Politics Eight year old take a knee.

[MarAzul]

I was a coach of youth football myself. So I know teaching moments come and go.
There is no way that I would teach the youth to take a knee during the National Anthem.
Taking a knee is not what they need to know or learn at this stage in their progress.

Now I don't know what ails this coach, but dammit I wish he would find a cure.

He just fucked up his moment.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/20/youth-football-team-cahokia-kneels-national-anthem

 

[Chris Craig]

Yeah America is losing it. I remember we used to stand and say the pledge of alliegence every morning at school. But, hey fuck patriotism right.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Why don't these fucking pussies just flip off the flag or yell "DEATH TO AMERICA" instead of this passive aggressive bullshit.

 

[MarAzul]

Why don't these fucking pussies just flip off the flag or yell "DEATH TO AMERICA" instead of this passive aggressive bullshit.

Perhaps he did, in a way.

 

[MarAzul]

Yeah America is losing it. I remember we used to stand and say the pledge of alliegence every morning at school. But, hey fuck patriotism right.

I remember doing the same. It irritated me when they added in the "under God" words to the pledge. That muddled up the mean of the pledge.

 

[Natebishop3]

I feel like there's a difference between our country and our government. To me, the flag represents both the country and the government. There are things about the government that I love and things that I hate. There are things about our country that I love, and things that I hate. To me, the National Anthem is about our country, not so much about our government. I also don't believe in protests that don't have a clear, deliverable, goal.

If you're unhappy with our government, what would make you happy? If you want to protest the National Anthem, what would be something deliverable that would make you feel like you no longer needed to protest? Being upset just to be upset doesn't accomplish anything.

 

[dviss1]

Yeah America is losing it. I remember we used to stand and say the pledge of alliegence every morning at school. But, hey fuck patriotism right.

Don't confuse patriotism with jingoism.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

The problem I have with these things isn't that kids have opinions on things or want to protest.

I just want them to hear all sides of an issue. But I'd prefer that their parents be involved.

 

[dviss1]

When we go to war, to protect our rights and way of life, they are protecting free speech as well.

It's funny to me how you free speech "advocates" HATE it when certain people exercise this inalienable right.

 

[dviss1]

The problem I have with these things isn't that kids have opinions on things or want to protest.

I just want them to hear all sides of an issue. But I'd prefer that their parents be involved.

I'm 100% sure his parents had a teachable moment with him about what goes on in this country that may possibly happen to him.

 

[Natebishop3]

When we go to war, to protect our rights and way of life, they are protecting free speech as well.

It's funny to me how you free speech "advocates" HATE it when certain people exercise this inalienable right.

I personally don't really care what they do, but I'm just not really sure what the endgame is. What's the goal? What are you hoping to achieve?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I'm 100% sure his parents had a teachable moment with him about what goes on in this country that may possibly happen to him.

I just mean that if I were the coach I wouldn't want to make decisions of any kind that aren't directly related to the sport.

 

[dviss1]

I personally don't really care what they do, but I'm just not really sure what the endgame is. What's the goal? What are you hoping to achieve?

Is it or is it not bringing awareness?

There are whole threads about it. There's discussion. It's having the right effect. It creates dialog and debate. This is how the country moves forward, by having a debate on the MERITS of the argument.

 

[dviss1]

I just mean that if I were the coach I wouldn't want to make decisions of any kind that aren't directly related to the sport.

One could ask why the anthem is related to sports.

 

[Natebishop3]

Is it or is it not bringing awareness?

There are whole threads about it. There's discussion. It's having the right effect. It creates dialog and debate. This is how the country moves forward, by having a debate on the MERITS of the argument.

But it seems like the debate ends up being about whether we should or should not kneel during the anthem. Shouldn't the debate be about the cause and not the action? What positive outcomes have been a direct result of Kaepernick starting this whole thing?

 

[dviss1]

But it seems like the debate ends up being about whether we should or should not kneel during the anthem. Shouldn't the debate be about the cause and not the action? What positive outcomes have been a direct result of Kaepernick starting this whole thing?

Right. And it is always about why we should or should not. The debate is on point and we have been having it.

 

[Natebishop3]

Right. And it is always about why we should or should not. The debate is on point and we have been having it.

But he isn't kneeling to raise awareness about kneeling. He's doing it to bring awareness to violence against the black community by police, right?

So having these huge debates about whether kneeling during the National Anthem is okay seems to be missing the bigger picture. At least that's how it seems to me.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

One could ask why the anthem is related to sports.

I don't get tons of American traditions.

When I coached 5th grade YMCA basketball I was paranoid of doing anything off. Kids that wanted to go to the bathroom I'd make bring a friend and I'd wait outside.

 

[MarAzul]

I just mean that if I were the coach I wouldn't want to make decisions of any kind that aren't directly related to the sport.

Perhaps one can consider proper Flag and Anthem etiquette directly related to the sport. Especial at this age.

 

[Natebishop3]

Perhaps one can consider proper Flag and Anthem etiquette directly related to the sport. Especial at this age.

To me, it's our duty as Americans first to question the government and to uphold the Constitution, above and beyond any allegiance to the flag.

This nation was forged out of revolt, and a desire for freedom for all people from tyranny and oppression. If there are Americans being oppressed, it's our duty to fight for those people. We love to get all pumped up during the National Anthem when they say "the land of the free, and the home of the brave," but apparently we don't like it when someone points out that there are citizens of this country that aren't so free.

I wish some people were as passionate about protecting all Americans as much as they are about standing for the National Anthem.

 

[H.C.]

Another grandpa thread, shocker.
GET OFF MY LAWN.

 

[MarAzul]

I wish some people were as passionate about protecting all Americans as much as they are about standing for the National Anthem.

Well, as you yourself said, you would like to see objectives for demonstrations. To teach disrespect for the traditions of the nation to the children is not an objective and has none other than creating disrespectful adults. And further, doing it because a properly conducted trial did not produce the results you desire, is compounding the error.

This is over a the recent trial of a cop found not guilty in a trial by a judge. By a judge instead of a jury trial as is everyones right. It is the system. The guy that died, a black man, a drug dealer fleeing from the police is not an innocent hero. A hero deserving of wasting a generation of children being taught to disregard the systems and tradition of the nation.
There can not be a worthy goal, that can possible be achieved, teaching the children, this nation is flawed and is to be disrespected. If the dead man were white, not mumble would be heard,
yet it would be the same system that perhaps needs some change that produced the death.
These sort of tactics can not produce any good. These sorts of plans will never be adequate.

 

[MarAzul]

MY LAWN

You ain't got a lawn.

 

[dviss1]

But he isn't kneeling to raise awareness about kneeling. He's doing it to bring awareness to violence against the black community by police, right?

So having these huge debates about whether kneeling during the National Anthem is okay seems to be missing the bigger picture. At least that's how it seems to me.

Go back and look at the thread. You'll see we were talking mostly about WHY he's kneeling.

 

[dviss1]

Well, as you yourself said, you would like to see objectives for demonstrations. To teach disrespect for the traditions of the nation to the children is not an objective and has none other than creating disrespectful adults. And further, doing it because a properly conducted trial did not produce the results you desire, is compounding the error.

This is over a the recent trial of a cop found not guilty in a trial by a judge. By a judge instead of a jury trial as is everyones right. It is the system. The guy that died, a black man, a drug dealer fleeing from the police is not an innocent hero. A hero deserving of wasting a generation of children being taught to disregard the systems and tradition of the nation.
There can not be a worthy goal, that can possible be achieved, teaching the children, this nation is flawed and is to be disrespected. If the dead man were white, not mumble would be heard,
yet it would be the same system that perhaps needs some change that produced the death.
These sort of tactics can not produce any good. These sorts of plans will never be adequate.

This is some silly shit. Really. So you don't respect the first amendment then?

 

[dviss1]

Perhaps one can consider proper Flag and Anthem etiquette directly related to the sport. Especial at this age.

Sorry, but my son won't be blindly pledging allegiance to the flag.

That's what these people are doing:

 

[MarAzul]

This is some silly shit. Really. So you don't respect the first amendment then?

Sure I do. I see nit wits use it, and smart people too. Some are effective, most are not. It hurts to see people causing harm with it.

 

[MarAzul]

Sorry, but my son won't be blindly pledging allegiance to the flag.

Predictable.

 

[dviss1]

Sure I do. I see nit wits use it, and smart people too. Some are effective, most are not. It hurts to see people causing harm with it.

So how do you feel about racism as protected speech then?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

So how do you feel about racism as protected speech then?

It is clearly protected. A black guy I saw on YouTube said all us white guys would be dead by now and an old black guy was our king or some shit. In this day and age you'll be doxxed and fired from your job if you say stupid shit.

We're really close to a Black Mirror episode becoming reality.

Pretty soon if you say the N word your phone will hear it and make you take a selfie to prove you're black.