Dump Vince in Utah

[Universe]

Utah is really the only playoff team in the West in need of that big time scoring shooting gaurd. They will have a nice starting five with him there and we will get the relief from his stupid salary.

New Jersey gets:
Matt Harpring
Morris Almond
Jason Hart
Jarron Collins
Kyrylo Fesenko

Utah gets:
Vince Carter
Malik Allen

Throw in a pick or even Millsap since he is in his rookie contract but worse comes to worse, I believe this trade is always availible.

 

[Belarus]

Why would Utah want Carter? They have Korver. Honestly, I can't see any team taking on Carter's contract unless if it is a swap of the same bad one.

 

[Joey FistPump]

How bout Vince and Jason Collins for Stephon Marbury and a first?

Yeah I know Marbury is awful...and selfish and way overpaid...however he only has one year left on his contract and would basically be a one season rental until his contract came up and we'd get a decent first.

 

[Universe]

Carter may have degressed but there is a difference between him and Kyle and you'll see that come playoff time.

 

[Deeznets]

Utah giving up Milsap for Carter? Never happen.

 

[NJNetz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 30 2008, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter may have degressed but there is a difference between him and Kyle and you'll see that come playoff time.</div>


Like we did last season?

 

[Universe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Jan 30 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 30 2008, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter may have degressed but there is a difference between him and Kyle and you'll see that come playoff time.</div>


Like we did last season?
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Korver didn't make the post season..

 

[soul driver]

dude, how are fans gonna react with TWO collins on our team?

 

[NJNetz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 30 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Jan 30 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 30 2008, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter may have degressed but there is a difference between him and Kyle and you'll see that come playoff time.</div>


Like we did last season?
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Korver didn't make the post season..
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I thought you were talking about Carter...

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 30 2008, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How bout Vince and Jason Collins for Stephon Marbury and a first?

Yeah I know Marbury is awful...and selfish and way overpaid...however he only has one year left on his contract and would basically be a one season rental until his contract came up and we'd get a decent first.</div>

You know that's crazy enough it just might work. There have been rumors of Vince being wanted by the Knicks, and it would certainly give Isiah a 'name' player to put in the garden. Now while I'd hope to get players and picks for Vince Carter, the deamnd for him is low, and as you said, that's going to turn into a pretty decent first.

 

[Universe]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Jan 30 2008, 09:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 30 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Jan 30 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 30 2008, 09:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter may have degressed but there is a difference between him and Kyle and you'll see that come playoff time.</div>


Like we did last season?
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Korver didn't make the post season..
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I thought you were talking about Carter...
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No I was talking about Korver and how they react to him being so helpfull even though he's just a Nachbar clone, except uglier.

 

[Black Republican]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jan 30 2008, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dude, how are fans gonna react with TWO collins on our team?

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LMAO,exactly.

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 30 2008, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 30 2008, 09:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How bout Vince and Jason Collins for Stephon Marbury and a first?

Yeah I know Marbury is awful...and selfish and way overpaid...however he only has one year left on his contract and would basically be a one season rental until his contract came up and we'd get a decent first.</div>

You know that's crazy enough it just might work. There have been rumors of Vince being wanted by the Knicks, and it would certainly give Isiah a 'name' player to put in the garden. Now while I'd hope to get players and picks for Vince Carter, the deamnd for him is low, and as you said, that's going to turn into a pretty decent first.
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It is crazy but I love the idea of 1) getting rid of Collins 2) getting rid of Carter's contract and 3) getting a legit first rounder.

Marbury has been an utter distraction for New York this season and I think Zeke would give up his first to get his superstar and get rid of starbury.

 

[killa kadafi191]

Carter is not built to handle a coach like Sloan

 

[Jizzy]

why did we resign his ass?

 

[User01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jan 30 2008, 09:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dude, how are fans gonna react with TWO collins on our team?

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wonder twin powers, activate!

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Jan 30 2008, 09:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter is not built to handle a coach like Sloan</div>

He would make that team so good, the winning would solve all those problems.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Deeznets @ Jan 30 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Utah giving up Milsap for Carter? Never happen.</div>

If they had any balls they would do that.

Utah is the only team in the NBA that would become a championship contender by adding Vince Carter.

 

[NJNetz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 30 2008, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Deeznets @ Jan 30 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Utah giving up Milsap for Carter? Never happen.</div>

If they had any balls they would do that.

Utah is the only team in the NBA that would become a championship contender by adding Vince Carter.
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How so?

 

[Chutney]

New Orleans could use him. Although I don't think their owner would be willing to take on his salary.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Jan 30 2008, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 30 2008, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Deeznets @ Jan 30 2008, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Utah giving up Milsap for Carter? Never happen.</div>

If they had any balls they would do that.

Utah is the only team in the NBA that would become a championship contender by adding Vince Carter.
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How so?
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Well, I touch on it a bit here. (I've been advocating Carter to Utah for quite a while.)

Utah is a perfect storm of factors that make it a perfect environment for Vince.

1. It is a very structured, offense-oriented team. Vince is at his very best running pick and roll and pick and pop. Even offensive clods like Josh Boone, Malik Allen and Mikki Moore look like stars playing with Vince. Now replace those names with Boozer and Okur. Yikes.

2. They have a strong minded coach who won't put up with Vince's bullshit. Sloan will love Carter's skillset. Carter will love Sloan's offense. On days when Carter isn't "feeling it", Sloan knows how to get him turned around quick. It won't become a Kirilenko situation because, unlike AK, Carter is made to play in Sloan's system.

3. Deron Williams. Carter doesn't have to initiate the offense. He just has to be the SG. Teams can't lag off Deron in the halfcourt like they do Kidd.

4. Shooters everywhere. You'll be amazed how much more of the time Vince is "being aggressive and attacking the rim" when the opponent has to actually guard the perimeter. His "attitude" will improve 100%. Amazing!

5. Defense is priority #2. Utah is an offensive team, and they play like it. This is a team that made Carlos Boozer a superstar. Vince is Ron Artest compared to Boozer - especially since he won't have to kill himself on the offensive end like he does with the Nets (on days he decides to try).

6. Kirilenko. Playing with one of the best help defenders in the league will do wonders for Carter's horrific perimeter D. It might even motivate him to play some.

Basically, I think Utah is not going to win the West as currently constructed. If they add Carter, I would say they have a serious, realistic chance to reach the finals.

And that is the ONLY team I would say that about. Every other team should stay far, far away from Carter and his horrible contract.

 

[NOMAM]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 30 2008, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And that is the ONLY team I would say that about. Every other team should stay far, far away from Carter and his horrible contract.</div>

Nah, I disagree with this. I think he could fit in well with more teams than the Jazz. I would add the Hornets, Magic, Suns and Raptors (lol) to name some. All have big men he could run the pick and roll/pop with and shooters to spread the floor.

 

[cpawfan]

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[King John da FiF]

Carter to Utah sounds good to me.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jan 30 2008, 11:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 30 2008, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And that is the ONLY team I would say that about. Every other team should stay far, far away from Carter and his horrible contract.</div>

Nah, I disagree with this. I think he could fit in well with more teams than the Jazz. I would add the Hornets, Magic, Suns and Raptors (lol) to name some. All have big men he could run the pick and roll/pop with and shooters to spread the floor.

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Those teams don't have gaping holes at SG.

 

[pegs]

Um...yeah, sure. As long as we get some useful players back.

Oh yeah, and I noticed Hart to NJ. That's awesome.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jan 31 2008, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Um...yeah, sure. As long as we get some useful players back.</div>

It's a pure salary dump. Something that wouldn't be necessary if the franchise wasn't run by idiots.

 

[NOMAM]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 31 2008, 12:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Those teams don't have gaping holes at SG.</div>

He would be an upgrade for the Hornets and Magic. Suns likely wouldn't be trade partners because they already have 3 big contracts in Nash, Amare, and Marion. And the Raptors... ok lets just leave it at that. But he would fit in well onto those teams.

 

[d-blockrep2]

I like ghoti's Utah idea. Utah needs help at the 2 guard position and will definately make them a well balance offense. The only thing is a VC trade to Utah should include AK47 in return. Kirelnko flourishes in the up tempo game and L frank can't make baby cry

 

[pegs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 31 2008, 12:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jan 31 2008, 12:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Um...yeah, sure. As long as we get some useful players back.</div>

It's a pure salary dump. Something that wouldn't be necessary if the franchise wasn't run by idiots.
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Think we could pry Millsap from 'em while we're at it? I mean, he is, like, an all-star!!

But hey, I'm all for a salary dump, as long as we get a pick or two back (which we could convert into useful players).

Seriously now, Brewer and Miles would be pretty cool to receive in a trade.