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I think Giannis is the odds-on favorite to win. In fact, I was mildly surprised that a lot of analysts consider it a fait accompli. I thought sentiment would have LeBron in a closer race. My expectation is that the voting won't be all that close. Giannis by a pretty large margin, LeBron the clear #2 and then some group of players fairly close to one another.

I'd also pick Giannis. LeBron's had a remarkable season, especially considering his age, but Giannis is pretty clearly the best player in basketball now, especially when you factor in defense. If you swapped Middleton (Milwaukee's second best player) with Anthony Davis, the Bucks would be far and away better than the Lakers.
They already are far and away better than the Lakers. Is LeBron the Lakers best player? AD is third league wide in PER. LeBron is like 9th. There’s also an argument that Doncic had had a more impressive season than LeBron.
 
You crack me up man,. When you get on your roll. You just toss stuff out there, it's awesome.
You honestly think I want him to win the MVP ONLY BECAUSE HE LEADS THE LEAGUE IN ASSISTS? Of course not!
You honestly think I want him to win the MVP ONLY BECASUE HE IS 35? Of course not!

It's the complete body of work. LeBron is 35 and has had an amazing season is all I'm saying. Can you imagine his numbers if he played in the east this season. Of course Giannis is right up there, but he's about to get at least 5 more of em! There were a couple seasons LeBron DIDN'T win when he deserved to.

So are you saying Giannnis shouldn’t get MVP because he’ll have many more opportunities? That Lebron should because he’s 35 and won’t?

Sure sounds that way.
 
Great basketball minds think alike......FAMS!
 
Great basketball minds think alike......FAMS!
I know exactly what you're saying, both Dan Patrick and Charles Barkley think the Blazers are going to take out your Lakers in the first round.

Oh and I think LeBron should be MVP. The narrative that Giannis is currently better is out of line. I think LeBron would beat Giannis one on one and there is no question that LeBron is the better team player or better at elevating the game of those around him. The idea that Giannis is a versatile defender and that makes the difference is also bogus because, HELLO, LeBron is the most versatile defender in the history of the league and still can guard anyone at any position on switches or as the primary defender. So how is Greek Freak the best in the game? The other notion I can't get behind is that because LeBron has AD he has a better team than Giannis. Outside of AD the Lakers have a very piecemeal roster (which is why the Blazers will beat them in the first round) whereas the Bucks have a very cohesive rotation with more depth and a lot more guys that are a lot more well rounded as defenders and shooters and playmakers, as opposed to the "specialists" the Lakers rely on.
 
I know exactly what you're saying, both Dan Patrick and Charles Barkley think the Blazers are going to take out your Lakers in the first round.

Oh and I think LeBron should be MVP. The narrative that Giannis is currently better is out of line. I think LeBron would beat Giannis one on one and there is no question that LeBron is the better team player or better at elevating the game of those around him. The idea that Giannis is a versatile defender and that makes the difference is also bogus because, HELLO, LeBron is the most versatile defender in the history of the league and still can guard anyone at any position on switches or as the primary defender. So how is Greek Freak the best in the game? The other notion I can't get behind is that because LeBron has AD he has a better team than Giannis. Outside of AD the Lakers have a very piecemeal roster (which is why the Blazers will beat them in the first round) whereas the Bucks have a very cohesive rotation with more depth and a lot more guys that are a lot more well rounded as defenders and shooters and playmakers, as opposed to the "specialists" the Lakers rely on.
Giannis’ stats are better by a mile (7th best PER all time) and his team has won more games. It’s an open and shut case. LeBron maybe used to be the best defender. Not anymore.
 
Giannis’ stats are better by a mile (7th best PER all time) and his team has won more games. It’s an open and shut case. LeBron maybe used to be the best defender. Not anymore.
It's not in the vicinity of an open and shut case. Come on man, seriously? LeBron's defense hasn't fallen off. Even if Giannis' defense is more flashy that doesn't make it more effective. Giannis' statistics are pretty phenomenal this season but so are LeBron's. On offense LeBron can stretch the floor a lot better than Giannis, he can obviously distribute the ball at a level so far beyond that of Giannis that it is a huge advantage for Lebron, and both guys finish very well inside both driving and posting up. On defense while both guys can defend everywhere, LeBron is definitely better against guards than Giannis but Giannis is a better rim protector and Giannis' numbers would tell you he is the better rebounder. The thing that also has to be taken into consideration is that numbers don't tell the whole story. While Giannis is on a more well rounded team, he is the one and only go to guy whereas LeBron defers to AD a lot, he lets AD get rebounds that LeBron would get if AD weren't there, AD scores a lot on possessions that are AD's meaning LeBron doesn't get a touch. So the stats are misleading. Again, I think LeBron would beat Giannis one on one and there is no question that he is the better team player both in skills and in intangibles like leadership. I think LeBron is the MVP but I won't ruin my credibility by saying it's an open and shut case... it's not a run away by either guy and to say so really does make you sound silly.
 
Giannis’ stats are better by a mile (7th best PER all time) and his team has won more games. It’s an open and shut case. LeBron maybe used to be the best defender. Not anymore.
You don’t agree with your future Hall of Fame point guard and his expert opinion?
 
It's not in the vicinity of an open and shut case. Come on man, seriously? LeBron's defense hasn't fallen off. Even if Giannis' defense is more flashy that doesn't make it more effective. Giannis' statistics are pretty phenomenal this season but so are LeBron's. On offense LeBron can stretch the floor a lot better than Giannis, he can obviously distribute the ball at a level so far beyond that of Giannis that it is a huge advantage for Lebron, and both guys finish very well inside both driving and posting up. On defense while both guys can defend everywhere, LeBron is definitely better against guards than Giannis but Giannis is a better rim protector and Giannis' numbers would tell you he is the better rebounder. The thing that also has to be taken into consideration is that numbers don't tell the whole story. While Giannis is on a more well rounded team, he is the one and only go to guy whereas LeBron defers to AD a lot, he lets AD get rebounds that LeBron would get if AD weren't there, AD scores a lot on possessions that are AD's meaning LeBron doesn't get a touch. So the stats are misleading. Again, I think LeBron would beat Giannis one on one and there is no question that he is the better team player both in skills and in intangibles like leadership. I think LeBron is the MVP but I won't ruin my credibility by saying it's an open and shut case... it's not a run away by either guy and to say so really does make you sound silly.
I guarantee you the voting won’t be close. Giannis’ season has been one of the best of all time and his team won more games. It will be near unanimous.
 
Nobody said he did. Dame thinks LeBron is the league's MVP.

Lillard is a player, though, not a talent evaluator or GM.

Players are notorious for focusing on rep rather than current ability. LeBron is a legend, of course players are going to pick him.
 
Btw- speaking of John Stockton, looking up his stats, he played 19 seasons and didn't miss a single game in 17 of them. Unbelievable right? 16 82 game seasons and 1 50 game season.
 
Btw- speaking of John Stockton, looking up his stats, he played 19 seasons and didn't miss a single game in 17 of them. Unbelievable right? 16 82 game seasons and 1 50 game season.

Yeah, Stockton is one of those players that I've appreciated more and more since he retired. I thought he was a great, star player when he was playing and an obvious Hall of Famer, but I never really appreciated just how mind-blowing his durability and consistency was. He basically played 19 great seasons--he was never as good as a peak Magic Johnson or Steph Curry or Chris Paul, but he basically never had a down season, every season was greatness.
 
Lillard is a player, though, not a talent evaluator or GM.

Players are notorious for focusing on rep rather than current ability. LeBron is a legend, of course players are going to pick him.
So reporters and sports writers are the best evaluators of talent right??? I mean seriously, do you think that the media has a better grip on who the best player is than the players playing against the guys up for MVP?
 
So reporters and sports writers are the best evaluators of talent right??? I mean seriously, do you think that the media has a better grip on who the best player is than the players playing against the guys up for MVP?

I'm saying that Lillard endorsing James for MVP isn't some conclusive point. Sure, reporters get it wrong all the time. So do players. How did Michael Jordan do as a GM? I mean, he played the game. Pretty well, too.
 
I'm saying that Lillard endorsing James for MVP isn't some conclusive point. Sure, reporters get it wrong all the time. So do players. How did Michael Jordan do as a GM? I mean, he played the game. Pretty well, too.
Right, I don't have a problem with people who think that Giannis should be awarded the MVP. I do have a problem with people that think it isn't even close. First of all the numbers are close enough, the intangibles/leadership are something that players pay a lot of attention to and those are obviously a huge strength for LeBron. I actually think it says a lot when the best players in the game speak up and say that they think another of the best is the MVP. It's funny you bring up Jordan because he was another all time great, like LeBron, who lost a few MVP trophies to lesser players. People tried to think of reasons not to give the MVP to Jordan and to give it to Karl Malone twice and Charles Barkley. When we look back at this era it will be obvious that LeBron was playing at a different level than everyone else... in my opinion he still is. I think LeBron should be MVP, I don't think that is ridiculous but I can see an argument for Giannis.
 
Yeah, Stockton is one of those players that I've appreciated more and more since he retired. I thought he was a great, star player when he was playing and an obvious Hall of Famer, but I never really appreciated just how mind-blowing his durability and consistency was. He basically played 19 great seasons--he was never as good as a peak Magic Johnson or Steph Curry or Chris Paul, but he basically never had a down season, every season was greatness.
Oh I think he was better than Chris Paul. It's a toss up with Curry for me. Stockton ran that team in a way Curry never has had to and Stockton was a better defender. Magic went to 9 Finals and won 5 titles so okay, I'll give you that.
 
Right, I don't have a problem with people who think that Giannis should be awarded the MVP. I do have a problem with people that think it isn't even close. First of all the numbers are close enough, the intangibles/leadership are something that players pay a lot of attention to and those are obviously a huge strength for LeBron. I actually think it says a lot when the best players in the game speak up and say that they think another of the best is the MVP. It's funny you bring up Jordan because he was another all time great, like LeBron, who lost a few MVP trophies to lesser players. People tried to think of reasons not to give the MVP to Jordan and to give it to Karl Malone twice and Charles Barkley. When we look back at this era it will be obvious that LeBron was playing at a different level than everyone else... in my opinion he still is. I think LeBron should be MVP, I don't think that is ridiculous but I can see an argument for Giannis.
When the votes are counted, it will be a landslide for Giannis. And I don't see any argument for LeBron. IMHO.
 
This year it’s close..but there was at least a decade or more where, if we’re being honest, LeBron should have gotten it every single year. The media won’t let that happen, but he really was from about 2006-2018.
 

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