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<<<< Noah Vonieh has met with the Magic, 76ers, Bucks, Pistons, Kings, Blazers, Suns and Timberwolves. >>>>>>

Fwiw, Vonieh will go top-5/6.

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Looks like he has huge hands as well . . . I wonder what we would have to give up for this kid?
 
We need someone with around Nic's size. If we're serious about contending, we have to beat OKC to get to the finals. Need as many able bodies to throw at KD as possible. Kawhi's emergence makes this kid more appealing
 
Haven't seen him play but he's a top 10 pick, would take at least Barton or T-Rob to get such pick.
If we trade into the draft, I would rather get to 20 where there are players I like, or trade something minimal for a 2nd rounder.
 
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#1 rebounder among our top-100 prospects at nearly 15 rebounds per-40 minutes.

With his 7-4 wingspan and terrific 242 pound frame, Vonleh has the body, length and intensity-level needed to compete on the interior in the NBA. He shows some ability to score both inside and out, flashing hook shots over either shoulder and range out to the 3-point line, but does not have the skill-level or aggressiveness needed to be a consistent scorer at the college level yet.

More details on the youtube page.
 
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SpamKing said:
Looks like he has huge hands as well . . . I wonder what we would have to give up for this kid?
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Noah Vonleh's hands are 11.75 inches - the second-largest in NBA combine history. He first palmed a basketball at "six or seven years old."
 
Blazer4ever said:
Haven't seen him play but he's a top 10 pick, would take at least Barton or T-Rob to get such pick.
If we trade into the draft, I would rather get to 20 where there are players I like, or trade something minimal for a 2nd rounder.
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I'm sorry, just so I understand, you think Barton or T-Rob would get us into the top 10 of this draft?
 
I think T-Rob is already better and will probably always be better than this guy with the big hands. Wouldn't trade Barton for him either.
 
Blazer4ever said:
I think T-Rob is already better and will probably always be better than this guy with the big hands. Wouldn't trade Barton for him either.
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Well you're in luck then because other teams would laugh if Olshey offered either for a top 10 pick
 
You'd probably need to give up a starter to get into the top 6 in this draft.
 
Id give up CJ, Leonard, Barton/Crabbe and Wrights expiring. that might get us a pick around the 10 range. Then draft this kid or Saric.
 
This guy is a HUGE project. Yep, he measures out well and is a great rebounder, but he's years away from being a solid rotation player. Is that what we need right now - another project? Would he even get enough minutes here to develop? He won't even be 19 until two months after the draft. I think he's a much better fit on a team that is in total rebuilding mode, will give him the minutes he needs to develop and have the patience to allow it to happen. Great upside, but very young and VERY raw.

BNM
 
Scalma said:
Id give up CJ, Leonard, Barton/Crabbe and Wrights expiring. that might get us a pick around the 10 range. Then draft this kid or Saric.
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I'd like to keep both Barton & Crabbe (and of course Robinson!), but if we can package anyone else on the bench to get into the draft that'd be awesome. And if push came to shove, I'd include Barton OR Crabbe depending on what pick we were getting.
 
The draft is a crapshoot and we've got half a roster of projects now. We need 2 vets on the bench.
 
Blazinaway said:
no offense intended but U R nuts
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T-Rob was a higher pick than this guy will probably be and the only reason we talk about him is this report, not because he's a can't miss talent.
I think he'd be about the same as Festus Ezeli and while I love Festus, he was picked 30 and I wouldn't trade T-Rob for him.
 
Some of you have little sense what it would take to get into this lottery. Table scraps aren't going to get it done. This draft has been touted as one of the best drafts in the last 20 years. Whether you think picks are valuable or not, other teams view them as such
 
Blazer4ever said:
Haven't seen him play but he's a top 10 pick, would take at least Barton or T-Rob to get such pick.
If we trade into the draft, I would rather get to 20 where there are players I like, or trade something minimal for a 2nd rounder.
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Lol it would take a lot more than Barton or Trob to get this guy , he's a top 5. Would have to be some one in the s5, and even then it's unlikely unless it's Lillard or Aldridge, maybe Batum.

I wish you were the gm of the lakers lol
 
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Mediocre Man said:
Some of you have little sense what it would take to get into this lottery. Table scraps aren't going to get it done. This draft has been touted as one of the best drafts in the last 20 years. Whether you think picks are valuable or not, other teams view them as such
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I think you can throw in CJ and it STILL doesn't get it done
 
Mediocre Man said:
Some of you have little sense what it would take to get into this lottery. Table scraps aren't going to get it done. This draft has been touted as one of the best drafts in the last 20 years. Whether you think picks are valuable or not, other teams view them as such
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maybe a year ago it was but I feel like the general consensus is no longer that. A lot of good prospects, good depth but there aren't any franchise players in this class. The Wiggins hype train is ridiculous. Parker is the only one that could possibly get a max contract one day. Thats my opinion at least.
 
Scalma said:
maybe a year ago it was but I feel like the general consensus is no longer that. A lot of good prospects, good depth but there aren't any franchise players in this class. The Wiggins hype train is ridiculous. Parker is the only one that could possibly get a max contract one day. Thats my opinion at least.
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Yeah, this seems to happen a lot, and why it's a good thing these guys are required to go to college for a year before they are eligible for the draft. A lot of guys get REALLY hyped at an early age through AAU ball and the camps - guys like O.J. Mayo, Shabazz Muhammad, Josh Selby, Harrison Barnes, Austin Rivers, Brandon Jennings, Bill Walker, etc. are all supposed to be the next sure thing. Then they play a year of college ball (or overseas) and suddenly they aren't such hot shit anymore. Hell, Will Barton was ranked as the 9th best prospect in his high school senior year, and after two years at a top program, he fell all the way to 40th in the draft.

Don't get me wrong, some of those guys are, or may someday be, decent pros, but none are the next LeBron/Jordan/Magic, etc.

This class seems to be deep in good players - solid starters, but in terms of superstars, it's not looking all that hot anymore. Certainly not worth blowing up a young 54-win team over.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Yeah, this seems to happen a lot, and why it's a good thing these guys are required to go to college for a year before they are eligible for the draft. A lot of guys get REALLY hyped at an early age through AAU ball and the camps - guys like O.J. Mayo, Shabazz Muhammad, Josh Selby, Harrison Barnes, Austin Rivers, Brandon Jennings, Bill Walker, etc. are all supposed to be the next sure thing. Then they play a year of college ball (or overseas) and suddenly they aren't such hot shit anymore. Hell, Will Barton was ranked as the 9th best prospect in his high school senior year, and after two years at a top program, he fell all the way to 40th in the draft.

Don't get me wrong, some of those guys are, or may someday be, decent pros, but none are the next LeBron/Jordan/Magic, etc.

This class seems to be deep in good players - solid starters, but in terms of superstars, it's not looking all that hot anymore. Certainly not worth blowing up a young 54-win team over.

BNM
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agreed. Although Saric sure would look nice in Rip City. Same with Vonieh. Oh well. Maybe Olshey will get one of them next year in a trade lolz
 
Blazinaway said:
no offense intended but U R nuts
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Why? OK, the "will probably always be better" may (or may not) be a stretch. But that's the thing. This guy is all about upside. Right now, he has one elite skill (rebounding) and good measurements. He's very raw offensively, terrible passer/turnover machine, doesn't block many shots given his superior physical tools, etc.

Rebounding is one skill that seems to correlate well between the college and pros. So, unless the guy develops some of his other skills (and he very well might - that's the point, you just don't know), he could end up being a one-dimensional role player. Remember the Bismack Biyombo hype? People were talking about him like he was going to be the next Hakeem, but after 3 seasons in the NBA, he's still a one trick pony. He blocks shots, but his scoring average started low (5.2 ppg) and has gone down every year.

So, who knows how good Vonieh will be? No one. And that's the problem. I'd sure like to see this guy stay in college one more year to see if he can develop any additional skills. The problem is, there is money to be made, and someone will take the risk and make him a top 10 pick. That makes it hard to walk away from that guaranteed money and go back to school - even if it's what would most likely be best in the long run.

BTW, I'm not specifically comparing Vonieh to Biyombo (or any of the other prospects I mentioned in my other post). Just pointing out when you draft an 18-year old kid based on potential, it's a huge gamble - VERY high risk with the potential for high reward. This is the kind of pick that will make, or break, some GM's career.

BNM
 
Scalma said:
agreed. Although Saric sure would look nice in Rip City. Same with Vonieh. Oh well. Maybe Olshey will get one of them next year in a trade lolz
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Yeah, it's always nice to add some young talent and fresh legs, but what would we have to give up to get it? I do like Olshey's buy low strategy though. Even if Thomas Robinson doesn't live up to his draft position and pre-draft hype, we're not the ones who wasted a top 5 pick on him. We basically got him for nothing.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
This guy is a HUGE project. Yep, he measures out well and is a great rebounder, but he's years away from being a solid rotation player. Is that what we need right now - another project? Would he even get enough minutes here to develop? He won't even be 19 until two months after the draft. I think he's a much better fit on a team that is in total rebuilding mode, will give him the minutes he needs to develop and have the patience to allow it to happen. Great upside, but very young and VERY raw.

BNM
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With the current CBA long term projects are worth far less. By the time he's ready to reach his potential, and that's a big if of ever happening, he will be done with his rookie contract. So his team will have to pay him a max level contract. The biggest advantage of draft picks is they are on cheap deals and allow a team to have cap room for additional veteran players. Drafting project players negates that advantage.
 
If we are going up that far, why don't we just get Aaron Gordon. He will be about 6-8 and his upside is bigger than these guys. He could be Blake Griffin.
 
The thing that makes him really interesting is his combination of rebounding, range and "has the clutch gene" like Dame.
 
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