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Vince Carter has been playing well lately, in spite of ankle problems…and he is averaging 21.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg and 4.5 apg, a little less than he did last year. The problem is that the Nets are 11-15 and trying to find something to get them back in contention. Marc Stein quotes the “GM grapevine” as saying the Nets would rather move Carter than Jefferson or Kidd, but his new contract makes it difficult.

http://www.netsdaily.com/?p=5278
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Dec 22 2007, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince Carter has been playing well lately, in spite of ankle problems…and he is averaging 21.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg and 4.5 apg, a little less than he did last year. The problem is that the Nets are 11-15 and trying to find something to get them back in contention. Marc Stein quotes the “GM grapevine” as saying the Nets would rather move Carter than Jefferson or Kidd, but his new contract makes it difficult.

http://www.netsdaily.com/?p=5278</div>


two years too late. No one is going to take Carter. I see New Jersey is finally seeing the truth. If their sole purpose of signing Carter was to have a star when they moved to Brooklyn was stupid. They are expected to make this move in 2010 by that time Carter will be going on 33. Plus Vince popularity is not really healthy.

He is not really the highlight machine. Nike cancel his signature shoes due to poor sales. His Jersey is not actually flying off the sales.

this should have been done a while ago
 
I don't know how much to believe that, but with that being said...I don't know how much they could get for him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Dec 22 2007, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince Carter has been playing well lately, in spite of ankle problems…and he is averaging 21.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg and 4.5 apg, a little less than he did last year. The problem is that the Nets are 11-15 and trying to find something to get them back in contention. Marc Stein quotes the “GM grapevine” as saying the Nets would rather move Carter than Jefferson or Kidd, but his new contract makes it difficult.

http://www.netsdaily.com/?p=5278</div>


two years too late. No one is going to take Carter. I see New Jersey is finally seeing the truth. If their sole purpose of signing Carter was to have a star when they moved to Brooklyn was stupid. They are expected to make this move in 2010 by that time Carter will be going on 33. Plus Vince popularity is not really healthy.

He is not really the highlight machine. Nike cancel his signature shoes due to poor sales. His Jersey is not actually flying off the sales.

this should have been done a while ago
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Word? If yes,can you back it up?
 
Thorn wouldn't be doing his job if he wasn't looking for what kind of return his players can get him. It's nothing personal or a reflection of how VC's played for us but i'm sure Thorn would like to turn his contract into something more manageable as well as beneficial to our win total. Whether he'll be able to will be a true test of his ability to get somehow figure out a way of getting our unwanted players traded because that deal is no drop in the ocean.
 
VC to the Clippers for Maggette, and Tim Thomas.

The Clippers need another swing and they want to keep brand.

Cassell/Cut/VC/Brand/Kaman

Nets:

Kidd/RJ/Maggette/Sean/Boone
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Dec 22 2007, 10:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 10:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Dec 22 2007, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince Carter has been playing well lately, in spite of ankle problems…and he is averaging 21.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg and 4.5 apg, a little less than he did last year. The problem is that the Nets are 11-15 and trying to find something to get them back in contention. Marc Stein quotes the “GM grapevine” as saying the Nets would rather move Carter than Jefferson or Kidd, but his new contract makes it difficult.

http://www.netsdaily.com/?p=5278</div>


two years too late. No one is going to take Carter. I see New Jersey is finally seeing the truth. If their sole purpose of signing Carter was to have a star when they moved to Brooklyn was stupid. They are expected to make this move in 2010 by that time Carter will be going on 33. Plus Vince popularity is not really healthy.

He is not really the highlight machine. Nike cancel his signature shoes due to poor sales. His Jersey is not actually flying off the sales.

this should have been done a while ago
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Word? If yes,can you back it up?

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it was in the issue of kicks this year.

The offspring of Slam magazine. The question was can any superstar carry a shoe the way Jordan once did?

Lebron is shoes are more known for the commercials instead of the shoe.

Reebok who gave Allen Iverson a life time contract have used him in other ways instead of just advertising his own shoe.

More recently is Adidas recently ad "it takes five" Instead of just focusing on one star as they were doing with T-mac (which wasn't helping either) they went to focus on all of their stars and new addition Dwight Howard.

Ben Wallace is with Steph line of shoes.

I can't type everything from memory but go to www.slamonline.com should still be there.
 
I think there gonna have problems getting anything for Vince. There is a limited market for a guy like Carter...off the top of my head maybe chicago, cleveland, maybe new york...that's about it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 22 2007, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think there gonna have problems getting anything for Vince. There is a limited market for a guy like Carter...off the top of my head maybe chicago, cleveland, maybe new york...that's about it.</div>
Ya Chitown,they wont give anything more than gordon.Ppl talkin' about how overpaid vince is,RJ is way overpad than him.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Dec 22 2007, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 22 2007, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think there gonna have problems getting anything for Vince. There is a limited market for a guy like Carter...off the top of my head maybe chicago, cleveland, maybe new york...that's about it.</div>
Ya Chitown,they wont give anything more than gordon.Ppl talkin' about how overpaid vince is,RJ is way overpad than him.
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There both overpaid...most of this league is...I think the man problem though is that while there both overpaid RJ will still be playing at a relatively high level at the end of his contract while Carter will be what 34 or 35? I think age is the biggest issue.

As for Gordon...I actually would love him on this team, he is an excellent shooter and would help stretch defenses...I think Thorn would want Selfosha too though.
 
As long as they send him to a good team, I don't give a f**k. Wherever vince goes, that's the team i'll be watching.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 22 2007, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Dec 22 2007, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 22 2007, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think there gonna have problems getting anything for Vince. There is a limited market for a guy like Carter...off the top of my head maybe chicago, cleveland, maybe new york...that's about it.</div>
Ya Chitown,they wont give anything more than gordon.Ppl talkin' about how overpaid vince is,RJ is way overpad than him.
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There both overpaid...most of this league is...I think the man problem though is that while there both overpaid RJ will still be playing at a relatively high level at the end of his contract while Carter will be what 34 or 35? I think age is the biggest issue.

As for Gordon...I actually would love him on this team, he is an excellent shooter and would help stretch defenses...I think Thorn would want Selfosha too though.
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LOL,we already know the truth.RJ will never be a go to guy on a winning team in this league.VC is what Chitown needs.
 
AI(20 mill), Kidd(20 mill), Marbury(20 mill), Marion (16 mill), Nash (11 mill), Pierce (16 mill), Allen (16 mill), Redd (14.5 mill) , Francis (16 mill), Rashard Lewis (16 mill), Lamar Odom (13.5 mill), Bibby (13.5 mill), are guards who all make more than Carter(13 mill).
 
hopefully we can get rid of vince and get anything positive back.

what scares me is what vince will look like in years 3 and 4 of this contract. its scary to watch him now, i dont want to see him in 3 or 4 years. it would be different if vince was a human highlight reel and was filling up the arena, but he has fallen rather quickly.

if we could get capspace from vince that would be great, but im not sure if ratner is going to allow vince to be traded. someone has to be the face of brooklyn.

vince is a nice guy and i try to root for him because he is a nice guy and a net, but he just pisses me off way too many times. plus if we can trade vince and we continue to stink i would then not mind trading kidd since carter is gone. one thing i do not want is for kidd to be traded and we keep carter. i dont want to be stuck with him and his contract...which is what every other team should be thinking too.

im sure if vince is traded he will play well like he did here in NJ when he arrived, but we will be better off if we can move him.

maybe our buddy Stefanski can give us something for vince!! c'mon, ed help your friends out!!!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King John da FiF @ Dec 22 2007, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As long as they send him to a good team, I don't give a f**k. Wherever vince goes, that's the team i'll be watching.</div>

ditto. I will be watching for sure as well. This is very very exciting news. I hope he leaves
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaxaMillion711 @ Dec 22 2007, 12:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King John da FiF @ Dec 22 2007, 11:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As long as they send him to a good team, I don't give a f**k. Wherever vince goes, that's the team i'll be watching.</div>

ditto. I will be watching for sure as well. This is very very exciting news. I hope he leaves

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As do I. Maybe we'll get someone who actually cares about winning.


I really don't see why any team would want him. No one showed in interest during the offseason, so why now? Perhaps the Clippers, but if Thorn doesn't make the right deal then you can expect Kidd to protest.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Dec 22 2007, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>AI(20 mill), Kidd(20 mill), Marbury(20 mill), Marion (16 mill), Nash (11 mill), Pierce (16 mill), Allen (16 mill), Redd (14.5 mill) , Francis (16 mill), Rashard Lewis (16 mill), Lamar Odom (13.5 mill), Bibby (13.5 mill), are guards who all make more than Carter(13 mill).</div>

Kidd is a PG, Marbury is a PG, Marion is a SF/PF, Pierce is a SF, Francis is a PG, Bibby is a PG, Lamar Odom is a SF, Rashard Lewis is a SF.

The only SG on this list are AI, Allen and Redd...AI is overpaid. Allen is a Reggie Miller type player as his game is based off his ability to shoot the ball at an amazing percentage and he is worth it. Redd may be overpaid.

Also the term overpaid can be used to describe paying a player off of prior numbers when they are aging (Vince is what almost 31 years old..) as there numbers are in the begining of a decline.
 
I have no idea what they could get back for him, or who would want him for that matter.
 
New Jersey Nets

Incoming Players
Photo: Chuck Hayes
Chuck Hayes
Salary: $1,750,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 3.4 REB: 6.1 AST: 0.8 PER: 11.81
Photo: Kirk Snyder
Kirk Snyder
Salary: $2,358,433 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 5.2 REB: 1.8 AST: 1.2 PER: 16.47
Photo: Shane Battier
Shane Battier
Salary: $5,883,600 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 8.2 REB: 4.7 AST: 1.7 PER: 9.55
Photo: Steve Francis
Steve Francis
Salary: $2,439,333 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 5.5 REB: 2.3 AST: 3.0 PER: 9.42

Outgoing Players: Vince Carter
Houston Rockets

Incoming Players
Photo: Vince Carter
Vince Carter
Salary: $13,325,000 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 21.2 REB: 5.2 AST: 4.5 PER: 19.84

Outgoing Players: Chuck Hayes, Kirk Snyder, Shane Battier, Steve Francis
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Dec 22 2007, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>New Jersey Nets

Incoming Players
Photo: Chuck Hayes
Chuck Hayes
Salary: $1,750,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 3.4 REB: 6.1 AST: 0.8 PER: 11.81
Photo: Kirk Snyder
Kirk Snyder
Salary: $2,358,433 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 5.2 REB: 1.8 AST: 1.2 PER: 16.47
Photo: Shane Battier
Shane Battier
Salary: $5,883,600 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 8.2 REB: 4.7 AST: 1.7 PER: 9.55
Photo: Steve Francis
Steve Francis
Salary: $2,439,333 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 5.5 REB: 2.3 AST: 3.0 PER: 9.42

Outgoing Players: Vince Carter
Houston Rockets

Incoming Players
Photo: Vince Carter
Vince Carter
Salary: $13,325,000 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 21.2 REB: 5.2 AST: 4.5 PER: 19.84

Outgoing Players: Chuck Hayes, Kirk Snyder, Shane Battier, Steve Francis</div>

I don't know why they would do that, but I like it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Dec 22 2007, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Dec 22 2007, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>New Jersey Nets

Incoming Players
Photo: Chuck Hayes
Chuck Hayes
Salary: $1,750,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 3.4 REB: 6.1 AST: 0.8 PER: 11.81
Photo: Kirk Snyder
Kirk Snyder
Salary: $2,358,433 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 5.2 REB: 1.8 AST: 1.2 PER: 16.47
Photo: Shane Battier
Shane Battier
Salary: $5,883,600 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 8.2 REB: 4.7 AST: 1.7 PER: 9.55
Photo: Steve Francis
Steve Francis
Salary: $2,439,333 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 5.5 REB: 2.3 AST: 3.0 PER: 9.42

Outgoing Players: Vince Carter
Houston Rockets

Incoming Players
Photo: Vince Carter
Vince Carter
Salary: $13,325,000 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 21.2 REB: 5.2 AST: 4.5 PER: 19.84

Outgoing Players: Chuck Hayes, Kirk Snyder, Shane Battier, Steve Francis</div>

I don't know why they would do that, but I like it.
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They are in the same boat we are in but they are closer to a title. They won't trade Yao and shouldn't They will get nothing for T-Mac the same way we would get nothing for Carter.

This way they shake things up by adding another playmaker.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Dec 22 2007, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>New Jersey Nets

Incoming Players
Photo: Chuck Hayes
Chuck Hayes
Salary: $1,750,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 3.4 REB: 6.1 AST: 0.8 PER: 11.81
Photo: Kirk Snyder
Kirk Snyder
Salary: $2,358,433 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 5.2 REB: 1.8 AST: 1.2 PER: 16.47
Photo: Shane Battier
Shane Battier
Salary: $5,883,600 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 8.2 REB: 4.7 AST: 1.7 PER: 9.55
Photo: Steve Francis
Steve Francis
Salary: $2,439,333 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 5.5 REB: 2.3 AST: 3.0 PER: 9.42

Outgoing Players: Vince Carter
Houston Rockets

Incoming Players
Photo: Vince Carter
Vince Carter
Salary: $13,325,000 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 21.2 REB: 5.2 AST: 4.5 PER: 19.84

Outgoing Players: Chuck Hayes, Kirk Snyder, Shane Battier, Steve Francis</div>
Bad trade.Why would u take shane battier when you already have rj on ur team? Francis?
 
Change in Team Outlook: +12.7 ppg, +2.4 rpg, and +2.7 apg.
Incoming Players
Daequan Cook
6-5 SG from Ohio State
8.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 19.0 minutes
Alonzo Mourning
6-10 C from Georgetown
5.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 15.6 minutes
Ricky Davis
6-7 SG from Iowa
14.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.6 apg in 36.0 minutes
Jason Williams
6-1 PG from Florida
8.7 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 5.4 apg in 31.4 minutes
Outgoing Players
Darrell Armstrong
6-1 PG from Fayetteville State
2.1 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 11.8 minutes
Jamaal Magloire
6-11 C from Kentucky
2.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 13.0 minutes
Vince Carter
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
21.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 4.5 apg in 37.3 minutes
Miami Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -12.7 ppg, -2.4 rpg, and -2.7 apg.
Incoming Players
Darrell Armstrong
6-1 PG from Fayetteville State
2.1 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 11.8 minutes
Jamaal Magloire
6-11 C from Kentucky
2.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 0.4 apg in 13.0 minutes
Vince Carter
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
21.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 4.5 apg in 37.3 minutes
Outgoing Players
Daequan Cook
6-5 SG from Ohio State
8.8 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 19.0 minutes
Alonzo Mourning
6-10 C from Georgetown
5.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.3 apg in 15.6 minutes
Ricky Davis
6-7 SG from Iowa
14.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.6 apg in 36.0 minutes
Jason Williams
6-1 PG from Florida
8.7 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 5.4 apg in 31.4 minutes

Why?

Daquen Cook is a talented young player...he could be a starter down the road but if not with the expiring contracts of Jason Williams, Ricky Davis and Alonzo Mourning we can make a helpful signing on the Free Agent market this offseason.

Why do the Heat do this? Well the problem with the Heat is while they could and still might want to let the contracts expire and and look on the free agent market they have Shaq. He makes 20 mil a year for the next few years and to throw this year away when he will prolly be worse next year is foolish. Vince would give them a guy who could go for 20 plus next to Wade and along with Shaq account for 60+ a night in three players. Darrell Armstrong could contribute solid defense and help offensively with his jumper. Jamal Magliore has shown no decline but is not getting enought minutes. On the Heat he could spell Shaq in the way Alonzo did and would keep Shaq from always worrying about foul trouble.

*Heat would have to throw in a first as well. To quote Turtle form Entourage "Vince is a Star"
 
I've never understood how some people care more about a player than the team. Ridiculous. It's a team sport, not a one man show.
 
Another Possibilty

Change in Team Outlook: -0.8 ppg, -2.0 rpg, and +0.8 apg.
Incoming Players
Malik Allen
6-10 PF from Villanova
5.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.9 apg in 17.3 minutes
Vince Carter
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
21.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 4.5 apg in 37.3 minutes
Outgoing Players
Thabo Sefolosha
6-5 SG from Switzerland (Foreign)
2.8 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.1 minutes
Ben Gordon
6-3 SG / PG from Connecticut
17.5 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 2.8 apg in 35.7 minutes
Joe Smith
6-10 PF from Maryland
7.4 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 18.0 minutes
New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +0.8 ppg, +2.0 rpg, and -0.8 apg.
Incoming Players
Thabo Sefolosha
6-5 SG from Switzerland (Foreign)
2.8 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 1.1 apg in 12.1 minutes
Ben Gordon
6-3 SG / PG from Connecticut
17.5 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 2.8 apg in 35.7 minutes
Joe Smith
6-10 PF from Maryland
7.4 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 0.7 apg in 18.0 minutes
Outgoing Players
Malik Allen
6-10 PF from Villanova
5.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.9 apg in 17.3 minutes
Vince Carter
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
21.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 4.5 apg in 37.3 minutes

Bring in Ben Gordon as our new starting SG, better compliment to RJ as he is a better pure shooter than Vince. Thabo Selfosha becomes our new 6th man as I think he is a better swingman already than Wright (Chicago just to deep to show it) and Joe Smith replaces Allen in the mix at PF.

For Chicago. Vince gives them a scorer who is more consistent than anyone on there roster, a player to mentor Loul Deng and honestly someone to jumpstart a team that has been even more disappointing than us so far. The earlier trade talk with Kobe killed this team and with Kobe unlikely to move and an expensive Center in Wallace needing help to take them to the next level Vince may just be the answer.
 
Cleveland

Change in Team Outlook: +2.4 ppg, +1.4 rpg, and +0.7 apg.
Incoming Players
Vince Carter
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
21.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 4.5 apg in 37.3 minutes
Outgoing Players
Shannon Brown
6-3 SG from Michigan State
8.4 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.6 apg in 18.1 minutes
Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from St. Louis
10.4 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.2 apg in 27.3 minutes
2008 first round pick
New Jersey Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: -2.4 ppg, -1.4 rpg, and -0.7 apg.
Incoming Players
Shannon Brown
6-3 SG from Michigan State
8.4 ppg, 1.4 rpg, 1.6 apg in 18.1 minutes
Larry Hughes
6-5 SG from St. Louis
10.4 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.2 apg in 27.3 minutes
2008 first round picked
Outgoing Players
Vince Carter
6-6 SG / SF from North Carolina
21.2 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 4.5 apg in 37.3 minutes

Why for Cleveland...well Larry Hughes does get hurt and Shannon Brown is still just potentially good where as Vince is very good now and Lebron needs help also having another star to market with Lebron would further help there franchise

Larry Hughes is a decent player and hopefully Kidd would make him better. Shannon Brown is better than Antione Wright and fits into our teams style of play. The first rounder would help to better prepare for our future in Brooklyn either to combine with ours and trade up or to select two young players for next season.
 
Just a few ideas...
1)Chicago
2)Miami
3)Cleveland

I'd do any of the three.
although I'm content to not trade them and make a minor trade of Magliore to get bench depth; but only if that meant we'd get a new coach who would better utilize these players.
 
Nets trade: Vince Carter, Malik Allen

Magic trade: Carlos Arroyo, Keith Bogans, J J Redick, Pat Garrity
 

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