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Natebishop3 said:
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh I must have missed the part where it asks you if you're a full blooded member of a tribe or if you're just a little Native Americanish. I didn't realize that you were supposed to check a box based on what your old family lore said might have happened a few hundred years ago. Did she check more than one box or just Native American?
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Didn't realize you were a law professor at Harvard. Well, I'm sure they will allow you to correct your form, now that you understand it better.

barfo
 
Natebishop3 said:
Well..... 1/16 is a damn sight more Native American than 1/64 or 1/1,024.
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Now, I'm not sure, it might be 1/8. Gotta call my aunt in Alabama and ask her. She's my dad's sister and knows all the details.
I remember my father saying that it would have been against the law for me to attend a white school in South Carolina. However, I was born in an Army hospital and they just wrote White on my birth certificate.
 
barfo said:
Didn't realize you were a law professor at Harvard. Well, I'm sure they will allow you to correct your form, now that you understand it better.

barfo
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I'm pretty sure I was a Harvard Law Professor in a past life.

I was also Geronimo and Julius Caesar. Which boxes do I get to check on my next application?
 
santeesioux said:
Well, the Cherokee seem to think there's more there, and I'm willing to bet more tribes will be issuing statements.
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Why would any tribe feel the need to do that? Are they concerned that since one woman said she had a Native ancestor, that there will be a flood of applications for tribal membership?

barfo
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm pretty sure I was a Harvard Law Professor in a past life.

I was also Geronimo and Julius Caesar. Which boxes do I get to check on my next application?
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All of them. Check all the boxes. And all the gender boxes too, that should confuse them.

barfo
 
Natebishop3 said:
To claim that she's Native American? No. She's not. She can definitely claim that she has American Indian heritage, but to claim that she's Native American on any kind of form is pretty ludicrous. I'm sorry.

I'm curious, if a Republican was running saying that they're African American because they have a report showing that they are 1.4% African, how would you feel about that?
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It's virtually impossible that any White Republican would ever admit to being an African American. Maybe 20 years ago but definitely not since Trump took over.
 
barfo said:
Why would any tribe feel the need to do that? Are they concerned that since one woman said she had a Native ancestor, that there will be a flood of applications for tribal membership?

barfo
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You don't see why a minority group that has suffered severe persecution at the hands of white people would care about someone who is 95% European using their Native American heritage to get ahead?
 
Natebishop3 said:
You don't see why a minority group that has suffered severe persecution at the hands of white people would care about someone who is 95% European using their Native American heritage to get ahead?
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The reason I'm so weird about this is I grew up hearing people with blonde hair and blue eyes saying they had Cherokee princesses in their family, it seems to have "triggered" me in my adult life.
 
santeesioux said:
The reason I'm so weird about this is I grew up hearing people with blonde hair and blue eyes saying they had Cherokee princesses in their family, it seems to have "triggered" me in my adult life.
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I can see it.
 
Natebishop3 said:
You don't see why a minority group that has suffered severe persecution at the hands of white people would care about someone who is 95% European using their Native American heritage to get ahead?
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If that actually had happened, sure. But since she didn't use it to get ahead, it's a strawman.
And it's a strawman to go on about the rules for tribal membership, since she never claimed that.
And it would be a strawman for NASA to go on about her lack of astronaut training, since she never claimed to be an astronaut.

barfo
 
Natebishop3 said:
You don't see why a minority group that has suffered severe persecution at the hands of white people would care about someone who is 95% European using their Native American heritage to get ahead?
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Yet again, how did she use this information to get ahead? Just how? She did not, that's how.
 
barfo said:
If that actually had happened, sure. But since she didn't use it to get ahead, it's a strawman.
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She can claim that her motive was pure, but how exactly do we know that she received no advantages from being listed publicly as a racial minority?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren
"In April 2012, The Boston Globe sparked a campaign controversy by reporting that from 1986 to 1995 Warren had listed herself as a racial minority in the Association of American Law Schools (AALS) Directory of Law Teachers.[38]Harvard Law School had identified Warren as a "woman of color" in response to criticisms about a lack of faculty diversity"
 
barfo said:
If that actually had happened, sure. But since she didn't use it to get ahead, it's a strawman.
And it's a strawman to go on about the rules for tribal membership, since she never claimed that.
And it would be a strawman for NASA to go on about her lack of astronaut training, since she never claimed to be an astronaut.

barfo
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How do you know she didn't use it to get ahead?
 
Natebishop3 said:
She can claim that her motive was pure, but how exactly do we know that she received no advantages from being listed publicly as a racial minority?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren
"In April 2012, The Boston Globe sparked a campaign controversy by reporting that from 1986 to 1995 Warren had listed herself as a racial minority in the Association of American Law Schools (AALS) Directory of Law Teachers.[38]Harvard Law School had identified Warren as a "woman of color" in response to criticisms about a lack of faculty diversity"
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tlongII said:
How do you know she didn't use it to get ahead?
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Read the article.

barfo said:
So if anyone but Trump is still interested, the Boston paper is out with a fairly detailed takedown of the idea that Warren got ahead professionally owing to a claim of Native American blood.

I don't expect it will change any minds, but it should.

barfo
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tlongII said:
How do you know she didn't use it to get ahead?
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You're going to have to provide some sort of evidence that she used it to get ahead or not bring up the subject.
 
Natebishop3 said:
She can claim that her motive was pure, but how exactly do we know that she received no advantages from being listed publicly as a racial minority?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Warren
"In April 2012, The Boston Globe sparked a campaign controversy by reporting that from 1986 to 1995 Warren had listed herself as a racial minority in the Association of American Law Schools (AALS) Directory of Law Teachers.[38]Harvard Law School had identified Warren as a "woman of color" in response to criticisms about a lack of faculty diversity"
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Show me some evidence that she used it to get ahead or else let's move on to a more productive topic.
 
tlongII said:
I'm not putting too much faith in the Globe's claim here. I have personally seen publications touting Warren as a "woman of color" in legal academia.
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Well, you would have seen those also if you'd read the article which you don't have much faith in.

The thing is, Harvard promoting her as a professor of color doesn't actually accrue benefits to her. It accrues benefits to Harvard.

barfo
 
Natebishop3 said:
I mean... the whole thing is ridiculous because she's like 95% European (if I'm reading that right?)

How would you react if someone who has a 1.4% African ancestry started saying that they're African American or Black?
https://www.cbs46.com/news/suddenly...cle_d94661c3-c155-547e-8242-0f0a052144cb.html

Here is an interesting study on the genetics of the United States. It's pretty in depth.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289685/
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I wouldn't care at all.

White people invented the one drop rule but it doesn't apply to their own?

My son is 37% Italian 22% European.

He's only 41% Sub Saharan African.. But guess what?

In America he's black.

Here's the thing, if y'all don't like the made up bullshit that "race" is, tear down your construct. Simple. Y'all invented it...
 
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tlongII said:
I'm not putting too much faith in the Globe's claim here. I have personally seen publications touting Warren as a "woman of color" in legal academia.
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Link or it's a damn lie.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Its in the article the very last paragraph. I copied it verbatim from the author's word.

Try reading to the end next time.
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See I'll never trust shit you say because you don't research properly. That's not in the article ... It's the COMMENTS section of her tweet.
 
Natebishop3 said:
1. Dviss said "So it's gone from "she's white" to "she's not native enough". to which I replied "To claim that she's Native American? No. She's not."

So what strawman am I creating? What is she not native enough to do?

2. What was she claiming when she checked the box marked "Native American?"

If you fill out a form that asks you to check a box for your ethnicity, do you usually pick more than one option?
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I don't EVER pick an option. I write in human.
 
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