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EL PRESIDENTE

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FROM THE BBC:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37548695

US President Barack Obama can "go to hell" over his criticism of the Philippines brutal war against drugs, President Rodrigo Duterte says.

The European Union - another critic - "better choose purgatory, hell is filled up", Mr Duterte said.

The remarks came as the US and the Philippines began joint military exercises. The US said there was a "strong alliance" with the Philippines.

Mr Duterte's drugs war has caused thousands of extrajudicial killings.

In a speech to local officials and business executives Mr Duterte said he was disappointed with the US for criticising the Philippines' tactics to combat the drug trade. He also described Washington as an unreliable ally.

"Instead of helping us, the first to criticise is this state department, so you can go to hell, Mr Obama, you can go to hell."

Later on Tuesday he warned: "Eventually I might, in my time, I will break up with America. I would rather go to Russia and to China.''

Mr Duterte also revealed that the US had refused to sell weapons to Manila, but added that he would be able to buy them elsewhere.

"If you don't want to sell arms, I'll go to Russia. I sent the generals to Russia and Russia said, 'Do not worry, we have everything you need, we'll give it to you'.

"And as for China, they said, 'Just come over and sign and everything will be delivered'," President Duterte said.
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World War III coming soon?

Russia + China

vs.

USA + Eurozone

vs.

Islam on the Side

with Latin America jerking off in the back?
 
If you think Russia and China go to war with the US over not selling weapons to this dictator you're suffering from delusions..the people there aren't big fans of the Chinese to start with...unless they want to be swallowed up by China....ask Tibet how that worked out
 
That jerk facist might just turn the Phillipines into the next North Korea.....who is also chummy with Russia and China....
 
Obama is getting kicked around right now by the rest of the world.

Example:
The Russians just moved serious type missile defense systems into Syria. These advanced systems can bring down our low flying cruise missiles, and are believed to be capable of finding and killing our most advanced stealth airplanes.

ISIS and the rebels in Syria do not have any airplanes or missiles, none. This aggressive action by the Russians is against the USA.

What has Obama done to stop the escalation by Russia? Nothing! The result is, our military is now much weaker in the Middle East, and Russia is stronger.
 
Seems to be a pattern here. If Obama doesn't get his way, or is embarrassed by his incompetence, he disengages. He doesn't deal with republicans. He doesn't deal with Russia/Putin. He didn't deal with the Iraqi government to keep ISIS from taking over.

His approach to making friends and influencing people makes things worse.

Hiliar's "reset with Russia" was an utter failure, too.

Not sure if this is real, but if there were a countdown clock to war with Russia, it's a lot closer to midnight now than when Obama took offie.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19138...ares-syria-stalemate-to-cuban-missile-crisis/

MOSCOW ON THE OFFENSIVE
Russian state newspapers predict ‘direct military conflict’ with US as it compares Syria stalemate to Cuban missile crisis
'Third World War' fears have been voiced by the newspapers over the growing tensions between the USA and Syria
 
Denny Crane said:
Seems to be a pattern here. If Obama doesn't get his way, or is embarrassed by his incompetence, he disengages. He doesn't deal with republicans. He doesn't deal with Russia/Putin. He didn't deal with the Iraqi government to keep ISIS from taking over.

His approach to making friends and influencing people makes things worse.

Hiliar's "reset with Russia" was an utter failure, too.

Not sure if this is real, but if there were a countdown clock to war with Russia, it's a lot closer to midnight now than when Obama took offie.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/19138...ares-syria-stalemate-to-cuban-missile-crisis/

MOSCOW ON THE OFFENSIVE
Russian state newspapers predict ‘direct military conflict’ with US as it compares Syria stalemate to Cuban missile crisis
'Third World War' fears have been voiced by the newspapers over the growing tensions between the USA and Syria
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nonsense.......Obama stood up to that asshole Putin and Congress shut him out of getting anything done since the day he was sworn in office....you're stretching here from you Hillary and Obama hate as if the Congress or Putin are blame free.....Putin is a snake....Obama had the worst Congress to deal with of any I can remember. The world lives in conflict with terrorist organizations and has for a couple decades....we are at war and so are our allies....they have my support as does the president...there will not be another large scale ground war like WWII again...now it's all done with suicide bombers and drones. Anti American terrorists were better organized and dictators in the Middle East were anti American too.....Obama snuffed out Bin Laden and they were definitely stronger when he took office than today....Syria is not some American problem...it's a Syrian problem. Russia broke the cease fire agreement and you blame Hillary.....c'mon man
 
riverman said:
If you think Russia and China go to war with the US over not selling weapons to this dictator you're suffering from delusions..the people there aren't big fans of the Chinese to start with...unless they want to be swallowed up by China....ask Tibet how that worked out
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Its all about the South China Sea trade routes. Chances are, China is paying off Duerte and other politicos to open these up as well as to get the US out of the Phillipines.

China is basically doing what the US did in the 1970s, bribing and influencing parts of the words to get their way and strengthen their influence. When I used to go to Mexico for work, I would always see Chinese businessmen at the airport, they were up to something big back then. They are locking up these trade routes as well as natural resources in Africa and establishing manufacturing and infrastructure agreements around the globe.
 
Good leaders get both sides to work together. Bad leaders blame the other side for their failures.

Obama is not a good leader.

It does not matter if you said congress shut him out, his job is to get both sides to work together. Coming out and telling everyone the shutdown of the federal govt was all because of republicans, showed obama is a bad leader. Even if that were true, you never say that because it makes the situation even more adversarial.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Its all about the South China Sea trade routes. Chances are, China is paying off Duerte and other politicos to open these up as well as to get the US out of the Phillipines.

China is basically doing what the US did in the 1970s, bribing and influencing parts of the words to get their way and strengthen their influence. When I used to go to Mexico for work, I would always see Chinese businessmen at the airport, they were up to something big back then. They are locking up these trade routes as well as natural resources in Africa and establishing manufacturing and infrastructure agreements around the globe.
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You realize the Phillipines claims the Spratley islands and is in a cold war with China over them? I think this dictator has a target on his back there....when I was in the Phillipines the folks hated Chinese businessmen in general....a lot of Fillipina domestic workers have suffered working in China and Singapore..I don't buy for a second that they would welcome Chinese intrusion
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Good leaders get both sides to work together. Bad leaders blame the other side for their failures.

Obama is not a good leader.

It does not matter if you said congress shut him out, his job is to get both sides to work together. Coming out and telling everyone the shutdown of the federal govt was all because of republicans, showed obama is a bad leader. Even if that were true, you never say that because it makes the situation even mlre adversarial.
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the truth hurts.....the GOP did shutdown govt and consistently lack any desire to work across the aisle..Congress actively lobbied against his proposals while voting themselves raises...they didn't want Obama's presidency to succeed on any level which pisses me off. Congress has no business running an election campaign for their majority party during working hours....Congress was divisive on all fronts
 
riverman said:
You realize the Phillipines claims the Spratley islands and is in a cold war with China over them? I think this dictator has a target on his back there....when I was in the Phillipines the folks hated Chinese businessmen in general....a lot of Fillipina domestic workers have suffered working in China and Singapore..I don't buy for a second that they would welcome Chinese intrusion
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Yeah, but the Chinese filipinos are the elite class in the Philippines.

The officials are corrupt.
The populace is weak and powerless.

All China has to do to get more influence is have the ability to go in there and develop infrastructure. Its all a game of global Risk.
 
riverman said:
nonsense.......Obama stood up to that asshole Putin and Congress shut him out of getting anything done since the day he was sworn in office....you're stretching here from you Hillary and Obama hate as if the Congress or Putin are blame free.....Putin is a snake....Obama had the worst Congress to deal with of any I can remember. The world lives in conflict with terrorist organizations and has for a couple decades....we are at war and so are our allies....they have my support as does the president...there will not be another large scale ground war like WWII again...now it's all done with suicide bombers and drones. Anti American terrorists were better organized and dictators in the Middle East were anti American too.....Obama snuffed out Bin Laden and they were definitely stronger when he took office than today....Syria is not some American problem...it's a Syrian problem. Russia broke the cease fire agreement and you blame Hillary.....c'mon man
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Uh.... no.

This is just silly spin. I do mean silly.

Bill Clinton had a congress who impeached him. I'd call that the most hostile congress. And he was able to get shit done.

We are at war. We are at war with countries that were our allies when Obama took over. I don't see how you can spin surrender in Iraq and expansion of war into multiple countries we had no presence in, to be positive with a straight face. The guy won a Nobel Peace Prize, then goes out and initiates all these new confrontations (Syria, Pakistan, Libya, etc.). None of the places we're involved are better off than when he took office - this is not true of the state of things when he did take office. For example, casualties in Iraq were so low that american deaths were in line with accidental deaths on base in the US and violence civilian deaths were about the same as California.

Russia simply shows its DUE respect for our current leadership. That's a fact.
 
riverman said:
the truth hurts.....the GOP did shutdown govt and consistently lack any desire to work across the aisle..Congress actively lobbied against his proposals while voting themselves raises...they didn't want Obama's presidency to succeed on any level which pisses me off. Congress has no business running an election campaign for their majority party during working hours....Congress was divisive on all fronts
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It does not matter if it was the truth or not. You do not do that in that position. Any competent manager would tell you so. Your goal is to get both sides to work together in harmony. Not to point fingers and put blame out there.

People at work that point fingers and try to blame people are morons. The goal is to accomplish what beeds to be done. Blaming people does absolutely nothing to accomplish that.
 
Denny Crane said:
Uh.... no.

This is just silly spin. I do mean silly.

Bill Clinton had a congress who impeached him. I'd call that the most hostile congress. And he was able to get shit done.

We are at war. We are at war with countries that were our allies when Obama took over. I don't see how you can spin surrender in Iraq and expansion of war into multiple countries we had no presence in, to be positive with a straight face. The guy won a Nobel Peace Prize, then goes out and initiates all these new confrontations (Syria, Pakistan, Libya, etc.). None of the places we're involved are better off than when he took office - this is not true of the state of things when he did take office. For example, casualties in Iraq were so low that american deaths were in line with accidental deaths on base in the US and violence civilian deaths were about the same as California.

Russia simply shows its DUE respect for our current leadership. That's a fact.
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We've had this conversation and what's silly is your use of the word surrender.....you don't understand it...let's start there. We haven't surrendered anywhere under this administration ...Clinton did not have to work with John Boehner.....but with your silly spin, all those GOP good ole boys are victims of Democratic presidents
 
JFizzleRaider said:
It does not matter if it was the truth or not. You do not do that in that position. Any competent manager would tell you so. Your goal is to get both sides to work together in harmony. Not to point fingers and put blame out there.

People at work that point fingers and try to blame people are morons. The goal is to accomplish what beeds to be done. Blaming people does absolutely nothing to accomplish that.
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Tell that to John Boehner...or he gets a free pass?
 
JFizzleRaider said:
It does not matter if it was the truth or not. You do not do that in that position. Any competent manager would tell you so. Your goal is to get both sides to work together in harmony. Not to point fingers and put blame out there.

People at work that point fingers and try to blame people are morons. The goal is to accomplish what beeds to be done. Blaming people does absolutely nothing to accomplish that.
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any competent manager has the ability to fire people who don't do their job....the president can't fire congressmen
 
riverman said:
any competent manager has the ability to fire people who don't do their job....the president can't fire congressmen
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So? He needs to manage what is given to him and get both sides to work together.

Managers that manage union people cant fire people willy nilly either.
 
It's not on ANY president to get congress to work together. Mitch McConnell, a Republican "leader", has made it exceedingly clear he wants nothing to do with Obama and has bent over backwards to obstruct him. The Supreme Court vacancy is just one prime example. Obama offered up a reasonable compromise in Merrick Garland. McConnell gave him the finger. He does not want to compromise or work with Obama in any way, shape or form. He's holding his breath and praying the election goes his way. Helluva gamble if he loses, because then he has to deal with even farther to the left Clinton. That is on McConnell and the Republicans, not Obama. Obstructionism only leads to more obstruction (because we all know payback is an MF). In a perfect world we'd all live in cooperation and harmony......but this ain't a perfect world and is getting farther from it every day.
 
riverman said:
We've had this conversation and what's silly is your use of the word surrender.....you don't understand it...let's start there. We haven't surrendered anywhere under this administration ...Clinton did not have to work with John Boehner.....but with your silly spin, all those GOP good ole boys are victims of Democratic presidents
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I've backed up the surrender fact with hard evidence. From period reporting to dictionary definitions.

Boehner wasn't liked by his own caucus because he wanted to work with Obama.

Obama's job is to lead. Leading means getting people to agree.

That means for the forces agreement with Iraq that he failed to negotiate, and to heaping praise on the Iraqi PM while he was punishing Sunni and stirring up ISIS - instead of leading and getting the PM to not punish the Sunni.

All that blood and treasure we spent in Iraq, thrown away due to poor decision making and lack of leadership ability.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
It's not on ANY president to get congress to work together. Mitch McConnell, a Republican "leader", has made it exceedingly clear he wants nothing to do with Obama and has bent over backwards to obstruct him. The Supreme Court vacancy is just one prime example. Obama offered up a reasonable compromise in Merrick Garland. McConnell gave him the finger. He does not want to compromise or work with Obama in any way, shape or form. He's holding his breath and praying the election goes his way. Helluva gamble if he loses, because then he has to deal with even farther to the left Clinton. That is on McConnell and the Republicans, not Obama. Obstructionism only leads to more obstruction (because we all know payback is an MF). In a perfect world we'd all live in cooperation and harmony......but this ain't a perfect world and is getting farther from it every day.
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How many bills passed congress and signed by Obama?

The facts don't support your narrative.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/in-case-you-missed-it-congress-passed-some-big-bills-in-2015/

In case you missed it, Congress passed some big bills in 2015

But after half a decade of divided government, in which congressional Democrats worked to stymie President George W. Bush and, conversely, congressional Republicans used every opportunity to block or roll back President Obama’s agenda, something changed in 2015: Congress passed significant bipartisan legislation that was signed into law by the president.

Earlier than 2015?

http://blogs.rgj.com/factchecker/2013/10/12/has-the-u-s-house-passed-zero-bills-in-past-3-years/

Fact Checker searched for all bills “passed/agreed to in House” that were introduced during the three years from Oct. 7, 2010 through this past Monday.

The results? During the past three years, the U.S. House of Representatives has not passed “no bills.” In fact, the current session of the House alone has passed 269. If we add in the two previous sessions of Congress — still just covering bills introduced in the past three years — the House has passed a total of 1,203 bills.

If we include the two previous sessions and still deal only with bills introduced in the past three years, the House has OK’d 943 bills that were signed by President Obama.


 
riverman said:
Tell that to John Boehner...or he gets a free pass?
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How many bills passed congress and signed by Obama?

The facts don't support your narrative.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/in-case-you-missed-it-congress-passed-some-big-bills-in-2015/

In case you missed it, Congress passed some big bills in 2015
But after half a decade of divided government, in which congressional Democrats worked to stymie President George W. Bush and, conversely, congressional Republicans used every opportunity to block or roll back President Obama’s agenda, something changed in 2015: Congress passed significant bipartisan legislation that was signed into law by the president.

Earlier than 2015?

http://blogs.rgj.com/factchecker/2013/10/12/has-the-u-s-house-passed-zero-bills-in-past-3-years/

Fact Checker searched for all bills “passed/agreed to in House” that were introduced during the three years from Oct. 7, 2010 through this past Monday.

The results? During the past three years, the U.S. House of Representatives has not passed “no bills.” In fact, the current session of the House alone has passed 269. If we add in the two previous sessions of Congress — still just covering bills introduced in the past three years — the House has passed a total of 1,203 bills.

If we include the two previous sessions and still deal only with bills introduced in the past three years, the House has OK’d 943 bills that were signed by President Obama.
 
Denny Crane said:
How many bills passed congress and signed by Obama?

The facts don't support your narrative.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/in-case-you-missed-it-congress-passed-some-big-bills-in-2015/

In case you missed it, Congress passed some big bills in 2015
But after half a decade of divided government, in which congressional Democrats worked to stymie President George W. Bush and, conversely, congressional Republicans used every opportunity to block or roll back President Obama’s agenda, something changed in 2015: Congress passed significant bipartisan legislation that was signed into law by the president.

Earlier than 2015?

http://blogs.rgj.com/factchecker/2013/10/12/has-the-u-s-house-passed-zero-bills-in-past-3-years/

Fact Checker searched for all bills “passed/agreed to in House” that were introduced during the three years from Oct. 7, 2010 through this past Monday.

The results? During the past three years, the U.S. House of Representatives has not passed “no bills.” In fact, the current session of the House alone has passed 269. If we add in the two previous sessions of Congress — still just covering bills introduced in the past three years — the House has passed a total of 1,203 bills.

If we include the two previous sessions and still deal only with bills introduced in the past three years, the House has OK’d 943 bills that were signed by President Obama.
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So now you're saying Obama did have a successful relationship with Congress.....they worked with him...I thought you said Obama didn't play fair or work with Republicans to get things done...now you're saying he got all this done and congress was working hard for our better interests.....we apparently watched the same movie but with different characters.....I think Congress was extremely lazy and repeatedly walked out of the room when they didn't get their way.
 
riverman said:
the truth hurts.....the GOP did shutdown govt and consistently lack any desire to work across the aisle..Congress actively lobbied against his proposals while voting themselves raises...they didn't want Obama's presidency to succeed on any level which pisses me off. Congress has no business running an election campaign for their majority party during working hours....Congress was divisive on all fronts
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Oh my! And it's Wednesday too.

The GOP didn't shut the government down! Obama did, and the GOP folded. They should shut the government down and correct the debt increasing daily, with Obama or without him.
It is simply unacceptable to have the debt increasing daily at the rate it currently does.

Obama wants a tax increase, well how fucking dumb it that? We lose businesses almost daily because of our high taxes. Then there is the fact, that our debt is so high, if Obama could find a way to confiscate the entire wealth of the top 1% that we hear about all too often, we would still have a humongous debt. Who the hell are you going to tax the shit out of then?
 
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