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What’s wrong with throwing the backup in?

Cameron Rising started the year as the back up and he looks like a heisman candidate against us

reports were that Mario and Ty Thompson talked about preserving his redshirt season, and TT decided he wanted to preserve it. IIRC, Thompson has already played in the max number of games (4). The 3rd string QB (Butterfield) may be hurt
 
reports were that Mario and Ty Thompson talked about preserving his redshirt season, and TT decided he wanted to preserve it. IIRC, Thompson has already played in the max number of games (4). The 3rd string QB (Butterfield) may be hurt
I hope thats the case cause I can't wrap my head around it otherwise
 
I hope thats the case cause I can't wrap my head around it otherwise

like I said....I guess I wouldn't call it reports, just that insiders said that was the case. Besides, putting in Ty against that Utah defense may not have been a good idea, he's not nearly as mobile or as physical as Anthony Brown. Utah was merciless on defense tonight
 
Cristobal can recruit but schematically he blows

- Duck alum
 
I honestly feel sorry for Oregon fans. They need to look at the U of O athletic department the way they look at Blazer management - don't believe the hype.

If the team was as talented as they believe, Mario leaving wouldn't be a problem. Top coaches would be happy to take the job.
 
he’s a great coach. He just beat Utah like this in pac 12 title game 2 years ago. He’s a great recruiter with a really young team. He’s a hot commodity as a coach throughout the nation.

my only gripe is that he’s way too damn conservative and needs to bring in an innovative offensive mind.
No. He is not. Being a great coach and a great recruiter are two different things. He just got his ass kicked two weeks ago by Utah and absolutely looked worse tonight. No adjustments. No player development. The most untimely, significant penalties over and Over. 3rd and long? Just through it up and the Ducks will get PI. Every single time. Mario need to go to Miami. Oregon recruits itself.
 
No. He is not. Being a great coach and a great recruiter are two different things. He just got his ass kicked two weeks ago by Utah and absolutely looked worse tonight. No adjustments. No player development. The most untimely, significant penalties over and Over. 3rd and long? Just through it up and the Ducks will get PI. Every single time. Mario need to go to Miami. Oregon recruits itself.

haha Oregon recruits itself lol. Helfrich and Taggert couldn’t recruit shit.

unfortunately this team was absolutely rattled by injuries and had an end of the season collapse. Young team. Next year my expectations will be higher. They were low going into this season. Thankfully I’ll never have to watch Anthony Brown QB ever again
 
haha Oregon recruits itself lol. Helfrich and Taggert couldn’t recruit shit.

unfortunately this team was absolutely rattled by injuries and had an end of the season collapse. Young team. Next year my expectations will be higher. They were low going into this season. Thankfully I’ll never have to watch Anthony Brown QB ever again
Helfrich recruited mariota. Taggart had very good recruits. I will GLADLY be a top 20 recruiting class with good coaching vs a top 5 class with bad coaching. Mario can’t coach.
 
Helfrich recruited mariota. Taggart had very good recruits. I will GLADLY be a top 20 recruiting class with good coaching vs a top 5 class with bad coaching. Mario can’t coach.

The data suggests to be a national champion you pretty much have to be a top 10 recruiter. Helfrich was a terrible recruiter and it led to a 4-8 record. No MC team will ever finish 4-8, he brings in way too much talent.

MC needs to give up more control and stick to his strengths: Recruiting and OL development. Let his assistants shine where he is weak.
 
The data suggests to be a national champion you pretty much have to be a top 10 recruiter. Helfrich was a terrible recruiter and it led to a 4-8 record. No MC team will ever finish 4-8, he brings in way too much talent.

MC needs to give up more control and stick to his strengths: Recruiting and OL development. Let his assistants shine where he is weak.

Bingo.

Something also has to change with the pregame or whatever they’re doing to rack up so many injuries. I don’t think it was just fluky, for a team that prides itself on strength and conditioning
 
Bingo.

Something also has to change with the pregame or whatever they’re doing to rack up so many injuries. I don’t think it was just fluky, for a team that prides itself on strength and conditioning

I don't know enough about this stuff, but the amount of serious injuries this roster faced was crazy. Oregon was talented, but only about 2 teams in the country have the depth to overcome that volume of injuries. Hopefully it's not on the S&C program.
 
reports were that Mario and Ty Thompson talked about preserving his redshirt season, and TT decided he wanted to preserve it. IIRC, Thompson has already played in the max number of games (4). The 3rd string QB (Butterfield) may be hurt

Thompson has only played in 3 games. I suspected if Oregon won today, you wouldn't have seen him in the Rose Bowl. However, at this point, I think the right play is to start him and play Butterfield in the Alamo Bowl to start getting a feel for how serious they need to hit the transfer portal for a QB.
 
Thompson has only played in 3 games. I suspected if Oregon won today, you wouldn't have seen him in the Rose Bowl. However, at this point, I think the right play is to start him and play Butterfield in the Alamo Bowl to start getting a feel for how serious they need to hit the transfer portal for a QB.

Thompson is the highest recruited Oregon QB ever. Would be pretty sad if we had to get a transfer
 
I been telling ya all season about Christobal. Guy is a trash in game coach. Why do these big jobs want Christobal? Go hire Utah coach.

That guy would absolutely love to have the superstars Christobal gets. kyle whitingham takes 2 and 3 star recruits and continuously does more with them. I applaud that dude.
 
Helfrich recruited mariota. Taggart had very good recruits. I will GLADLY be a top 20 recruiting class with good coaching vs a top 5 class with bad coaching. Mario can’t coach.

100% this. Give me a top 20 recruiting class but a master X and Os coach. That’s what Utah’s coach does. Fuck this amazing recruiting bullshit. Christobal can’t coach for shit
 
Helfrich recruited mariota. Taggart had very good recruits. I will GLADLY be a top 20 recruiting class with good coaching vs a top 5 class with bad coaching. Mario can’t coach.

Did Chip ever have a recruiting class rated in the top 20?
 
I noticed that Utahs O & D line, and line backers were much faster. Now, Oregon looked very slow last night period.

If Utah had started the season with that QB they could have run the table in the Pac 12.
I would expect them to beat MSU, MICH, OSU or IOWA whoever plays them in the Roses Bowl.
The way Utah uses the one back, multiple tight ends and slot receivers is impressive and hard to defend.
 
I might be wrong about this, but it could be that Utah is simply better? I mean, 61-7 over 6 quarters seems like compelling evidence
Yes. I guess one could say Ducks were just not a very good team. Somehow beat Ohio State in the opener; maybe they had better pre-season preparation. Struggled against many weak teams all season and of course lost to a bad team. Appears that Pac-12 was not very strong.
 
I noticed that Utahs O & D line, and line backers were much faster. Now, Oregon looked very slow last night period.

If Utah had started the season with that QB they could have run the table in the Pac 12.
I would expect them to beat MSU, MICH, OSU or IOWA whoever plays them in the Roses Bowl.
The way Utah uses the one back, multiple tight ends and slot receivers is impressive and hard to defend.
Yes. Have to question whether Cristobal's emphasis on power over speed has hurt. Certainly his teams not as enjoyable to watch as previous Duck teams.
 
Yes. Have to question whether Cristobal's emphasis on power over speed has hurt. Certainly his teams not as enjoyable to watch as previous Duck teams.
The lines are certainly bigger than teams under past coaches. I dont think they ever had a 260 linebacker, in fact most were average to small but fast.
Keep in mind that these huge lines he as will get better once they become junior, seniors.
 
Yes. Have to question whether Cristobal's emphasis on power over speed has hurt. Certainly his teams not as enjoyable to watch as previous Duck teams.
It appears there could be a new OC and if Thompson is a good as advertised?
 
Did Chip ever have a recruiting class rated in the top 20?

he had three: 12th, 12th, 14th. Even though he was coach for four seasons, because of the timing of his promotion to HC and then him leaving for the NFL, he practically had just 3 recruiting classes. (those were composite rankings of the three recruiting services)

Chip is a bad comp for anything though. He made his success with almost all Bellotti recruits. If you look at the 2-deep for the national championship game against Auburn in Chip's 2nd season, 39 of the 44 players were Bellotti recruits. And Chip just caught lightning in a bottle. He was running a spread-power offense when defenses had no clue how to defend it; and, he was running high tempo when again, defenses weren't prepared. He also had Oregon on top of fairly weak Pac-12. Stanford was the only team that was consistently good in the 4 years Chip was coach. Besides that, Chip's recruiting success was mostly on offense. His defenses got progressively worse over his 4 years

and of course, if Chip was such a genius he wouldn't have had a 28-35 record in the NFL and a 18-25 record at UCLA. At UCLA he found out what it was like to have to build a program instead of inheriting a highly talented roster like he did at Oregon. In fact, Chip's situation at UCLA kind of mirrors Cristobal's situation at Oregon. Mario inherited a roster that was weak from Helfich's last couple of recruiting seasons, and had lots of holes because of decommitments after Taggart left. Mario had to rebuild just like Chip did. They have both been head coaches for 4 seasons; Chip's record is 18-25; Mario's is 35-12. And Mario's record against Chip is 3-0 (I don't count the bowl game when Mario had been HC for a week and had 3 practices before the game)

I think people trashing Cristobal are full of shit. Or at least they have no grasp on reality. By that I mean, contrary to hype, Oregon is not a blue-blood of college football. They aren't an Alabama or Georgia or Ohio State or Oklahoma. They are not close to recruiting hot beds like the blue-bloods and they don't have the tradition. They are a lot more like Utah than Ohio State or Alabama.

so then, I don't know what you people expect. Being in the playoffs most of the time? That's not going to happen. National Championships every 5 or 6 years? Again...won't happen

as a Pac-12 coach, Mario's winning percentage is .744. How does that compare to other conference coaches?

John McKay .749 (USC. Won 4 national Championships, 8 conference championships, and 5 Rose Bowls)
Cristobal .744 (.729 if you want to be pissy)
Don James .712 (the Husky Legend)
Chris Petersen .679
Mike Bellotti .678
Kyle Whittingham .676
David Shaw .674
Chip Kelly .667
Terry Donahue .665
Jeff Tedford .590

what kind of coach do you guys think the Ducks will end up with if Mario leaves? Somebody like Peter Carroll or Nick Saban? Not going to happen. They'll be extremely lucky to end up with somebody like Bellotti or Chris Peterson. Coaches who averaged 8 wins in a 12 game season. Mario has averaged 9.

I think it's a decent chance Cristobal will leave for Miami. So you guys will get to see what kind of coach Oregon can land. If he does leave, the recruiting class will be gutted, the transfer portal will be full, and the new coach will have to start over. Then you guys can not only bitch about the coaching but the recruiting too!
 
he had three: 12th, 12th, 14th. Even though he was coach for four seasons, because of the timing of his promotion to HC and then him leaving for the NFL, he practically had just 3 recruiting classes. (those were composite rankings of the three recruiting services)

Chip is a bad comp for anything though. He made his success with almost all Bellotti recruits. If you look at the 2-deep for the national championship game against Auburn in Chip's 2nd season, 39 of the 44 players were Bellotti recruits. And Chip just caught lightning in a bottle. He was running a spread-power offense when defenses had no clue how to defend it; and, he was running high tempo when again, defenses weren't prepared. He also had Oregon on top of fairly weak Pac-12. Stanford was the only team that was consistently good in the 4 years Chip was coach. Besides that, Chip's recruiting success was mostly on offense. His defenses got progressively worse over his 4 years

and of course, if Chip was such a genius he wouldn't have had a 28-35 record in the NFL and a 18-25 record at UCLA. At UCLA he found out what it was like to have to build a program instead of inheriting a highly talented roster like he did at Oregon. In fact, Chip's situation at UCLA kind of mirrors Cristobal's situation at Oregon. Mario inherited a roster that was weak from Helfich's last couple of recruiting seasons, and had lots of holes because of decommitments after Taggart left. Mario had to rebuild just like Chip did. They have both been head coaches for 4 seasons; Chip's record is 18-25; Mario's is 35-12. And Mario's record against Chip is 3-0 (I don't count the bowl game when Mario had been HC for a week and had 3 practices before the game)

I think people trashing Cristobal are full of shit. Or at least they have no grasp on reality. By that I mean, contrary to hype, Oregon is not a blue-blood of college football. They aren't an Alabama or Georgia or Ohio State or Oklahoma. They are not close to recruiting hot beds like the blue-bloods and they don't have the tradition. They are a lot more like Utah than Ohio State or Alabama.

so then, I don't know what you people expect. Being in the playoffs most of the time? That's not going to happen. National Championships every 5 or 6 years? Again...won't happen

as a Pac-12 coach, Mario's winning percentage is .744. How does that compare to other conference coaches?

John McKay .749 (USC. Won 4 national Championships, 8 conference championships, and 5 Rose Bowls)
Cristobal .744 (.729 if you want to be pissy)
Don James .712 (the Husky Legend)
Chris Petersen .679
Mike Bellotti .678
Kyle Whittingham .676
David Shaw .674
Chip Kelly .667
Terry Donahue .665
Jeff Tedford .590

what kind of coach do you guys think the Ducks will end up with if Mario leaves? Somebody like Peter Carroll or Nick Saban? Not going to happen. They'll be extremely lucky to end up with somebody like Bellotti or Chris Peterson. Coaches who averaged 8 wins in a 12 game season. Mario has averaged 9.

I think it's a decent chance Cristobal will leave for Miami. So you guys will get to see what kind of coach Oregon can land. If he does leave, the recruiting class will be gutted, the transfer portal will be full, and the new coach will have to start over. Then you guys can not only bitch about the coaching but the recruiting too!

Nice breakdown!
Im hopeful he stays but thats his decision. For many including me it all comes down to where you want to live.
 
Yes. I guess one could say Ducks were just not a very good team. Somehow beat Ohio State in the opener; maybe they had better pre-season preparation. Struggled against many weak teams all season and of course lost to a bad team. Appears that Pac-12 was not very strong.

c'mon....they won 10 games. They are a good team, just not a great team. Utah was just better and Utah's strengths were able to exploit Oregon's vulnerabilities. It was a bad matchup for the Ducks made worse because of some season ending injuries for Oregon
 

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