Durant Piece..

[Ed O]

I wasn't trying to call you out or anything, I've been wrong before too. I just think it's funny how badly people (such as yourself) missed the boat that night. It should make everyone pause before they go-off acting like they know more than the professionals.

Sometimes we DO know more than professionals, though.

See: Chris Paul.



Ed O.

 

[mook]

okay zags, I finally got around to it. Pretty tedious slogging through old threads on the old board.... lots of funny quotes posters would never want to see again. I thought my own pining for Nedzad to turn out to be a decent player (though I never got to see him play) was entertaining.

Anyways, here are a few of the many threads where I post my future Blazer hopes for LA and Batum.

LA
http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-trail-blazers/202477-looking-ahead-2006-draft.html
http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-trail-blazers/272893-gut-reaction-who-do-we-end-up.html

here's one where I grade KP's draft
http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-trail-blazers/283600-blazers-draft-day-grade.html

Batum
http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-trail-blazers/392454-looking-draft.html
http://www.basketballforum.com/port...913-if-we-luck-into-top-pick-draft-again.html
http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-trail-blazers/402875-my-first-08-mock-draft.html

here's my draft grade
http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-trail-blazers/405355-grade-blazers-draft.html

are you ready to see your new sig?

STOMP

Dang, I hate to call somebody out, but this quote from the 2006 Aldridge/Roy draft just busts me up:

Portland traded one of their only two potential stars for a non-premium pick in a weak draft. They then compounded that mistake by trading away Khryapa to move up two spots to select a player who likely would have fallen to their original pick and then passed on possibly the best talent in the draft at #7.

Overall, I can't see any grade but an F. Pretty much a clinic on how to mismanage a draft.

http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-trail-blazers/283600-blazers-draft-day-grade.html

To be fair, though, the same poster says the next day:

After sleeping on it:

I could easily have made peace with the team trading Telfair, considering that Gay fell into their laps. To also lose out on Gay for Roy still stings.

A core of Webster/Gay/Aldridge would have been similarly nice to Telfair/Webster/Aldridge as far as I'm concerned. But Roy is simply a talent downgrade in my opinion and dampens my enthusiasm.

An 'F' may have been overstating it, but I'd still give Portland a negative grade.

The Telfair line should probably tell you who it was. Seems really out of character now.

Also funny to hear how often Roy is compared to Doug Christie in that thread. Even I was doing it, and I was saying it wouldn't be so bad to have Doug Christie reincarnated! Seemed weird to see my name next to that post.

That's such a great thread, and should be required reading at every draft or trade deadline.

 

[mook]

Alas, looks like Tince beat me to it.

 

[MAS RipCity]

I rule! I actually didn't mind the LMA pick, just was so pissed we got rid of Bassy I took it out on him..I was SO wrong on Roy

 

[Minstrel]

I'm taking a beating here, which is fair considering how far off I was on that one (but also unfair, since none of my stunning successes are being quoted....!)

Anyway, one thing I'll point out is that what really caused me to fail on that draft analysis was how much I overvalued Telfair and how much I undervalued Roy...and both were caused by my putting way too much emphasis on how those players "looked" playing the game and too little on production.

So, for those of you who claim I put way too much emphasis on numbers and statistical production...it prevents big mistakes like that.

 

[Tince]

I'm taking a beating here, which is fair considering how far off I was on that one (but also unfair, since none of my stunning successes are being quoted....!)

Care to share a success that is more stunning than what you said in that thread?

 

[Minstrel]

Care to share a success that is more stunning than what you said in that thread?

Not really, no. I don't remember my stunning successes off-hand, nor am I motivated to search for any. Each poster here can decide for themselves how worthwhile my posts tend to be.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Sometimes we DO know more than professionals, though.

See: Chris Paul.



Ed O.

Nash was a professional only in that he got a paycheck for what he did. Which is like a crime when it came to draft day.

 

[MickZagger]

okay zags, I finally got around to it. Pretty tedious slogging through old threads on the old board.... lots of funny quotes posters would never want to see again. I thought my own pining for Nedzad to turn out to be a decent player (though I never got to see him play) was entertaining.

Anyways, here are a few of the many threads where I post my future Blazer hopes for LA and Batum.

LA
http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-trail-blazers/202477-looking-ahead-2006-draft.html
http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-trail-blazers/272893-gut-reaction-who-do-we-end-up.html

here's one where I grade KP's draft
http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-trail-blazers/283600-blazers-draft-day-grade.html

Batum
http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-trail-blazers/392454-looking-draft.html
http://www.basketballforum.com/port...913-if-we-luck-into-top-pick-draft-again.html
http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-trail-blazers/402875-my-first-08-mock-draft.html

here's my draft grade
http://www.basketballforum.com/portland-trail-blazers/405355-grade-blazers-draft.html

are you ready to see your new sig?

STOMP

Go ahead and give me a new sig, you were right about Aldridge, but Batum all I could find was you saying he was intriguing. I've said a ton of players are intriguing before.

Of course this has 0 to do with Blake Griffin being a better pro than Thabeet.

 

[Tince]

Not really, no. I don't remember my stunning successes off-hand, nor am I motivated to search for any. Each poster here can decide for themselves how worthwhile my posts tend to be.

Haha... I gave you a lot of cred until I read that thread. lol...

 

[mook]

Anyway, one thing I'll point out is that what really caused me to fail on that draft analysis was how much I overvalued Telfair and how much I undervalued Roy...and both were caused by my putting way too much emphasis on how those players "looked" playing the game and too little on production.

That's an interesting point, because I've often thought Webster was overvalued for the same reason. He's got that great-looking shooting form, the NBA-ready body, and that great-looking third quarter against Utah, but when you actually look at how he's compared against other high schoolers/other third year players/other starting small forwards/other three point specialists, there's nothing really special about his numbers.

(Other than the number of games started, I suppose. But I attribute that to a lack of talent ahead of him and an inability to be effective off the bench.)

Anyway, it's always tough to measure "upside". I used to love the way Sergio looked running the offense and I was certain he was destined to be our All Star point guard for years to come. That seems so long ago now.

 

[OddEnormous]

just pray the thunder doesnt win the lottery.

 

[OddEnormous]

Mas RipCity Quote: F-

 

[LittleAlex]

I don't think there is even one sure fire player in this year's draft unlike the previous two years where there were a ton of NBA level players available.

I watched Griffin play a few times and he seemed good, but he really never had much quality size to be measured against. That makes it really, really hard to take anything away from those games other then he can jump high.

 

[LameR]

I was so wrong on that draft, and I definitely admit it. I think I wanted Morrison and Thomas, not being very excited out of Roy, being a homer for Telfair, and basically ignoring Aldridge. It's why whenever a move is made now, I end up in the "well, let's what and see" mode.

As far as the argument going on in this thread, zagsfan, you were pretty annoying for at least a year referencing Morrison whenever possible, and ignoring poor play at times. I give you credit for going away from that recently, but for a while I needed to take a deep breath before reading your posts.

To the topic at hand, I think Griffin is obviously BPA. I honestly don't know who would fit best with the Thunder, as I haven't watched them play much. Westbrook-Durant-Green-Griffin-Kristic or something like that would not be bad at all. I think Griffin will be a bit like Millsap. Westbrook-Sefolosha-Durant-Green-Thabeet isn't bad either though. This is why I'm not a GM.

 

[garden of oden]

fwiw, one of my friends works for the Oklahoma Athletic Dept, specifically for the basketball team.

he said Blake Griffin measured 6ft 9.5 barefoot last summer.

 

[<-=*PdX*=->]

I don't care about Durant and the Oregonian shouldnt either...

 

[STOMP]

Go ahead and give me a new sig, you were right about Aldridge, but Batum all I could find was you saying he was intriguing. I've said a ton of players are intriguing before.

right, but in this very thread I said... "Nic I was merely very interested in as his draft profiles fit the sort of player I prefer. Outside highlights, I didn't get to see him actually play until he was a Blazer, but I was very intrigued."

check the 2nd and 3rd links I provided on Nic for further confirmation of how intrigued I felt about Portland acquiring NB. The 2nd link I said I'd like to see him hooking up with Peteri in the future as Blazers and in the 3rd I had the Blazers taking him in my mock at #13. I thought he'd be the top talent available at that spot.

Of course this has 0 to do with Blake Griffin being a better pro than Thabeet.

of course not, it's about making me slog through hundreds of past threads to counter you calling me a liar (which frankly pissed me off enough to research this). Also if you reread this thread, I never said who I thought would be the better pro between the two. I said I thought Thabeet would be a good fit on the Thunder and questioned Blake's pro potential. If come the predraft he measures out to 6'9 barefoot I'll think more of his potential then if he comes in at 6'7. At 6'9, he'll have a position that he should be able to reasonably defend. btw... I'm also very interested in Brandon Jennings as a prospect.

enjoy rocking your new sig... I combined a couple of lines in each case, but these are all your quotes

Adam is going to be superior to Bird. With his near 7'0" wing span I see no reason why he can't be a pesky defender in the mold of Tayshaun.

Aldridge is a pansy. Taking Aldridge over Morrison will be equivelant to when we took Bowie over Jordan.

If the Blazers picked Roy I would puke and then seriously question whether this franchises decision makers are on crack. Roy= Harold Miner.

STOMP

 

[Ed O]

Nash was a professional only in that he got a paycheck for what he did. Which is like a crime when it came to draft day.

Heh. Yep.

Draft day and pretty much every other day, too.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

I'm taking a beating here, which is fair considering how far off I was on that one (but also unfair, since none of my stunning successes are being quoted....!)

I think that the thread is a reminder to us all how easily we can all be wrong at any given time. No matter how consistent we are in how we analyze the game, no matter how close of attention we pay, no matter how many times we're right... we can all, occasionally, be absolutely and stunningly incorrect.

If you were wrong all of the time, or even most of the time, your draft-day position that year would not be remarkable. It's only your overall positive track record that makes it noteworthy.

Ed O.

 

[STOMP]

Go ahead and give me a new sig

STOMP

 

[STOMP]

Days later and I'm still waiting... is zags a welcher? Whats uglier then someone who welches on bets?

nope, thats pretty compared to a welcher

STOMP

 

[MickZagger]

I don't get it, I thought you were giving me a sig. You want me to put that as my avatar?

 

[MrJayremmie]

Adam is going to be superior to Bird. With his near 7'0" wing span I see no reason why he can't be a pesky defender in the mold of Tayshaun.

Aldridge is a pansy. Taking Aldridge over Morrison will be equivelant to when we took Bowie over Jordan.

If the Blazers picked Roy I would puke and then seriously question whether this franchises decision makers are on crack. Roy= Harold Miner.

I think this is what STOMP is referring to (he posted it a couple posts ago).

Anyway, I REALLY wanted Aldridge, but wanted Foye > Roy, but was still pleased with the draft. I was definitely wrong about Roy though, the guy is a top 7 player in the NBA in his 3rd year, lol. I also enjoy watching him play so much.

We will see how KPs 2008 draft worked out. Batum was an absolute steal but the jury is still out on Bayless.

 

[STOMP]

here is the sig
↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓ ↓

Adam is going to be superior to Bird. With his near 7'0" wing span I see no reason why he can't be a pesky defender in the mold of Tayshaun.

Aldridge is a pansy. Taking Aldridge over Morrison will be equivelant to when we took Bowie over Jordan.

If the Blazers picked Roy I would puke and then seriously question whether this franchises decision makers are on crack. Roy= Harold Miner.

 

[BrianFromWA]

IMHO I think Presti's going to have to face down a lot of "Draft the 'Stache"-type pressure if he's in a position to get Griffin. I personally think Thabeet would be the better pick, which is why he'd probably trade down if he got #1.

You have your SF/PF of the immediate future with Green and Durant. Drafting Griffin relegates one of he or Green to the bench, while still leaving a hole at center. I think they can afford to get Thabeet and use him like we use Oden (4-6 touches per game, if that) b/c they'd have Westbrook, Durant and Green all with the capability of scoring. Then you'd have a pretty stout defense with Westbrook, Sefalosha, Green and Thabeet all being primarily defensive-minded.

I know Griffin's the golden OK boy, and will be pretty good in the league, but for OKC? Not the best choice.

 

[BrianFromWA]

^^ Wow. Just.....wow.

Remind me not to waste STOMP's time.

 

[Nikolokolus]

IMHO I think Presti's going to have to face down a lot of "Draft the 'Stache"-type pressure if he's in a position to get Griffin. I personally think Thabeet would be the better pick, which is why he'd probably trade down if he got #1.

You have your SF/PF of the immediate future with Green and Durant. Drafting Griffin relegates one of he or Green to the bench, while still leaving a hole at center. I think they can afford to get Thabeet and use him like we use Oden (4-6 touches per game, if that) b/c they'd have Westbrook, Durant and Green all with the capability of scoring. Then you'd have a pretty stout defense with Westbrook, Sefalosha, Green and Thabeet all being primarily defensive-minded.

I know Griffin's the golden OK boy, and will be pretty good in the league, but for OKC? Not the best choice.

Should the Thunder get the overall number 1 pick, don't be shocked if they move Green (a more natural small forward) and package him with some picks/players (they've got plenty of firsts to spare) and try to get a quality NBA big with experience, like Tyson Chandler again or someone in his mold. Griffin is by far the only sure thing in that I've seen in this year's draft (outside of Rubio) -- not necessarily 'all-star sure thing', but certainly capable of being a very high quality starter.

I just don't see Thabeet as being anything other than shot blocking specialist with a poor motor and a poorer set of offensive skills

 

[mook]

^^ Wow. Just.....wow.

Remind me not to waste STOMP's time.

I can think of one person who won't need reminding!

 

[STOMP]

IMHO I think Presti's going to have to face down a lot of "Draft the 'Stache"-type pressure if he's in a position to get Griffin. I personally think Thabeet would be the better pick, which is why he'd probably trade down if he got #1.

of course Presti could also try to trade Green for a quality Big... hard to say what Green might fetch but SP might be able to get the local stud and shore up the inside D.

Remind me not to waste STOMP's time.

those are all Zagsfan's quotes that I found while looking up my LaMarcus predictions... believe me there were others. We're all wrong from time to time, but to be both wrong and insulting is a good way to get most anyone's hackles raised. An apology would have avoided this.

just curious, which one of the three lines do you think is the most off-base?

STOMP