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[STOMP]

Money has ruled the sport and the majority of student athletes are picking their unversities for their reputation in the sports, not academics.

While it's obvious that HS football players have always highly valued the reputation a school has in their sport, I'm sure that many also highly value what sort of academics are available to them. The reputation a school has with academics is largely irrelevant though as they're receiving much higher levels of support then the general student body. Personal tutors in any subject meeting them on their schedule, lavish private centrally located study halls, ect... it's not an apples to apples experience. There are big behind the scenes differences in academic support (and expectations) from one school to the next that lead some athletes one way or another based on what they want to achieve in college.

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[e_blazer]

If the players are going to be straight up professional athletes, and we are talking about a billion dollar industry, WTF are the teams even affiliated with an institution of higher education?

I think the answer to your question is that without the tie to universities, there wouldn’t be much interest in what would be viewed as minor league football. Universities need the money and acclaim that comes from college football and college football needs the built-in viewership that comes from student and alumni support of their college teams.

 

[Tince]

While it's obvious that HS football players have always highly valued the reputation a school has in their sport, I'm sure that many also highly value what sort of academics are available to them. The reputation a school has with academics is largely irrelevant though as they're receiving much higher levels of support then the general student body. Personal tutors in any subject meeting them on their schedule, lavish private centrally located study halls, ect... it's not an apples to apples experience. There are big behind the scenes differences in academic support (and expectations) from one school to the next that lead some athletes one way or another based on what they want to achieve in college.

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I don't think the you're seeing an abnormal amount of top HS football player attend the University of Alabama for their academic support, tutors, etc. I could be wrong though.

 

[Tince]

I think of the current D1 football situation this way:

If we had to start from scratch and come up with a way for a football system that allowed elite HS football players to advance their skills prior to the NFL, nobody would say "Here's what we should do: Have them go to a university for a few years, force them to "attempt" to get a degree to be eligible, not allow them to work other jobs or profit of their image, and call the amauter athletes, while the univeristy of this larger governing board can bring in crazy amounts of money."

Yet that's what we've been doing for decades. The European model makes way more sense to me. I love going to college games, but the whole setup is nuts.

 

[Hoopguru]

As a guy who grew up in Eugene, this is all really sad to me. Money and greed are ruining college football. There will be no more tradition, no more regional rivalry games. It's fucking sad.

I still think there is a possibility The Pac 10 adds a number of teams and Oregon will stay in the Pac?

 

[STOMP]

I don't think the you're seeing an abnormal amount of top HS football player attend the University of Alabama for their academic support, tutors, etc. I could be wrong though.

reread the last sentence from my post and you'll see that I'm acknowledging the existence of all sorts of student athletes.

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[STOMP]

I still think there is a possibility The Pac 10 adds a number of teams and Oregon will stay in the Pac?

Someone still needs to fill the late night Friday and Saturday time slots and ESPN is going to need programing...

Be it another radical reshuffling of the deck to a Soccer style model where yearly schools move up and down in divisions based on their results, joining another super conference or Oregon & other western schools getting relegated to a 2nd tier level left out of the big TV money, I'm going to remain a rabid Ducks fan yelling my voice out by halftime.

There is good reason to be optimistic going into this season. They've been stacking great recruiting classes for a while now, but the last couple seasons they've had subpar QB play. It sure looks like they've improved that most important position on paper and the rest of the lineup is stocked. Can not wait for the Georgia game. Lets Go Ducks!

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[Tince]

I still think there is a possibility The Pac 10 adds a number of teams and Oregon will stay in the Pac?

In that scenario, the new P12 would likely making half of the SEC/B10 (at best) and it would make it near impossible to compete on a championship level.

Ultimately, I think OSU, WSU, Cal, Arizona, ASU, Utah, and Colorado would probably be ok with it. Washingon, Oregon, (maybe Stanford) would be drawing a real short stick at that point.

 

[tykendo]

In that scenario, the new P12 would likely making half of the SEC/B10 (at best) and it would make it near impossible to compete on a championship level.

Ultimately, I think OSU, WSU, Cal, Arizona, ASU, Utah, and Colorado would probably be ok with it. Washingon, Oregon, (maybe Stanford) would be drawing a real short stick at that point.

Oregon has it's biggest booster ,Phil Knight, still around. They will be fine, and contend because of his passion for them to do so. The others are on their own.

 

[Tince]

Oregon has it's biggest booster ,Phil Knight, still around. They will be fine, and contend because of his passion for them to do so. The others are on their own.

I agree that Oregon will be fine, but an extra $50m in the football budget of Ohio St, Michigan, USC, Bama, LSU, etc will always allow them to outbid for elite coaches, additional support staff, facilities, etc. Sure, Phil could subsidize some of those disadvantages, but the ideal play for Oregon, Washington, and Stanford would be to jump ship. From there, Oregon could use Phil as an advantage, not a way to catch up.

 

[wizenheimer]

Oregon has it's biggest booster ,Phil Knight, still around. They will be fine, and contend because of his passion for them to do so. The others are on their own.

I've been told that PK is not interested in, or intending to contribute very much to NIL, especially over the next few years. He thinks it will be a bottomless pit and that insane excesses will be common for 3-4 years. He's still willing to contribute to UofO athletic programs...things that benefit all the athletes. But he's not willing to pay off individual recruits

he probably knows full well that the UofO simply can't compete with the donor bases of schools like Texas, Texas A&M, Ohio State, Penn State, Notre Dame etc. And Eugene as an NIL media market has no hope against LA, Dallas, Miami, etc. The Los Angeles metro area has more than 3 times as many people as the entire state of Oregon. PK would be stupid to try and equalize those imbalances with his own cash...and he's not stupid

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Oregon needs to stay in the Pac 10/12 for all sports except football. It's actually a great conference for all other sports.

In football, the Ducks need to go semi-independent.

This is about money.

Ducks need to negotiate their own TV schedule for their 6 home games a year.

Play the regular Pac 10/12 schedule but the home games are all at night.

Call it DUCKS AFTER DARK!

The Ducks will get a better TV contract on their own than they would with the rest of the conference.

Visiting teams would get more money from the Ducks than they would playing at a different Pac 10/12 team.

Right now Pac 12 teams each get about $33mil a year. Or $3.7 mill per Pac 10/12 game.

The Ducks, with a package of guaranteed Nike ad buys, could get a TV package of $50mil a year just for their 5 Pac 10/12 home games. Or $10 mil a game. They give the visiting team $2 mil, and keep $8mil per game for themselves.

 

[MickZagger]

Oregon needs to stay in the Pac 10/12 for all sports except football. It's actually a great conference for all other sports.

In football, the Ducks need to go semi-independent.

This is about money.

Ducks need to negotiate their own TV schedule for their 6 home games a year.

Play the regular Pac 10/12 schedule but the home games are all at night.

Call it DUCKS AFTER DARK!

The Ducks will get a better TV contract on their own than they would with the rest of the conference.

Visiting teams would get more money from the Ducks than they would playing at a different Pac 10/12 team.

Right now Pac 12 teams each get about $33mil a year. Or $3.7 mill per Pac 10/12 game.

The Ducks, with a package of guaranteed Nike ad buys, could get a TV package of $50mil a year just for their 5 Pac 10/12 home games. Or $10 mil a game. They give the visiting team $2 mil, and keep $8mil per game for themselves.

Oh that’s hogwash!

 

[Tince]

Oregon needs to stay in the Pac 10/12 for all sports except football. It's actually a great conference for all other sports.

In football, the Ducks need to go semi-independent.

This is about money.

Ducks need to negotiate their own TV schedule for their 6 home games a year.

Play the regular Pac 10/12 schedule but the home games are all at night.

Call it DUCKS AFTER DARK!

The Ducks will get a better TV contract on their own than they would with the rest of the conference.

Visiting teams would get more money from the Ducks than they would playing at a different Pac 10/12 team.

Right now Pac 12 teams each get about $33mil a year. Or $3.7 mill per Pac 10/12 game.

The Ducks, with a package of guaranteed Nike ad buys, could get a TV package of $50mil a year just for their 5 Pac 10/12 home games. Or $10 mil a game. They give the visiting team $2 mil, and keep $8mil per game for themselves.

I don't think the Ducks would get the type of money (and opponents) required to get a successful TV deal for both sides. The Big10 has already determined bringing them in now would actually hurt the bottom line, not help them. This is an SEC/Big10 or be 2nd tier type situation I'm afraid.

I agree with you that staying in the Pac12 makes the most sense for the non-revenue generating sports, but I'm not sure if that's going to be on the table.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I agree with you that staying in the Pac12 makes the most sense for the non-revenue generating sports, but I'm not sure if that's going to be on the table.

Ducks are in a position to make their own table.

They need a separate TV deal if they are going to remain in the Pac 12.

 

[Tince]

Ducks are in a position to make their own table.

They need a separate TV deal if they are going to remain in the Pac 12.

I 100% agree with the second part.

I 100% disagree with the first part. I wish the Ducks were in a much stronger negotiating position than they are. They would be lucky to get into the Big10 with a discounted share at this point.

 

[wizenheimer]

I don't think the Ducks would get the type of money (and opponents) required to get a successful TV deal for both sides. The Big10 has already determined bringing them in now would actually hurt the bottom line, not help them.

I don't think that's true. Fucking Canzano put that shit out there early and it was based upon old numbers and bad assumptions

Ducks have worked hard for 2 decades building their brand. The results are they have a huge national fan-base. 7th according to that and 2.36M more than the average Big-10 team. They ranked 10th nationally last season in viewership and would have ranked 5th in the Big-10. They can carry their own water and Fox sports knows that. Which is why Fox has been pushing for Oregon--->Big-10

more than that though is Oregon's branding has made them the most popular brand among 18-30 year olds, which is the most desired demographic for advertisers.

what the Big-10 has determined is that Stanford and Washington would hurt the bottom line, not Oregon. But those two schools are in large media markets and are premier research institutions, which appeals to Big-10 presidents. The Networks want Oregon, and Big-10 athletic departments do as well because they know the Ducks will at worst be revenue-neutral. Oregon has been the biggest revenue driver for the Pac-12 over the last 15 years

 

[Tince]

I don't think that's true. Fucking Canzano put that shit out there early and it was based upon old numbers and bad assumptions

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Ducks have worked hard for 2 decades building their brand. The results are they have a huge national fan-base. 7th according to that and 2.36M more than the average Big-10 team. They ranked 10th nationally last season in viewership and would have ranked 5th in the Big-10. They can carry their own water and Fox sports knows that. Which is why Fox has been pushing for Oregon--->Big-10

more than that though is Oregon's branding has made them the most popular brand among 18-30 year olds, which is the most desired demographic for advertisers.

what the Big-10 has determined is that Stanford and Washington would hurt the bottom line, not Oregon. But those two schools are in large media markets and are premier research institutions, which appeals to Big-10 presidents. The Networks want Oregon, and Big-10 athletic departments do as well because they know the Ducks will at worst be revenue-neutral. Oregon has been the biggest revenue driver for the Pac-12 over the last 15 years

If the BigTen wanted Oregon, then why haven't they offered them a spot? Oregon would take a full share in 0.01 seconds. They don't have to offer them a spot with anyone else. They coud've offered them a spot instead of UCLA (much lower on the graphics you provided), but they didn't. Not to mention these graphics are 3 snap shots in time measuring variables that are highly correlated to winning. If Oregon wasn't winning, they would get far less media attention, time slots, etc.

I agree Oregon is a top 25 brand. If college football did a draft where only 40 school were allowed in the two big mega-conferences, Oregon gets in EASILY. However, that's now how this is shaping up. Teams like Minnesota, Northwestern, Vandy, and Missouri are benefiting from their past relationship.

If Oregon is a top 7-10 brand, as you suggest in these graphics, I want to know your thoughts on why the Big10 and SEC are fighting to throw more than a full share at them? Do you think they'll end up making as much on their next TV deal as Minnesota and Missouri? I don't.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Natebishop3]

I really think if we hadn't lost all our receivers we could have beaten Ohio State that year.

 

[santeesioux]

 

[ehizzy3]

Spencer Webbs gf is pregnant with his child

 

[Hoopguru]

Ducks about to take a "Midnight Train to Georgia" oooh oooh oooh ooh
Ducks 21
Dixie Dawgs 38

 

[MickZagger]

This always gets me pumped up for a new season

 

[tykendo]

The College Football Experts that have been on Chad & Dwight's Show make it sound like Ducks shouldn't even make the trip. I say BUNK. Go kick their ass Ducks.

 

[Hoopguru]

The College Football Experts that have been on Chad & Dwight's Show make it sound like Ducks shouldn't even make the trip. I say BUNK. Go kick their ass Ducks.

Shock and awe with unconventional tricky offense, and a defense thats been pumped up by Guru Lanning.

 

[Hoopguru]

12 team CFP!

 

[STOMP]

Ducks land moster DT A'mauri Washington out of Arizona. Very very happy about this add

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2023/a-mauri-washington-277659



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[wizenheimer]

Ducks land moster DT A'mauri Washington out of Arizona. Very very happy about this add

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2023/a-mauri-washington-277659



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the timing is more of a surprise than the commitment.

for an untested coaching staff, they are recruiting extremely well. If the Ducks have a strong season they might close strong on NLI day in December (right now, I'm hoping they don't go 1-2 in the OOC schedule)

the one area of concern right now is O-Line recruiting. Klemm hasn't had a recruiting win since Conerly in the last cycle

 

[MickZagger]

the timing is more of a surprise than the commitment.

for an untested coaching staff, they are recruiting extremely well. If the Ducks have a strong season they might close strong on NLI day in December (right now, I'm hoping they don't go 1-2 in the OOC schedule)

the one area of concern right now is O-Line recruiting. Klemm hasn't had a recruiting win since Conerly in the last cycle

We have always seemed to do well with lightly regarded O lineman