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Our Dystopian Climate Future Is Here As Big Oil Pushes Line 3 Pipeline.

 
Road Ratt said:
Our Dystopian Climate Future Is Here As Big Oil Pushes Line 3 Pipeline.

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It's going to be interesting when the oil runs out in less than 50 years. We're going to be screwed because big oil shuts down most every other form of energy that dares to compete with them. I guess once they have milked us for every dime they can, to the last drop, they will stop fighting alternative energy sources, but by then it's going to be a calamitous issue.
 
Chris Craig said:
It's going to be interesting when the oil runs out in less than 50 years. We're going to be screwed because big oil shuts down most every other form of energy that dares to compete with them. I guess once they have milked us for every dime they can, to the last drop, they will stop fighting alternative energy sources, but by then it's going to be a calamitous issue.
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and the thing is alternative energy sources cant just “take over” the supply demand.
There isnt near enough alternative to sustain current usage. We need to start accelerating Alternative sources NOW to even have a chance at some sort of smooth transition. If we wait until the oil is out, it may never happen because it takes energy to create energy.
 
tlongII said:
Gotta go nuclear.
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Phatguysrule said:
Agreed. Like 20 years ago. We need to be moving at breakneck speed now.
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We need to build nuclear in someplace like the military ranges in Utah and build out from it a new nationwide power grid. A power grid that is not as wasteful and can recover more quickly from an emp attack. Even North Korea has the ability to hurt us with an emp attack.

We can not build nuclear near populated areas. New plants can be privately built and owned but they should be far away from populated areas and preferably in areas protected by the military.

Also new nuclear has to be pellet-based instead of rod.
 
Orion Bailey said:
and the thing is alternative energy sources cant just “take over” the supply demand.
There isnt near enough alternative to sustain current usage. We need to start accelerating Alternative sources NOW to even have a chance at some sort of smooth transition. If we wait until the oil is out, it may never happen because it takes energy to create energy.
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Agreed. Tell that to big oil
 
SlyPokerDog said:
We need to build nuclear in someplace like the military ranges in Utah and build out from it a new nationwide power grid. A power grid that is not as wasteful and can recover more quickly from an emp attack. Even North Korea has the ability to hurt us with an emp attack.

We can not build nuclear near populated areas. New plants can be privately built and owned but they should be far away from populated areas and preferably in areas protected by the military.

Also new nuclear has to be pellet-based instead of rod.
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Yeah, I'm good with all of that. Thoreum molten salt reactors don't even need a water source.

Stick them out in the middle of nowhere and crank'em up.

And a nationwide power grid of burried lines would be nice. Especially in residential and wooded areas...
 
SlyPokerDog said:
We need to build nuclear in someplace like the military ranges in Utah and build out from it a new nationwide power grid. A power grid that is not as wasteful and can recover more quickly from an emp attack. Even North Korea has the ability to hurt us with an emp attack.

We can not build nuclear near populated areas. New plants can be privately built and owned but they should be far away from populated areas and preferably in areas protected by the military.

Also new nuclear has to be pellet-based instead of rod.
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Also, while we're installing the new power grid conduit we can run fiber in conduit to every door in America.

Then let service providers compete for dollars based on service rather than artifical scarcity. And make snooping on data lines as illegal as snooping telephone lines.

Suck on that with your cookies you advertising assholes.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Also, while we're installing the new power grid conduit we can run fiber in conduit to every door in America.

Then let service providers compete for dollars based on service rather than artifical scarcity. And make snooping on data lines as illegal as snooping telephone lines.

Suck on that with your cookies you advertising assholes.
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Great idea!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
We need to build nuclear in someplace like the military ranges in Utah and build out from it a new nationwide power grid. A power grid that is not as wasteful and can recover more quickly from an emp attack. Even North Korea has the ability to hurt us with an emp attack.

We can not build nuclear near populated areas. New plants can be privately built and owned but they should be far away from populated areas and preferably in areas protected by the military.

Also new nuclear has to be pellet-based instead of rod.
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Nevada is also a prime site.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
We need to build nuclear in someplace like the military ranges in Utah and build out from it a new nationwide power grid. A power grid that is not as wasteful and can recover more quickly from an emp attack. Even North Korea has the ability to hurt us with an emp attack.

We can not build nuclear near populated areas. New plants can be privately built and owned but they should be far away from populated areas and preferably in areas protected by the military.

Also new nuclear has to be pellet-based instead of rod.
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Ask yourself how Germany closed down 12 of it's nuclear plants...

Nuclear is a dying horrible technology. We keep talking about moving up on the Kardashev scale but want to move backwards attempting to do it.

Solar power is where it's at. The entire NV desert should be solar panels. They are only going to get better and will create a need to invent better batteries.

We need more energy from the Sun.
 
dviss1 said:
Ask yourself how Germany closed down 12 of it's nuclear plants...

Nuclear is a dying horrible technology. We keep talking about moving up on the Kardashev scale but want to move backwards attempting to do it.

Solar power is where it's at. The entire NV desert should be solar panels. They are only going to get better and will create a need to invent better batteries.

We need more energy from the Sun.
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We don't have the battery technology and won't have it in time.

Nuclear isn't horrible. It's incredibly clean and every bit as safe as solar and wind.

Our common experience with nuclear is with 60 year old technology which was designed to make use of weapons grade plutonium.

We have so much better and safer technology it's insane. Nuclear waste can be nearly inert in comparison to the old technology we've been using for nearly a century.

 
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Phatguysrule said:
We don't have the battery technology and won't have it in time.

Nuclear isn't horrible. It's incredibly clean and every bit as safe as solar and wind.

Our common experience with nuclear is with 60 year old technology which was designed to make use of weapons grade plutonium.

We have so much better and safer technology it's insane. Nuclear waste can be nearly inert in comparison to the old technology we've been using for half a century.

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See Chernobyl, Three Mile Island

Solar and wind power leave no waste
 
Phatguysrule said:
We don't have the battery technology and won't have it in time.

Nuclear isn't horrible. It's incredibly clean and every bit as safe as solar and wind.

Our common experience with nuclear is with 60 year old technology which was designed to make use of weapons grade plutonium.

We have so much better and safer technology it's insane. Nuclear waste can be nearly inert in comparison.

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Meh. I don't believe that at all. Nuclear isn't clean at all. The radioactive waste that we don't have a way of eliminating literally kills us...

Again, look at Germany shutting down plants and going to solar. Insurance companies don't even insure Nuclear plants, we do...
 
Chris Craig said:
See Chernobyl, Three Mile Island

Solar and wind power leave no waste
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Solar and wind power do leave waste. Especially when you consider mining for battery components and chemicals.

Chernobyl and Three Mile Island were using antiquated technology which was designed to use weapons grade plutonium. And even including those disasters (as well as Fukushima) death rates per energy generated from nuclear are as low as solar and wind.

We already have the nuclear waste. We have to do something with it. We can make it inert, and in doing so generate enough electricity to power earth for hundreds of years. With the nuclear waste we ALREADY HAVE.

Not using it is (leaving it in its current state with a half life of thousands of years) far more dangerous than using it in breeder reactors (which would reduce the half life of waste to hundreds of years and make it far less potent).
 
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dviss1 said:
Meh. I don't believe that at all. Nuclear isn't clean at all. The radioactive waste that we don't have a way of eliminating literally kills us...

Again, look at Germany shutting down plants and going to solar. Insurance companies don't even insure Nuclear plants, we do...
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They are shutting down old technology. We do have a way of eliminating it. We can make that waste inert (waste that we already have and need to do something with).

The safest solution for all of that nuclear waste is to use it in breeder reactors.

I have no problem with solar or wind. We should use them as well. But the absolute most dangerous form of energy generation is fossil fuel. And in order to stop that we need as much nuclear as possible (as well as wind/solar) ASAP.
 
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dviss1 said:
Solar power is where it's at. The entire NV desert should be solar panels. They are only going to get better and will create a need to invent better batteries.
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Transmission is going to be expensive and there is a much lower hanging fruit available - rooftops. In California which is among the most aggressive in Solar only 15% of new construction includes solar panels.

The beauty of Solar is that there is very little of the side-effects of other energy production technologies, which means that we do not need to centralize production the way we do with other energy production methods.

We need more energy from the Sun.
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We need the same amount, just need to harvest more of it ;) We don't want the Earth to become Venus...
 
andalusian said:
Transmission is going to be expensive and there is a much lower hanging fruit available - rooftops. In California which is among the most aggressive in Solar only 15% of new construction includes solar panels.

The beauty of Solar is that there is very little of the side-effects of other energy production technologies, which means that we do not need to centralize production the way we do with other energy production methods.



We need the same amount, just need to harvest more of it ;) We don't want the Earth to become Venus...
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Agreed. It wouldn't cost much (less than $3 trillion total) to fully fund solar on every roof in America. Especially when you consider the cost of doing nothing (effects of climate change will cost us $2 trillion per year).
 
Phatguysrule said:
Agreed. It wouldn't cost much (less than $3 trillion total) to fully fund solar on every roof in America. Especially when you consider the cost of doing nothing (effects of climate change will cost us $2 trillion per year).
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Say that while running for president and Exxon will have a bullet with your name on it.
 
andalusian said:
Transmission is going to be expensive and there is a much lower hanging fruit available - rooftops. In California which is among the most aggressive in Solar only 15% of new construction includes solar panels.

The beauty of Solar is that there is very little of the side-effects of other energy production technologies, which means that we do not need to centralize production the way we do with other energy production methods.
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This is what I was talking about with Germany.

andalusian said:
We need the same amount, just need to harvest more of it ;) We don't want the Earth to become Venus...
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LOL. You know what I meant. :D
 
Chris Craig said:
See Chernobyl, Three Mile Island

Solar and wind power leave no waste
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Chernobyl and Three Mile Island are terrible examples for your argument.
Not a single person died because of Three Mile Island that I know of.
Chernobyl used ancient Soviet design which also did not have a modern containment vessel because the United States had the only containment vessels and we would not sell them one.
 
andalusian said:
Transmission is going to be expensive and there is a much lower hanging fruit available - rooftops. In California which is among the most aggressive in Solar only 15% of new construction includes solar panels.

The beauty of Solar is that there is very little of the side-effects of other energy production technologies, which means that we do not need to centralize production the way we do with other energy production methods.



We need the same amount, just need to harvest more of it ;) We don't want the Earth to become Venus...
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This is pretty promising... https://www.fastcompany.com/9067213...s-five-times-more-energy-than-its-competitors
 
Phatguysrule said:
This is pretty promising... https://www.fastcompany.com/9067213...s-five-times-more-energy-than-its-competitors
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In places where you have frequent wind patterns, a wind farm is a lot more space efficient than a solar farm, but these places are not as common. FWIW, this January we had a kid back from college and took a nice family vacation in Joshua Tree, on the way home we did a tour of the wind farm off of the I-10 near Palm Springs. Very interesting place. Each one of the big turbines by itself produces about as much electricity as 1.5 acres of solar panels. But the narrow valley there is a very unique place for building such a farm. Solar panels are easy to install almost anywhere.

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