing around with my gun and it goes off, the bullet goes through three walls and kill a neighbor, is it negligence? Would you call it murder?

The point is, if I'm being negligent and I kill someone, it is not an accident. Negligence removes that word from the equation. He drove drunk, he was criminally negligent, and he killed four people.

Pretty much spot on. And TLongII no offense, but what the fuck man? If the guy was TWO (and that's if he just turned 16) freaking years older he's in jail plain and simple. He should be in jail now. 16 years old is more than mature enough to know the consequences from driving loaded.

 

[tlongII]

Pretty much spot on. And TLongII no offense, but what the fuck man? If the guy was TWO (and that's if he just turned 16) freaking years older he's in jail plain and simple. He should be in jail now. 16 years old is more than mature enough to know the consequences from driving loaded.

I disagree. Sixteen is a kid. He was driving to get from point A to point B. He made a terrible mistake, but he shouldn't go to prison.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I disagree. Sixteen is a kid. He was driving to get from point A to point B. He made a terrible mistake, but he shouldn't go to prison.

Trying to get from point A to point B totally blitz'd brah.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

This judge better be damn sure this "kid" doesn't do it again . . . because if he goes out, drinks and kills someone else, that judge should be fired or recalled or whatever. And how the judge will live with himself will be his problem.

Last year 16,894 people were convicted of driving under the influence in the state; 3,716, or about one quarter of them, were repeat offenders, according to statistics from Mothers Against Drunk Driving.

In Tennessee, thousands of convicted DUI offenders get right back out on the road. They make up aliases to hide their records. They often spend little time behind bars. Sometimes they flee to avoid prosecution.

Or, they simply get back in the car, even when the courts strip away their driving privileges.

They cause accidents. They kill people.

* * *

The probability of DUI recidivism predicted by a simple model using BAC, prior 2-year total convictions,
and offender level could be used by presentence investigators, judges, or in administrative settings to
determine appropriate sanctions, treatment program assignment, or other remedial measures. The
findings support the notion that first offenders with high BAC levels and/or several prior 2-year total
convictions are at as high a risk of recidivating as repeat offenders

 

[Natebishop3]

I disagree. Sixteen is a kid. He was driving to get from point A to point B. He made a terrible mistake, but he shouldn't go to prison.

When you say a "kid," I think of someone who's five or six years old. Sixteen is a young adult. They're old enough to drive and they're old enough to know better.

 

[Sinobas]

Oh, he's 16, just a poor baby boy, only give him probation. But if he were 2 years older, then he's magically an adult that deserves to be held accountable for his actions. That's bullshit.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

When you say a "kid," I think of someone who's five or six years old. Sixteen is a young adult. They're old enough to drive and they're old enough to know better.

That's where I come down--if you're old enough to drive, then you're old enough to be held accountable for your actions while driving. Or stated another way, if 16-year-olds are too young to suffer consequences for crimes committed while driving, then they shouldn't be granted licenses at all.

 

[blue32]

That's where I come down--if you're old enough to drive, then you're old enough to be held accountable for your actions while driving. Or stated another way, if 16-year-olds are too young to suffer consequences for crimes committed while driving, then they shouldn't be granted licenses at all.

Roger fucking that. There should be no way in hell a 16 year old can get a license and then get the proverbial "get out of jail free" card (when he kills people) because hes not considered a legal "adult" yet.
This whole thing is bullshit and saying "it's okay, because he's a kid" is ignorant at best, very damn dangerous at worst.