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So go ahead enlighten me. Why are the Blazers suddenly a destination for marquee free agents after 45 years?

My $.02

The league has changed a lot recently. Guys like LeBron take their talents to South Beach and then he took his talents back to Cleveland. In between, Cleveland did the kind of things that the Blazers have done - built a good young core with a couple of superstars to complement him. The Blazers have Dame and CJ and boatloads of cap space.

In the Miami and Blazers' situations, the superstar FA can basically craft his own team.
 
How so? He has history on his side. When was the last time we signed a marquee free agent while competing head to head against other teams?

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Point #1 He'd make the same here as anywhere else - this is true. Portland can't offer any more money than a lot of other teams this summer, and if you count local endorsements, it might be less.

Point #2 The Blazers are sub .500 - this is also true. Right now we're not even in the playoff picture, so it's not like we can offer a chance to play on a contender.

Point #3 Tiny market - According to this website, we are the 22nd ranked television market. 18 of those 21 cities above us have NBA teams.
http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets

Point #4 Dreary weather - This is also true. According to this list of cities, Portland has 164 days of rain per year. The only cities with more on this list are Buffalo, NY and Rochester, NY.
https://www.currentresults.com/Weather/US/average-annual-precipitation-by-city.php

Point #5 Few marketing opportunities - this is in regards to local endorsements, not something like Adidas. I guess you can count that one Wilsonville Toyota commercial........ or Standard TV and Appliance, but are you going to compare local endorsements to a place like NY or LA?

Point #6 - Half your games when the rest of the country is asleep - this is a point that's constantly brought up by the media.... Hell, Stephen A Smith was lamenting the fact that Oden and Durant were both going to be banished to the NBA version of Sibera.
Since you put some time in to this, I'll repond.
1- no one is arguing the fact that we can't offer him more money (He only pointed that out in his edited version).
2- that's the most one sided, pessimistic view on our teams record. I don't think I need to paint the whole picture. Our team is clearly moving in the right direction way faster than anyone thought possible. Maybe whiteside thinks he could be the missing piece? He plays with a chip on his shoulder, and it's growing bigger, especially as his role in Miami gets smaller.
3-so by that math, we're the 19th smallest market out of nba cities? "Tiny" was way off for describing that.
4- he grew up between the Carolinas, and New Jersey. I doubt he's too concerned with a little rain in portland (they travel a lot for work in the nba). And just to refresh your memory, greg Monroe chose Milwaukee because he thought he had a good chance to win.
5- that is an outdated argument, and its becoming more irrelevent as time goes on. It's 2016. Internet. Social media. Billionaire owner. Damian lillard. And one important factor. What makes you think hassan whiteside is so concerned about his marketing opportunities in portland, that it would make him not sign here?
6- Half the NBA is in the western conference..... then you brought up that soap opera star Stephen Smith.
 
Monroe also chose Milwaukee because it was closer to his hometown on the east coast. Which is a common theme with some guys.

West coast guys we have a higher chance with, but then they'd still choose gs, lac or Lal over us.
 
I think you're underestimating how much money he's going to get this summer. Most of the top free agents are restricted, and practically every team will have cap space burning a hole in their pockets. Whiteside is going to get maxed, and I suspect there will be a significant courting process, not unlike what happened with LMA. It's not often that a 26 year old center of his caliber is an unrestricted free agent.
What caliber is Whiteside in your opinion? He hasn't seemed to have offensive skills the few times I've seen him play, and all the stats I've seen seem to say that he doesn't even make a positive impact on defense or rebounding.
 
Monroe also chose Milwaukee because it was closer to his hometown on the east coast. Which is a common theme with some guys.

West coast guys we have a higher chance with, but then they'd still choose gs, lac or Lal over us.
There's no chance of him going to gs, or lac. If he was trying to argue that LAL have a better chance of signing him? Ok, I'll buy that.
 
There's no chance of him going to gs, or lac. If he was trying to argue that LAL have a better chance of signing him? Ok, I'll buy that.
What? I'm not talking about Monroe signing on the west coast. I made reference to Monroe choosing mikwaukie too, because he is an east coast guy abs it's closer to his home.

I'm saying west coast guys would likely choose Lal, lac, or gs if they could over Portland. Like derozan this summer. Id see him likely wanting lal if he wanted to go home to Cali, not us. Same with spencer hawes, he chose lac, instead of us.
 
What? I'm not talking about Monroe signing on the west coast. I made reference to Monroe choosing mikwaukie too, because he is an east coast guy abs it's closer to his home.

I'm saying west coast guys would likely choose Lal, lac, or gs if they could over Portland. Like derozan this summer. Id see him likely wanting lal if he wanted to go home to Cali, not us. Same with spencer hawes, he chose lac, instead of us.
I mis-read that second part. I thought you were talking about west coast teams, as possible destinations for whiteside. I agree with what you said about hometowns though. But since he grew up on the east coast, I was confused about the references to gs, lac, and lal.
 
I think we could have a chance signing Whiteside. But I'm not a Whiteside fan. Portland will never sign a LeBron James or Kevin Durant to join us. But I don't see it out of the realm of possibility to sign a Hassan Whiteside or Chandler Parsons tier player.

We kind of have in the past, like Andre miller, Brian grant, even Derek Anderson when he signed for less than he could have gotten elsewhere. Even though he ended up sucking ass.
 
Who was the last 1st tier FA that signed here?

Jamal Crawford?
Andre Miller?

Those guys aren't max players or first tier.

Wes? Wasn't a coveted player or first tier when signed, signed inexpensive deal that turned out to be a bargain contract.

Brian Grant? Most likely the last real good FA signing we had.

And Of course Rod Strickland.


Not a real good history. We've had good teams with great young players before and weren't able to attract top free agents, I see no reason for that to change.

And not that I don't want it to change, I'd love a change! But it's one of those things where I'm going to have to see it to believe it.
 
Who was the last 1st tier FA that signed here?

Jamal Crawford?
Andre Miller?

Those guys aren't max players or first tier.

Wes? Wasn't a coveted player or first tier when signed, signed inexpensive deal that turned out to be a bargain contract.

Brian Grant? Most likely the last real good FA signing we had.

And Of course Rod Strickland.


Not a real good history. We've had good teams with great young players before and weren't able to attract top free agents, I see no reason for that to change.

And not that I don't want it to change, I'd love a change! But it's one of those things where I'm going to have to see it to believe it.

Here is a list of FAs last summer and where they ended up. Almost none of the elite players signed elsewhere.
 
With some of these contracts that are gonna be handed out, Whiteside will get max, but you pay for bigs. I don't think he signs with us, but I think he's on the same level Andre Miller was when we signed him.
 
Here is a list of FAs last summer and where they ended up. Almost none of the elite players signed elsewhere.


Not seeing a link, bud.

I know of 3 free agents that didn't return to their team, although 2 didn't have a choice after the Turncoat left. We have a hard enough time retaining our own top FA's.
 
Since you put some time in to this, I'll repond.
1- no one is arguing the fact that we can't offer him more money (He only pointed that out in his edited version).
I edited in that bit about five seconds after I posted the original because I realized that forgot to address the point ... it would have been just as easy to add it into another post, but it seemed easier to edit, rather than spam another message.
2- that's the most one sided, pessimistic view on our teams record. I don't think I need to paint the whole picture. Our team is clearly moving in the right direction way faster than anyone thought possible. Maybe whiteside thinks he could be the missing piece? He plays with a chip on his shoulder, and it's growing bigger, especially as his role in Miami gets smaller.
This team still has very few quality wins and just because they elevated themselves from the perception that they might be one of the two worst teams in the NBA, to being mediocre, doesn't mean that they are anywhere near being on the cusp of contending for anything meaningful. All the Blazers look like right now is a team in the middle of the pack. That doesn't mean they stand out in a situation crowded with teams with just as much or more capspace to offer versus the Blazers.
3-so by that math, we're the 19th smallest market out of nba cities? "Tiny" was way off for describing that.
"Tiny," "Small," "Not big." Semantics. It's still close to being in the bottom third of market size. And if history is any guide you can bet your ass that plays into agents steering their clients to places. It may not be the most important factor, but it's still a factor.
4- he grew up between the Carolinas, and New Jersey. I doubt he's too concerned with a little rain in portland (they travel a lot for work in the nba). And just to refresh your memory, greg Monroe chose Milwaukee because he thought he had a good chance to win.
Why does it matter where a guy is from? People move to California or Florida all the time from the mid-west and the northeast for the sunshine, that doesn't make Portland's 222 average cloudy days any more palatable or a selling point; it may not be a deal breaker, but it's definitely not a mark in its favor. As for Greg Monroe signing in Milwaukee, yes he may have thought he had a good chance to win but that doesn't invalidate the point that weather plays a factor in these guys' decision to sign somewhere - an exception doesn't disprove the general rule.
5- that is an outdated argument, and its becoming more irrelevent as time goes on. It's 2016. Internet. Social media. Billionaire owner. Damian lillard. And one important factor. What makes you think hassan whiteside is so concerned about his marketing opportunities in portland, that it would make him not sign here?
What does the year have to do with anything? The internet has been around for awhile now, so has social media. A Billionaire owner isn't special. Damian Lillard is a very good player, but he's probably not good enough to create a magnetic draw for the free agents who are about to command max money. As for marketing opportunities, a lot of these guys probably want to maximize their earning potential. They've got a decade (give or take) to make hay while the sun shines. If they're charismatic enough a lot of these guys probably think about moving into broadcasting when their time is up and the best way to do that is to maximize your television exposure through endorsements and media appearances.
6- Half the NBA is in the western conference..... then you brought up that soap opera star Stephen Smith.
Portland is geographically isolated from the rest of the league that's just a fact. This has two effects: 1. A lot of your games are broadcast late at night when the majority of the country sleeps and 2. you have more travel than any other team. Maybe those aren't deal breakers, but they aren't positives or selling points.

We already know that a lot of guys simply resign with their current team, but when they don't, what is that makes Portland desirable if you are (likely) a young, single, African American with a lot of money and the ability to pick and choose where you want to live and work? I still haven't seen a compelling argument for why Portland is such an attractive destination this summer (and downplaying the negatives isn't the same as selling a positive). I'd love to be proved wrong.
 
I edited in that bit about five seconds after I posted the original because I realized that forgot to address the point ... it would have been just as easy to add it into another post, but it seemed easier to edit, rather than spam another message.

This team still has very few quality wins and just because they elevated themselves from the perception that they might be one of the two worst teams in the NBA, to being mediocre, doesn't mean that they are anywhere near being on the cusp of contending for anything meaningful. All the Blazers look like right now is a team in the middle of the pack. That doesn't mean they stand out in a situation crowded with teams with just as much or more capspace to offer versus the Blazers.

"Tiny," "Small," "Not big." Semantics. It's still close to being in the bottom third of market size. And if history is any guide you can bet your ass that plays into agents steering their clients to places. It may not be the most important factor, but it's still a factor.

Why does it matter where a guy is from? People move to California or Florida all the time from the mid-west and the northeast for the sunshine, that doesn't make Portland's 222 average cloudy days any more palatable or a selling point; it may not be a deal breaker, but it's definitely not a mark in its favor. As for Greg Monroe signing in Milwaukee, yes he may have thought he had a good chance to win but that doesn't invalidate the point that weather plays a factor in these guys' decision to sign somewhere - an exception doesn't disprove the general rule.

What does the year have to do with anything? The internet has been around for awhile now, so has social media. A Billionaire owner isn't special. Damian Lillard is a very good player, but he's probably not good enough to create a magnetic draw for the free agents who are about to command max money. As for marketing opportunities, a lot of these guys probably want to maximize their earning potential. They've got a decade (give or take) to make hay while the sun shines. If they're charismatic enough a lot of these guys probably think about moving into broadcasting when their time is up and the best way to do that is to maximize your television exposure through endorsements and media appearances.

Portland is geographically isolated from the rest of the league that's just a fact. This has two effects: 1. A lot of your games are broadcast late at night when the majority of the country sleeps and 2. you have more travel than any other team. Maybe those aren't deal breakers, but they aren't positives or selling points.

We already know that a lot of guys simply resign with their current team, but when they don't, what is that makes Portland desirable if you are (likely) a young, single, African American with a lot of money and the ability to pick and choose where you want to live and work? I still haven't seen a compelling argument for why Portland is such an attractive destination this summer (and downplaying the negatives isn't the same as selling a positive). I'd love to be proved wrong.

If only the NBA were filled with hipsters........ we would be the #1 destination.
 
Agree with posters that say we can't go after Howard.

First he will be a free agent this summer, if he left the Lakers for nothing why would he stay in Portland? That risk isn't worth giving up an asset for.

Secondly he is rapidly aging and declining production. Even if we were to retain him he could have a very negative value to the team in future years on a massive contract.

Third; he needs to go to a win now situation. If we were in Detroits position when they acquired Sheed it could work. The Blazers aren't there right now. Maybe in two or three years we can make a deadline deal like that but for now stick to the plan. We don't want to follow the Suns debacle of trying to rebuild with youth and also win now. They were in a similar situation to us two years ago with a lottery team making a playoff push but tried to do two strategies at once. Its repeatedly failed in the NBA.

Finally I question the positive impact of huge lumbering centers in the current NBA. The Nets, with Brook Lopez, 76ers with Jahlil Okafor, Bucks with Monroe, Hornets with Al Jefferson, the Pacers being much better without Hibbert/West, Celtics Raptors and Cavs being the top 3 East teams without centers. Thats just in one conference but there is a very high correlation between huge physical centers, teams with offense run through a center, just being soundly outplayed.

Over in the West we see similar trends; the Lakers are a disaster with Hibbert, Suns with Chandler and Len, TWolves even with a stud Towns are ineffective, Pelicans get nothing out of Asik, Kings have one of the most dominant big men in the game putting up historic numbers and a few talented teammates but have been below .500 for a decade. 20 years ago a dominant big meant a team was .500 at a minimum; just not the case in the modern NBA. We've seen it with our Blazers too; how effective was the team last night with Hendo, Harkless, Aminu at both forward spots and a role playing center giving strong effort? There is no reason to have a franchise player at center in today's NBA.
 
Agree with posters that say we can't go after Howard.

First he will be a free agent this summer, if he left the Lakers for nothing why would he stay in Portland? That risk isn't worth giving up an asset for.

Secondly he is rapidly aging and declining production. Even if we were to retain him he could have a very negative value to the team in future years on a massive contract.

Third; he needs to go to a win now situation. If we were in Detroits position when they acquired Sheed it could work. The Blazers aren't there right now. Maybe in two or three years we can make a deadline deal like that but for now stick to the plan. We don't want to follow the Suns debacle of trying to rebuild with youth and also win now. They were in a similar situation to us two years ago with a lottery team making a playoff push but tried to do two strategies at once. Its repeatedly failed in the NBA.

Finally I question the positive impact of huge lumbering centers in the current NBA. The Nets, with Brook Lopez, 76ers with Jahlil Okafor, Bucks with Monroe, Hornets with Al Jefferson, the Pacers being much better without Hibbert/West, Celtics Raptors and Cavs being the top 3 East teams without centers. Thats just in one conference but there is a very high correlation between huge physical centers, teams with offense run through a center, just being soundly outplayed.

Over in the West we see similar trends; the Lakers are a disaster with Hibbert, Suns with Chandler and Len, TWolves even with a stud Towns are ineffective, Pelicans get nothing out of Asik, Kings have one of the most dominant big men in the game putting up historic numbers and a few talented teammates but have been below .500 for a decade. 20 years ago a dominant big meant a team was .500 at a minimum; just not the case in the modern NBA. We've seen it with our Blazers too; how effective was the team last night with Hendo, Harkless, Aminu at both forward spots and a role playing center giving strong effort? There is no reason to have a franchise player at center in today's NBA.
Great post! Says it all!
 
It's pretty simple. Career arc or not. If you get a chance to get a player the caliber of Howard you do not miss that opportunity. EVER!

So would you trade Lillard for him?

It's very silly to say you don't ever miss the opportunity. Like every NBA trade decision it depends entirely on what you have to give up.

Howard is possibly a few month rental if Portland acquires him. Do you trade away multiple years of first round picks? A young core piece such as Vonleh who is on a rookie contract for 3 years? CJ or Plumlee who are both on cheap contracts? That would effectively cost the Blazers a max level player in free agency this summer and a young asset if they were able to resign Howard.

Do you think the Blazers have any way of contending this year with Howard?

I agree the team would acquire him for just cap space, or for low value assets, but just randomly adding whatever aging star you can get without a clear long tern direction is a horrific NBA team building strategy.

The Rockets are going to need some sort of valued asset to let Howard go; it doesn't make any sense for the Blazers to give up such an asset at this point in time.
 
Nets 14-39
Sixers 8-44
Bucks 20-32

Jefferson's FG% beyond 3ft is sub .400.
Pacers are doing better because Paul George is back and playing great.

I'm open to the point, but I don't see this argument supporting not going after Howard.

Not only is he great on defense, he'd give us an inside/outside look and close shots as easy baskets.

They say, "live by the jumpshot, die by the jumpshot" for a reason.

I would only go for him if he agreees to stay this summer, ahead of the deal. He let the world know he didn't want to stay a Laker, and he bolted.
 
If only the NBA were filled with hipsters........ we would be the #1 destination.
What? You don't think rich young black men will choose Portland for our coffee shops, micro-brew pubs, art house theaters, wine country tours, and summer time outdoor recreation? What world are you living in?
 
What? You don't think rich young black men will choose Portland for our coffee shops, micro-brew pubs, art house theaters, wine country tours, and summer time outdoor recreation? What world are you living in?

So what you're saying is....... Westbrook to Portland 2017!

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Dame and Westbrook in the same backcourt........ what would the NBA do????
 
And we don't know what Houston wants for him, if he's even available. Pau Gasol traded to the Lakers for Kwame Brown, unproven Mark Gasol, Javaris Crittendon and two 1sts.

Gasol was 27, and a 18-20 PPG /8-10 RPG player, and face of his franchise. I'm not sold that the 30 year old Howard is going to command anything close to that.
 
It's pretty simple. Career arc or not. If you get a chance to get a player the caliber of Howard you do not miss that opportunity. EVER!
You miss it if that player is a douchebag of Howard's caliber. And then you're grateful you missed it.
 
What? You don't think rich young black men will choose Portland for our coffee shops, micro-brew pubs, art house theaters, wine country tours, and summer time outdoor recreation? What world are you living in?
Uncle Cliffy is opening a pot shop here ...that's got to spark some interest from NBA players looking for a home past their careers
 
And we don't know what Houston wants for him, if he's even available. Pau Gasol traded to the Lakers for Kwame Brown, unproven Mark Gasol, Javaris Crittendon and two 1sts.

Gasol was 27, and a 18-20 PPG /8-10 RPG player, and face of his franchise. I'm not sold that the 30 year old Howard is going to command anything close to that.

I wouldn't give up any of a young unproven Marc Gasol, a future 1st round pick or a future 1st round pick. Maybe Vonleh is equivalent to Gasol for us.

Howard is going to command at the least one of those types of assets. Yes we don't know exactly what any trade costs until its done but we can make very educated estimations. We know Howard has value to other NBA contending teams and as the Blazers aren't contending it makes no sense for us to pay that same high value.
 
I would only go for him if he agreees to stay this summer, ahead of the deal. He let the world know he didn't want to stay a Laker, and he bolted.

This magical world of yours doesn't exist. NBA players can't make these type of agreements, the teams can be heavily punished, and even if such an agreement was made it would be totally unenforceable.
 

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