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many won't like this but to keep it real there should be a trade Dame option
 
This makes no sense. Why fire Terry without a good replacement? Why trade CJ if there's no good deal? The third option in those two categories should be the only option.
 
KingSpeed said:
This makes no sense. Why fire Terry without a good replacement? Why trade CJ if there's no good deal? The third option in those two categories should be the only option.
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Lol. Some people want Terry and CJ gone regardless. Some only want them gone for 1 or 2 specific replacements. There's a difference.
 
1, fire Neil.

2, fire Terry.

3, hire Billups.

4, have Billups hire Jay Wright.

5, trade CJ to CLE for Hill, Osman, and BKN pick.

6, trade OUR first round pick+ET & Biggie to ORL for Fournier.

7, draft Mikal Bridges.

8, re-sign Ed.

Would suck to have to pay Hill so much but he’s a defensive minded vet at least.
 
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As for CJ: Any player is available for the right deal.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
1, fire Neil.

2, fire Terry.

3, hire Billups.

4, have Billups hire Jay Wright.

5, trade CJ to CLE for Hill, Osman, and BKN pick.

6, trade OUR first round pick+ET & Biggie to ORL for Fournier.

7, draft Mikal Bridges.

8, re-sign Ed.

Would suck to have to pay Hill so much but he’s a defensive minded vet at least.
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I really like Billups, Wright, and Bridges. Don't trade for Fournier though. He's trash defensively.

Maybe:
- Hire Billups and Wright
- Trade CJ, Harkless to New York for 9th Pick, 2020 1st, (Top 5 Protected) & Courtney Lee (Works cap wise assuming Baker, O'Quinn and Kanter opt out)
- Draft Mikal Bridges, Chandler Hutchison
- Trade Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, Caleb Swanigan, 2019 1st to CHI for Omer Asik
- Sign Tyreke Evans 2 years, $35M (Team Option)
- Resign Nurkic and Davis (using cap space MLE after being renounced)

Would like to find a better backup PG. Could use ours and NYKs 2020 1sts


Lillard / Baldwin
Evans / Lee
Bridges / Hutchison
Collins / Aminu
Nurkic / Davis
 
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BonesJones said:
I really like this except. Fournier is absolute garbage defensively, but considering he's replacing Turner, it's fine. Would like to get more for CJ though.
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So would I, but it’s hard to find a team with a good pick who needs a CJ.

Maybe NYK? Hardaway JR+pick?
 
How many times has the Home Court team been swept in a series? Is this a first?
 
I see I am not alone in the A B C group. Hello @honkicracker

I wonder if Neil is begging to get out himself. Seems like he hasn't been able to make a lot of the moves he's wanted to, for whatever reason.

Flipping off Blake was a very bad look from a GM. Maybe Neil has jumped the shark here in Portland.

You've got to admit though (and don't forget scouting doesn't fall solely on NO's shoulders. Shout out to the names out there putting in work, the ones you don't read about) we have drafted fairly well in Neil's Tenure. Good together or not, you can't deny how talented both Dame and CJ are individually. Collins has shocked me, he's really the bright spot of the season, and I think he has to start at 4 next season.

It's the trades that have looked bad. At much of that is in hindsight. Sure, the ET and Meyers contracts are glaring, but who knows how we look if Wes stays healthy and Afflalo comes in to be the bench guy we wanted him to be.

We hit some good talent when we blew it up after LA left. It's that push it over the top part that hasn't panned out.

I'm really on the fence, because I think it's possible he could turn what he's learned from this experiment into success. But if he's not about it anymore then I think the wheels will fall off and we will be in a much longer rebuild than otherwise.

It's ultimately a very touchy time as far as the future of the franchise goes. If it's a game of chess then you are thinking - move the wrong piece and its checkmate, but if you make the right moves...

Is a brand new GM our best bet at doing that properly? Shit man, that's a decision I'm glad I don't have to make.
 
On Stotts

It's not as much on his shoulders as some make it out to be. The problem is, I think some of our guys have out grown him. Like they've learned the lesson and there's nothing more they are getting out of the class. Just "do this better, do that better" instead of "do this instead, do that instead".

He's a good coach, and has taken our team further than many coaches would have in his position. However, I think we are at a new stage, and we need the right fit to push us into the next level. I'm just not sure that Stotts is that fit.

That is why I would only fire Stotts if there is a great replacement.
 
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@Fonzthecpt1 my only major issue with Stotts this year was how he game planned for this series against the Pelicans.
Time outs, substitutions, rotations. Don't really bother me.
His player development is excellent though.
Imagine if Nate was the coach for Collins... Would Collins have even got in the game this year?
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
I see I am not alone in the A B C group. Hello @honkicracker

I wonder if Neil is begging to get out himself. Seems like he hasn't been able to make a lot of the moves he's wanted to, for whatever reason.

Flipping off Blake was a very bad look from a GM. Maybe Neil has jumped the shark here in Portland.

You've got to admit though (and don't forget scouting doesn't fall solely on NO's shoulders. Shout out to the names out there putting in work, the ones you don't read about) we have drafted fairly well in Neil's Tenure. Good together or not, you can't deny how talented both Dame and CJ are individually. Collins has shocked me, he's really the bright spot of the season, and I think he has to start at 4 next season.

It's the trades that have looked bad. At much of that is in hindsight. Sure, the ET and Meyers contracts are glaring, but who knows how we look if Wes stays healthy and Afflalo comes in to be the bench guy we wanted him to be.

We hit some good talent when we blew it up after LA left. It's that push it over the top part that hasn't panned out.

I'm really on the fence, because I think it's possible he could turn what he's learned from this experiment into success. But if he's not about it anymore then I think the wheels will fall off and we will be in a much longer rebuild than otherwise.

It's ultimately a very touchy time as far as the future of the franchise goes. If it's a game of chess then you are thinking - move the wrong piece and its checkmate, but if you make the right moves...

Is a brand new GM our best bet at doing that properly? Shit man, that's a decision I'm glad I don't have to make.
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I think the answer to your question is strictly based on what input Allen has had with Olshey. If he has told Olshey at the last two trade deadlines (keep in mind this team was underachieving at those points both years) to stay under the tax line then I can't really see him then firing Olshey for not adding enough talent. I've maintained my position since the Dame/Allen meeting after Allen said he was worried Dame would want out that Allen agreed that he would be willing to pay the tax starting next season but that the team wasn't in a good enough position to do so at that time this season.

I don't think Olshey wants out. If he does good riddens to him because I can't stand people who's job it is to build something when they bounce after the going gets tough. Until I see proof of that I am going to assume that Olshey is happy here and likes working for Allen. Therefore we will see what happens this summer. If the Blazers go deep into the tax with re-signing free agents, using the tax-MLE, and using the Trade Exceptions then we'll be able to tell that the last two years have been calculated.

I really don't see Allen being okay with a 76ers style approach. The only reason he is okay with it this year with the Seahawks is because they won him a title and he seems to care about football less than basketball plus there was a lot of political stuff with that team as well.
 
honkicracker said:
@Fonzthecpt1 my only major issue with Stotts this year was how he game planned for this series against the Pelicans.
Time outs, substitutions, rotations. Don't really bother me.
His player development is excellent though.
Imagine if Nate was the coach for Collins... Would Collins have even got in the game this year?
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I actually think Nate is similar to Stotts in development and rebuild success. Nate has done a good job in Indiana.

It's just hard for me to tell, because I still kind of think D'Antoni is not s great coach, but he's coached some great teams. I guess it's just not always one way or the other, it's more about the fit of coach and players. Get the right players for a coaches system and you are golden. Maybe we've just structured our roster further away from Terry's system with the lack of wing floor spacing, and 4 floor spacing. But if that's the case then why didn't Zach see Aldridge play calls this season? That's where I feel like sometimes Stotts doesn't always do the best job with time allocation.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
On Stotts

It's not as much on his shoulders as some make it out to be. The problem is, I think some of our guys have out grown him. Like they've learned the lesson and there's nothing more they are getting out of the class. Just "do this better, do that better" instead of "do this instead, do that instead".

He's a good coach, and has taken our team further than many coaches would have in his position. However, I think we are at a new stage, and we need the right fit to push us into the next level. I'm just not sure that Stotts is that fit.

That is why I would only fire Stotts if there is a great replacement.
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I think there’s something to this. A new voice isn’t a bad thing. Coaches get stale. Most guys are not Pop. He’s the exception. Shit Terry lasted longer than most. But I don’t want to make a change just to make a change. There has to be a plan. They have to have someone in mind. Terry wasn’t perfect but he’s still not going to be easy to replace.
 
BonesJones said:
I really like Billups, Wright, and Bridges. Don't trade for Fournier though. He's trash defensively.

Maybe:
- Hire Billups and Wright
- Trade CJ, Harkless to New York for 9th Pick, 2020 1st, (Top 5 Protected) & Courtney Lee (Works cap wise assuming Baker, O'Quinn and Kanter opt out)
- Draft Mikal Bridges, Chandler Hutchison
- Trade Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, Caleb Swanigan, 2019 1st to CHI for Omer Asik
- Sign Tyreke Evans 2 years, $35M (Team Option)
- Resign Nurkic and Davis (using cap space MLE after being renounced)

Would like to find a better backup PG. Could use ours and NYKs 2020 1sts


Lillard / Baldwin
Evans / Lee
Bridges / Hutchison
Collins / Aminu
Nurkic / Davis
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Sorry to burst your bubble Bones but some of this isn't possible under the CBA. I can help you out if you want.
 
hoopsjock said:
I think the answer to your question is strictly based on what input Allen has had with Olshey. If he has told Olshey at the last two trade deadlines (keep in mind this team was underachieving at those points both years) to stay under the tax line then I can't really see him then firing Olshey for not adding enough talent. I've maintained my position since the Dame/Allen meeting after Allen said he was worried Dame would want out that Allen agreed that he would be willing to pay the tax starting next season but that the team wasn't in a good enough position to do so at that time this season.

I don't think Olshey wants out. If he does good riddens to him because I can't stand people who's job it is to build something when they bounce after the going gets tough. Until I see proof of that I am going to assume that Olshey is happy here and likes working for Allen. Therefore we will see what happens this summer. If the Blazers go deep into the tax with re-signing free agents, using the tax-MLE, and using the Trade Exceptions then we'll be able to tell that the last two years have been calculated.

I really don't see Allen being okay with a 76ers style approach. The only reason he is okay with it this year with the Seahawks is because they won him a title and he seems to care about football less than basketball plus there was a lot of political stuff with that team as well.
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Fantastic point, highly plausible. I’m sure Neil didn’t come up with 5 year rebuild plan on his own. Surely that moves through Paul, but maybe we need to trust the process here in rip city.

However if that really were the case, then why is Meyers even on the roster? Why not pay a team to take his contract from us? I don’t think you make that decision unless you have something big and concrete. Realistically in today’s league, what are the odds that they know they have a player they can get wifn that cap room? Can they actually attract a big name here? Why haven’t they found a way to make it happen by now?
 
BonesJones said:
I know the CBA dude. Tell me then....
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Alright, but when you make it big I hope I better be your go to "Cap Guy"...

The Knicks trade: The date for those guys to decide if they are picking up their option or not is June 29th, which is after the draft. Going into the draft it is likely that the Knicks won't know if they will have cap space or not to make a lopsided trade. Therefore there is no way that the Knicks would draft the guy we want not even knowing if they can accept that trade anyway. Even if possible they'd have to renounce the rights to Kanter, O'Quinn, and Baker leaving them very thin up front with no cap space or picks to change that. There are just too many factors here for the Knicks. Best case scenario they have about $25 million in cap space and the difference in this deal (keep in mind you have to use next years salary numbers since the Knicks don't have cap space now) is $24.3 million meaning even if every single variable worked out for this trade it would be very close to not working.
 
Scalma said:
I think there’s something to this. A new voice isn’t a bad thing. Coaches get stale. Most guys are not Pop. He’s the exception. Shit Terry lasted longer than most. But I don’t want to make a change just to make a change. There has to be a plan. They have to have someone in mind. Terry wasn’t perfect but he’s still not going to be easy to replace.
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I agree with everything you just said.

At the same time I feel like Terry was a better coaching fit for Aldridge than Pop is. The coach and player chemistry can’t be Under valued, and chemistry is deeper than whether or not you get along with and or respect each other.

Pop also had some fantastic talent around him. Think about all the players he’s had on his teams over the years. David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Manu, Ginobili, Parker. He’s always had great role players too, like Brent Barry, Steve Kerr, Shawn Elliot.

It’s definitely no cake walk to build a smooth organization capable of competing. We’re definitely closer than most even if we make 0 player or personnel changes. I guess that’s worth something.
 
BonesJones said:
I really like Billups, Wright, and Bridges. Don't trade for Fournier though. He's trash defensively.

Maybe:
- Hire Billups and Wright
- Trade CJ, Harkless to New York for 9th Pick, 2020 1st, (Top 5 Protected) & Courtney Lee (Works cap wise assuming Baker, O'Quinn and Kanter opt out)
- Draft Mikal Bridges, Chandler Hutchison
- Trade Evan Turner, Meyers Leonard, Caleb Swanigan, 2019 1st to CHI for Omer Asik
- Sign Tyreke Evans 2 years, $35M (Team Option)
- Resign Nurkic and Davis (using cap space MLE after being renounced)

Would like to find a better backup PG. Could use ours and NYKs 2020 1sts


Lillard / Baldwin
Evans / Lee
Bridges / Hutchison
Collins / Aminu
Nurkic / Davis
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Bulls trade: First off their owner is a cheapskate. He's not going to take on that much money for one 1st round draft pick. Assuming they renounced Vonleh, waited to sign LaVine until after this trade, and kept guys like Zipser and Nwaba for cheap then they can probably get to about $30 million in cap space so technically it's possible but our pick a year away is not worth all that cap space to them.
 
The Signings: Lets say we got to this point in your scenario despite everything I just said about the Knicks and Bulls. Assuming we waited to sign Nurk we'd have just enough to sign Evans to the deal you presented, although I'll ignore that I don't know why he'd accept another short term deal like that. Do you know what happens when you go under the cap? Bye bye MLE. You don't get it anymore. The only thing we'd have is the Room Exception which is expected to be $4.4 million. Do you think Davis would sign for that? No way, we'd be super thin for bigs (I think we could still keep PapaG in your scenario though). We'd have to fill out 3 spots with vet min players.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
Fantastic point, highly plausible. I’m sure Neil didn’t come up with 5 year rebuild plan on his own. Surely that moves through Paul, but maybe we need to trust the process here in rip city.

However if that really were the case, then why is Meyers even on the roster? Why not pay a team to take his contract from us? I don’t think you make that decision unless you have something big and concrete. Realistically in today’s league, what are the odds that they know they have a player they can get wifn that cap room? Can they actually attract a big name here? Why haven’t they found a way to make it happen by now?
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Meyers: Makes no sense to use a draft pick to get rid of him. It doesn't give us space to sign someone else and we lose the one asset we do have that even you said Olshey is good at. Although we don't know if they tried to do something like this either as it's possible the pick wasn't worth other teams taking on that contract.

Free Agents: It's just not going to happen unless we massively overpay for a guy who will then be vilified for making too much money (see Turner).
 
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