Dump Lopez, sign Asik?!?

[Minstrel]

I wouldn't mind trading Kaman for Asik, I don't care what you guys say.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I wouldn't mind trading Kaman for Asik, I don't care what you guys say.

Oh you do care really.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Is there a way to hide this thread from my list so I don't have to look at it any more?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Is there a way to hide this thread from my list so I don't have to look at it any more?

I can change the title to Cute Cat Pics!

 

[BigGameDamian]

I wouldn't mind trading Kaman for Asik, I don't care what you guys say.

Ya like thats going to happen.

 

[RoyToy]

Same $ contract and I'd probably take Asik

Dwight Howard abused Robin Lopez in the playoffs

When Houston switched Asik to Aldridge that really changed the series. Asik did a pretty good job on Aldridge.

 

[magnifier661]

Same $ contract and I'd probably take Asik

Dwight Howard abused Robin Lopez in the playoffs

When Houston switched Asik to Aldridge that really changed the series. Asik did a pretty good job on Aldridge.

Is that just an observation or do you have the stats to back it up? I saw it much differently, so I'm curious how you came up with that conclusion?

Okay, I looked up the stats regarding Lopez vs. Houston. This isn't advanced, just the actual performance.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3447/robin-lopez

The first game he definitely stunk it up: 6 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block 28% from the field. But from that point, he really got into his groove.

Game 2: 6 points, 10 rebounds, 60% FG, 3 blocks
Game 3: 11 points, 8 rebounds, 50% FG, 3 blocks
Game 4: 6 points, 11 rebounds, 100% FG, 1 block
Game 5: 17 points, 8 rebounds, 50% FG, 4 blocks
Game 6: 12 points, 7 rebounds, 50% FG, 4 blocks

Now you said Asik did a good job

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3414/omer-asik

There was only 1 game where I would consider Asik out performed Lopez and that was game 5. Every other game, he was not even close

 

[PtldPlatypus]

There was only 1 game where I would consider Asik out performed Lopez and that was game 5. Every other game, he was not even close

I think it's more about defense than offense. Howard lit Lopez up; Asik slowed Aldridge down. If you didn't see that, then I think you and I were watching different series'.

 

[magnifier661]

I think it's more about defense than offense. Howard lit Lopez up; Asik slowed Aldridge down. If you didn't see that, then I think you and I were watching different series'.

Slowing him down on 2 of the 6 games isn't what I consider "Stellar". And it wasn't just Asik on Aldridge bro... Howard and Asik were on Aldridge.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Slowing him down on 2 of the 6 games isn't what I consider "Stellar". And it wasn't just Asik on Aldridge bro... Howard and Asik were on Aldridge.

Who said "stellar"? Nobody. What was said was "pretty good", which he was. Howard was largely ineffective on Aldridge too, and we all know Jones was. Asik did enough defensively to make a difference, to affect the series positively. By comparison, Lopez never slowed Howard a bit.

Now as far as team defense, help defense, positioning, etc. are concerned, Lopez was probably superior. And he didn't have an all-NBA defender helping him like Asik did. But lets not be myopic about the disparity between the two when it comes to one-on-one.

 

[RR7]

Is that just an observation or do you have the stats to back it up? I saw it much differently, so I'm curious how you came up with that conclusion?

Okay, I looked up the stats regarding Lopez vs. Houston. This isn't advanced, just the actual performance.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3447/robin-lopez

The first game he definitely stunk it up: 6 points, 8 rebounds, 1 block 28% from the field. But from that point, he really got into his groove.

Game 2: 6 points, 10 rebounds, 60% FG, 3 blocks
Game 3: 11 points, 8 rebounds, 50% FG, 3 blocks
Game 4: 6 points, 11 rebounds, 100% FG, 1 block
Game 5: 17 points, 8 rebounds, 50% FG, 4 blocks
Game 6: 12 points, 7 rebounds, 50% FG, 4 blocks

Now you said Asik did a good job

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3414/omer-asik

There was only 1 game where I would consider Asik out performed Lopez and that was game 5. Every other game, he was not even close

I don't think he was trying to compare offensive production in the playoffs of Robin and Asik, though.

 

[RoyToy]

Mags being Mags ITT

Aldridge went from dominating to shooting 40% over the next 4 games, with game 4 being his only real good game after games 1 and 2. Games 3/5/6 he shot under 40%, otherwise known as James Harden territory.

Asik made it much tougher on him and that's not really debatable. Mags gonna be Mags, though.

Dwight Howard otoh put up monster numbers over the 6 games. Again, not debatable.

It continues to amaze me how things that are obvious continue to be argued against on this forum. Watch the game and learn the facts.

 

[magnifier661]

Who said "stellar"? Nobody. What was said was "pretty good", which he was. Howard was largely ineffective on Aldridge too, and we all know Jones was. Asik did enough defensively to make a difference, to affect the series positively. By comparison, Lopez never slowed Howard a bit.

Now as far as team defense, help defense, positioning, etc. are concerned, Lopez was probably superior. And he didn't have an all-NBA defender helping him like Asik did. But lets not be myopic about the disparity between the two when it comes to one-on-one.

Are we just doing a hypothetical debate or are you really agreeing that getting asik over Lopez is a good idea?

 

[Minstrel]

Oh you do care really.

I post my opinions because I have nothing better to do while waiting for the pheasant to cook for my extravagant dinner parties, not for the approval of you no-lifers who browse message boards.

 

[BBert]

So...it is opined that Asik defended Aldridge better than Lopez defended Dwight Howard? Even if assumed to be true, it does not prove that Asik would therefore defend Howard better than Lopez defended Howard, or more to the point, that the Blazers would be better with Asik than Lopez. So I guess I don't know what the point really is.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Are we just doing a hypothetical debate or are you really agreeing that getting asik over Lopez is a good idea?

Getting Asik in place of Lopez would not be a good idea, for many reasons.

However, it would be generally considered inaccurate to suggest that Lopez was Asik's equal defensively in the PDX-HOU series.

I don't see those positions as incompatible.

 

[BBert]

Getting Asik in place of Lopez would not be a good idea, for many reasons.

For me those reasons start with (1) attitude, (2) chemistry, (3) free throw shooting, (4) offense, (5) personality, (6) hairdo. I mean, seriously, Asik has bad hair man!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

For me those reasons start with (1) attitude, (2) chemistry, (3) free throw shooting, (4) offense, (5) personality, (6) hairdo. I mean, seriously, Asik has bad hair man!

There you go. Can't argue with any of that.

 

[magnifier661]

Getting Asik in place of Lopez would not be a good idea, for many reasons.

However, it would be generally considered inaccurate to suggest that Lopez was Asik's equal defensively in the PDX-HOU series.

I don't see those positions as incompatible.

Then I would only suggest in the manner I replied to Roytoy, since he was advocating the trade saying that asik was a better contributor than Lopez if the shoe was on the other foot. I completely disagree with that concept. And I also disagree that defensively, asik would be a better fit to play beside Aldridge.

Lopez has proven it works... Asik has proven he whined and sulked.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

This article is so bad, the name Ryan should drop out of fashion like Adolph. It's a crime against humanity.

 

[jlprk]

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The best laptop I found for its price is the one with the SSD drive, but I'm thinking about it.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Mags being Mags ITT

Aldridge went from dominating to shooting 40% over the next 4 games, with game 4 being his only real good game after games 1 and 2. Games 3/5/6 he shot under 40%, otherwise known as James Harden territory.

Asik made it much tougher on him and that's not really debatable. Mags gonna be Mags, though.

Dwight Howard otoh put up monster numbers over the 6 games. Again, not debatable.

It continues to amaze me how things that are obvious continue to be argued against on this forum. Watch the game and learn the facts.

RoyToy being RoyToy ITT

Howard averaged 26.0ppg during the series, that's very good, but I'd hardly call it putting up "monster numbers". The guy is an 8-time All Star, so the fact that he put up All Star like numbers shouldn't come as a surprise - especially when Stotts elected not to double team him, and also elected to employ the Hack-a-Howard strategy that gave him several additional intentional FTA per game. The guy only cracked 30 points once in a six game series where his team scored => 120 three times. Very good, but not a performance for the ages. Oh BTW, his team lost the series in six games in spite of having HCA. Once again, very good but it's not like he put his team on his back and carried them to victory.

I think the fact that he put up 26.0ppg is more of a reflection of Stotts' defensive strategy than Lopez' deficiencies. I don't find it at all surprising that a 28-old, 8-time All Star was able to average 26.0ppg when he was not constantly doubled and was gifted several FTs per game as the result of intentional fouls.

Yes, putting Asik on Aldridge changed the series, but not the outcome. It made scoring more difficult at both ends of the court. Yes, Aldridge's shooting percentage went down, but playing Asik big minutes also hurt Houston's scoring. And, it wasn't just Asik on Aldridge. After the first two games, Aldridge faced constant double teams. That made it harder for him to score, but also created wide open looks for his teammates. In games 3-6, Lillard, Mathews and Batum all saw their scoring go up dramatically because they were getting wide open looks on the perimeter due to the fact that Aldridge was getting doubled every time he touched the ball. Did Asik do a decent job on Aldridge? Sure, but he didn't do it alone (unlike Lopez on Howard). He had a lot of help, and all that helping created easy, uncontested scoring opportunities for Aldridge's teammates.

Is Asik a better defensive center than Lopez? Probably, although all he really showed is that he's better at guarding an All Star power forward (with a whole lot of help defense) than Lopez is at guarding an All Star center (1-on-1). But, his better defense hardly makes up for his other inadequacies. The guy is an offensive zero. When McHale decided to start Asik on Aldridge, Houston was basically playing 4-on-5 on offense. Yes, defense is important, but so is the ability to score the ball. Lopez isn't a scoring stud, but he's MUCH better than Asik.

"It continues to amaze me how things that are obvious continue to be argued against on this forum. Watch the game and learn the facts."

On this I agree 100%. Watch the games, don't just look at the box scores. If you watched the games, you surely noticed that Asik had help every time Aldridge got the ball anywhere near the basket and Lopez was left alone on an island to defend Howard 1-on-1 in the low post.

Bottom Line: Would I take Asik over Lopez for the same $ and same length of contract? Fuck no, and I bet there isn't a single GM in the league that would. Asik is three years older than Lopez and a worse all around player. He can't score and he can't shoot FTs, and at his age, there isn't a whole lot of upside. He is what he is, a mediocre journeyman who is best suited to being a back up center. The one year in his career where he was a starter, his team won 45 games. Exchanging Lopez for Asik would be a step backwards toward mediocrity, not a step forward toward to winning a franchise record number of games.

 

[BBert]

Great post, Boob.

You neglected one fact though: Lopez wins the hair duel HANDS DOWN!

 

[Boob-No-More]

Great post, Boob.

You neglected one fact though: Lopez wins the hair duel HANDS DOWN!

Yes, he does. Much better marketing potential. I can't see anyone, ever, wanting an Asik doll or tee shirt.

 

[RoyToy]

Lol at acting like Howard didn't have a monster series

His regular season averages - 18/12/2/59%

Playoff averages - 26/14/3/54%

Not only did his playoff numbers drastically increase over his regular season averages, he put up the best PER of his playoff career. It was arguably the best basketball he's ever played. You can talk 8-time all-star all you want and that it's supposedly expected from him. The numbers say you're wrong and that he had a monster series for his standards.

I see you think the total outcome of the series somehow means something, and that Houston losing is supposed to be Howard's fault or it should be used against him. Last I checked he was by far the best player for Houston, and probably the best player in the series. It was Harden that didn't show up for them, so really that's just a dumb argument to make. Howard did his part and more.

Stotts covered him 1 on 1 because Howard doesn't have the reputation of being a great low post scorer and he didn't want to give Houston wide open 3's by doubling him. Well guess what. When he plays against Robin Lopez he is a great low post scorer because Robin Lopez can't move his feet. He absolutely abused him.

Please...please don't act like putting Asik on Aldridge hurt the Rockets. Don't even start to make that argument. First of all they were 2-2 with Asik on Aldridge, 0-2 without. Second, Aldridge was considerably far less effective the rest of the series compared to the first two games of abusing Terrence Jones. Putting Asik on Aldridge was a great move by McHale that worked, but the Blazers had a 2-0 lead in the series before it happened.

Neither offense had trouble scoring in the series, and the Rockets were often ahead as well. Asik didn't hurt their offense. At least not enough that it should be used in an argument.

 

[RoyToy]

The Rockets averaged 108 points per game in the regular season

In the 4 games Asik started they averaged 112.

Asik hurt their offense :MARIS61::MARIS61:

 

[RoyToy]

Oh and btw

During the regular season Howard averaged 26/14 against the Blazers in 4 games.

So in 10 games last season he averaged 26/14 against the Blazers.

The numbers and eye test say Howard owns Robin Lopez, yet I'm sure there are some that will continue to argue against this obvious fact.

 

[PDXFonz]

The defender is the only reason a players shooting % would drop, real talk.

 

[BBert]

Everyone knows Dwight Howard is better than Robin Lopez. I didn't think that was in doubt. What is in doubt, and is to me doubtful, is that Asik would be a better fit on the Blazers than Lopez. I vote we keep Robin.

 

[Strenuus]

... wth is Roytoy babbling about? None of this has anything to do with Steve Blake. He's going against his word.