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Really? You actually think people would go back to their country of origin or do you think they just wouldn't educate their children?
If every free thing that we give them was never offered they would have never entered the country in the first place.

Break in my house, I'll get my wife to give you the best loving you ever had.


Then I'll somehow be surprised when every criminal in town breaks in? I think not.
 
It's pretty simple Sly. You break the law you pay the price. Except in this case, people keep forgetting that Illegal Immigration is against the law. Harboring illegal aliens is against the law.

The US Federal Government cooperating with local state/city police should take these people back to where they belong and then they can work with the proper channels to get legal status.

Georgetown should get sanctions against themselves for providing benefits/harboring to illegal aliens.

How did this kid break the law? He has spent 12 of 18yrs here in this country. He's more American than Mexican.

Personally I think Georgetown should aid him in becoming legal but they are a private university, they can admit and give scholarships to who they want to.
 
i think you are missing the salient points of this article.

1. these kids did well enough in school to earn a scholarship to an elite university. all this "maybe i should throw away my license and get a free ride!" nonsense, is well, nonsense. if you were desirable to elite universities, you would have also been in consideration for a scholarship. im just guessing here, but lets just say, you weren't.

2. Georgetown is a private university. unless i am mistaken, they fund scholarships and student aid privately. and as people who have seen patrick ewing nude can attest to, they are very well endowed.

3. this isnt a new thing. "In keeping with our Catholic-Jesuit tradition, Georgetown has a long history of admitting students regardless of immigration status. Georgetown University is committed to ensuring that our students have the resources they need to attend by meeting a students' full financial need."

4. although he is undocumented, he is in the country legally under the policies of the DACA program.

i mean seriously, of all the things to complain about... maybe go back to whining about protesters? :dunno:
 
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i think you are missing the salient points of this article.

1. these kids did well enough in school to earn a scholarship to an elite university. all this "maybe i should throw away my license and get a free ride!" nonsense, is well, nonsense. if you were desirable to elite universities, you would have also been in consideration for a scholarship. im just guessing here, but lets just say, you weren't.

2. Georgetown is a private university. unless i am mistaken, they fund scholarships and student aid privately. and as people who have seen patrick ewing nude can attest to, they are very well endowed.

3. this isnt a new thing. "In keeping with our Catholic-Jesuit tradition, Georgetown has a long history of admitting students regardless of immigration status. Georgetown University is committed to ensuring that our students have the resources they need to attend by meeting a students' full financial need."

4. although he is undocumented, he is in the country legally under the policies of the DACA program.

i mean seriously, of all the things to complain about... maybe go back to whining about protesters? :dunno:


You contributed fine, until you called people racist. Go back to your hole bud.

Also you are mistaken on #2, it receives funding from the DOE each year.

#3 doesn't make harboring illegals legal, regardless of their tradition.
 
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How did this kid break the law? He has spent 12 of 18yrs here in this country. He's more American than Mexican.

Personally I think Georgetown should aid him in becoming legal but they are a private university, they can admit and give scholarships to who they want to.

Is he a legal resident of USA? If not, your answer is right there in front of you.

I disagree with them giving scholarships to illegals because some of their funding comes from the Dept. of Ed., which comes from our pockets ultimately. However I won't disagree about there needing to be more/or faster avenues for getting illegals legal. I just dont think they should be able to stay in our country while doing so, unless they've followed some sort of process to allow that.
 
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Is he a legal resident of USA? If not, your answer is right there in front of you.

I disagree with them giving scholarships to illegals because some of their funding comes from the Dept. of Ed., which comes from our pockets ultimately.

But if that very same kid gets a student visa you are ok with it? Isn't he the same kid either way?

What's the big advantage to the USA if he fills out the J1 visa paperwork? I mean, it would be good for recordkeeping and such, but it wouldn't mean that he hadn't been living here illegally beforehand.

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Bingo. And getting free rides through college because of it? Totally fucked up.
You know anybody can get a free ride in Scotland? Germany too. And there it really is taxpayers footing the bill. Amazingly enough, they don't seem that outraged.

You know what I think is unfair? People thinking they deserve a higher standard of living because of the accident of their birth, while simultaneously thinking everyone else can go fuck themselves. What makes it all-the-more galling is that it's not as if this country wasn't stolen by its current inhabitants, so getting on the high horse is pretty rich.
 
That said, in this country we educate the children of illegals. It would be inhumane not to.

Actually, since they have no reason to be here, and it is illegal, encouraging them to go home seems prudent. Having no school available is an appropriate encouragement.
 
Actually, since they have no reason to be here, and it is illegal, encouraging them to go home seems prudent. Having no school available is an appropriate encouragement.
That's a gross assumption Marz .....a lot of people have good reason to be here...some particularly from Nicaragua and Honduras are fleeing for their lives..amnesty is a case by case issue
 
International Student Advisor for a large university was one of my former jobs. Most undocumented students are put in that position by actions from their parents or loss of a previous status, that puts the kid in a very strange position. Been in the USA since before they can remember, only know the US as home, love America, this is their home. But because of the circumstance they are forced to return to a country they don't know, a language they can't speak. It is almost never the fault of the kid. Really really tough and sad situations sometimes. These applicants/students don't even pass through the International Student Department (only to ask questions). They are handled by the regular admissions office or registrar.

There are a ton of students who violate their visa status, but USCIS doesn't take any real action. The action is left to the school advisors to do paperwork and recommend that they leave the U.S., many don't. Can just leave the U.S. and reapply for the visa and re-enter. Those are the students who violate on purpose, not the undocumented students.
 
International Student Advisor for a large university was one of my former jobs. Most undocumented students are put in that position by actions from their parents or loss of a previous status, that puts the kid in a very strange position. Been in the USA since before they can remember, only know the US as home, love America, this is their home. But because of the circumstance they are forced to return to a country they don't know, a language they can't speak. It is almost never the fault of the kid. Really really tough and sad situations sometimes. These applicants/students don't even pass through the International Student Department (only to ask questions). They are handled by the regular admissions office or registrar.

There are a ton of students who violate their visa status, but USCIS doesn't take any real action. The action is left to the school advisors to do paperwork and recommend that they leave the U.S., many don't. Can just leave the U.S. and reapply for the visa and re-enter. Those are the students who violate on purpose, not the undocumented students.
Good points
 
International Student Advisor for a large university was one of my former jobs. Most undocumented students are put in that position by actions from their parents or loss of a previous status, that puts the kid in a very strange position. Been in the USA since before they can remember, only know the US as home, love America, this is their home. But because of the circumstance they are forced to return to a country they don't know, a language they can't speak. It is almost never the fault of the kid. Really really tough and sad situations sometimes. These applicants/students don't even pass through the International Student Department (only to ask questions). They are handled by the regular admissions office or registrar.

There are a ton of students who violate their visa status, but USCIS doesn't take any real action. The action is left to the school advisors to do paperwork and recommend that they leave the U.S., many don't. Can just leave the U.S. and reapply for the visa and re-enter. Those are the students who violate on purpose, not the undocumented students.
I should clarify, not all students who violate their visa status do it on purpose. There are many rules to follow which can be violated without their knowing. But there are a portion of students who willingly violate.
 
amnesty is a case by case issue

I assume this is your opinion. It is not mine. It sounds as if you are speaking of refuges which would have a legal status.
I am speaking of illegals which do not have a reason to be here by our law. If you don't like the law then please get it changed if possible.
Otherwise, anyone here illegally includes their children which have no reason to be here and none should be invented other than by law.
 
I assume this is your opinion. It is not mine. It sounds as if you are speaking of refuges which would have a legal status.
I am speaking of illegals which do not have a reason to be here by our law. If you don't like the law then please get it changed if possible.
Otherwise, anyone here illegally includes their children which have no reason to be here and none should be invented other than by law.
My argument was not about immigration law but about people who are here with their reason to be here...Canada is full of people who grew up there with draft dodging dads who stayed and married eventually...according to them, Canada was reason enough not to go to prison or war...might not be your reason, but it's a reason
 
My argument was not about immigration law but about people who are here with their reason to be here...Canada is full of people who grew up there with draft dodging dads who stayed and married eventually...according to them, Canada was reason enough not to go to prison or war...might not be your reason, but it's a reason

Ok river, you win. I have no idea what you are going on about.
 
Let me put it simply....I gladly accept the Hispanic kids whom I've taught and coached that grew up here and I really don't give a damn what sort of papers their parents have....in my 62 years, I've never been bothered or economically challenged by the presence of a foreigner in the neighborhood..I choose not to live in urban sprawls though. I'm not buying the national witch hunt for (south of the border) people but if some gangster, thief, bad egg is here for bad reasons...I have no mercy...just leave good, honest working families alone is my belief..if they get caught traveling, that's where they need the papers.
 
Ok river, you win. I have no idea what you are going on about.
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You know anybody can get a free ride in Scotland? Germany too. And there it really is taxpayers footing the bill. Amazingly enough, they don't seem that outraged.

You know what I think is unfair? People thinking they deserve a higher standard of living because of the accident of their birth, while simultaneously thinking everyone else can go fuck themselves. What makes it all-the-more galling is that it's not as if this country wasn't stolen by its current inhabitants, so getting on the high horse is pretty rich.


I'm not talking about other countries. I am merely talking about illegal immigrants getting free rides to universities, in this particular case Georgetown, and it being completely wrong. They shouldn't be allowed to harbor illegals. These people shouldn't be here consuming services and funding that could of and should have gone to valid Americans (regardless of color)
 
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I'm not talking about other countries. I am merely talking about illegal immigrants getting free rides to universities, in this particular case Georgetown, and it being completely wrong. They shouldn't be allowed to harbor illegals. These people shouldn't be here consuming services and funding that could of and should have gone to valid Americans (regardless of color)

I would agree with you if this were a state school but it's a private university. They don't have to allow any Americans in.
 
I'm not talking about other countries. I am merely talking about illegal immigrants getting free rides to universities, in this particular case Georgetown, and it being completely wrong. They shouldn't be allowed to harbor illegals. These people shouldn't be here consuming services and funding that could of and should have gone to valid Americans (regardless of color)

We're not talking about all illegal immigrants here, we are talking about ones who have been raised here in this country and have earned the right for further education. The person mentioned in your article has been here since he was 4yrs old. Would you allow him to enlist in the military? Or he just needs to go back to his country of birth?
 
#3 doesn't make harboring illegals legal, regardless of their tradition.

Well, #4 makes them legal. So there's that.

And can you provide a link showing how Georgetown uses DOE funds to pay for scholarships to undocumented students? Thanks in advance.
 
Well, #4 makes them legal. So there's that.

And can you provide a link showing how Georgetown uses DOE funds to pay for scholarships to undocumented students? Thanks in advance.


Not all students fall under #4 of what you cited obviously, else they wouldn't need to create their safe spaces, or keep their housing open during the holidays so that, as they quoted in the article have students stay at the university for fear of being deported once they fly home.

And google it yourself for links on Georgetown funding, or prove that they take absolutely zero money from the federal government in regards to grants, programS, research etc. money that can be used for anything once they get it.
 
We're not talking about all illegal immigrants here, we are talking about ones who have been raised here in this country and have earned the right for further education. The person mentioned in your article has been here since he was 4yrs old. Would you allow him to enlist in the military? Or he just needs to go back to his country of birth?

How does an illegal immigrant earn their right to to use resources for the valid citizens? I would allow him to apply through the normal process honestly.

Also I am not specifically talking about this one person in this article. I am talking about how other universities as states in the article are giving many illegals free rides. It's not just Georgetown.
 
I would agree with you if this were a state school but it's a private university. They don't have to allow any Americans in.

Sure but then they get into this conflict of interest with money they take from the Feds and also harboring illegals in some cases.
 
I'd rather the people go get good jobs and support themselves. And pay for my social security - the ponzi scheme requires new people to pay in.
 
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