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One has per 36 averages of 14/11/.6blks PER of 14.8

Other has per 36 averages of 14/14/1blk PER of 15.3

Both totals from last year. It's funny to me that people who so quickly discard one, think the other is a gold mine.

Overall the gold mines simple numbers are worse
 
Didn't really need these rankings to tell me this, but putting our roster up in a list like that just reveals how awful we will be this season. CJ might be our second best player.

Do we have any players outside of Dame who are even top 15 at their position?
 
One has per 36 averages of 14/11/.6blks PER of 14.8

Other has per 36 averages of 14/14/1blk PER of 15.3

Both totals from last year.

Overall the gold mines simple numbers are worse

There's something called the eye test. They have both been in the league for three years. One is a year younger than the other and has shown marked improvement in multiple areas of his game. The other, a year older, has shown absolutely zero improvement in any area of his game and has bounced around from team to team to team (now on his 6th NBA team).

Since you like stats (when they serve your purpose), consider this: Meyers Leonard put up a PER = 19.6 in the playoff series against Memphis, who has one of the best front courts in the entire NBA. That's an improvement in PER of 27.4 over his previous year's playoff performance. Yes, this is a small sample size (106 minutes), but what, exactly, has Thomas Robinson accomplished in a similar sample size (122 minutes) of post season play? Anyone who can't see the improvement Meyers Leonard has made has his head firmly and stubbornly buried in the sand (or some other dark place).

There's a reason 5 teams have given up on Thomas Robinson. He has shown no significant improvement in any aspect of his game. He still relies on his athleticism (admittedly, he's very impressive athletically) to make an occasional spectacular play block or dunk), but is still the same fundamentally flawed project he was when he was drafted. He blows defensive assignments, doesn't know the offensive plays, doesn't have a single low post move, makes stupid, unforced turnovers, commits stupid fouls and can't make a FT to ave his life.

Does Meyers Leonard also blow defensive assignments and commit stupid fouls and turnovers? Hell yes (but at least he makes his FTs), but he has shown improvement in these areas. During his first and second seasons, looked like a deer in the headlights. During his third season, and especially the playoffs, Meyers Leonard actually looked like he belongs on an NBA court.

It's funny to me that people who so quickly discard one, think the other is a gold mine.

Those people who so quickly discard one, include 5 NBA GMs who have traded, cut are let him walk. The person's opinion that matters, has decided the gold mine was worth hanging onto. So far, he looks to be right.

Bottom line: Meyers Leonard is a year younger and has shown significant improvement. Thomas Robinson has not. That's why one's stock is trending up and the other's stock is trending down.

BNM
 
Honestly, MM's point still stands. Neither has had a good season of basketball. In fact, Biebs hasn't been in anyone's rotation for an entire year. While I am optimistic that he will show that he's a good player given the chance to be in a rotation for all of this year, I am a blazer homer. The idea that he has a lot of trade value right now seems like a dubious proposition, regardless of his rep around here.

There's something called the eye test. They have both been in the league for three years. One is a year younger than the other and has shown marked improvement in multiple areas of his game. The other, a year older, has shown absolutely zero improvement in any area of his game and has bounced around from team to team to team (now on his 6th NBA team).

Since you like stats (when they serve your purpose), consider this: Meyers Leonard put up a PER = 19.6 in the playoff series against Memphis, who has one of the best front courts in the entire NBA. That's an improvement in PER of 27.4 over his previous year's playoff performance. Yes, this is a small sample size (106 minutes), but what, exactly, has Thomas Robinson accomplished in a similar sample size (122 minutes) of post season play? Anyone who can't see the improvement Meyers Leonard has made has his head firmly and stubbornly buried in the sand (or some other dark place).

There's a reason 5 teams have given up on Thomas Robinson. He has shown no significant improvement in any aspect of his game. He still relies on his athleticism (admittedly, he's very impressive athletically) to make an occasional spectacular play block or dunk), but is still the same fundamentally flawed project he was when he was drafted. He blows defensive assignments, doesn't know the offensive plays, doesn't have a single low post move, makes stupid, unforced turnovers, commits stupid fouls and can't make a FT to ave his life.

Does Meyers Leonard also blow defensive assignments and commit stupid fouls and turnovers? Hell yes (but at least he makes his FTs), but he has shown improvement in these areas. During his first and second seasons, looked like a deer in the headlights. During his third season, and especially the playoffs, Meyers Leonard actually looked like he belongs on an NBA court.



Those people who so quickly discard one, include 5 NBA GMs who have traded, cut are let him walk. The person's opinion that matters, has decided the gold mine was worth hanging onto. So far, he looks to be right.

Bottom line: Meyers Leonard is a year younger and has shown significant improvement. Thomas Robinson has not. That's why one's stock is trending up and the other's stock is trending down.

BNM
 
Honestly, MM's point still stands. Neither has had a good season of basketball. In fact, Biebs hasn't been in anyone's rotation for an entire year. While I am optimistic that he will show that he's a good player given the chance to be in a rotation for all of this year, I am a blazer homer. The idea that he has a lot of trade value right now seems like a dubious proposition, regardless of his rep around here.

My original point has nothing to do with his "rep around here". His ranking of 159 (moving up from 356) has NOTHING to do with the opinions of posters in this forum. It's based on a poll of over 100 media members on the expected quality and quantity of each player's contributions in the upcoming season. Those same 100+ voters ranked Thomas Robinson 271, down from 241 last year. It's not just the perception of the posters on this forum that Meyers Leonard has improved significantly and Thomas Robinson has't. That's the consensus around the league.

BNM
 
My original point has nothing to do with his "rep around here". His ranking of 159 (moving up from 356) has NOTHING to do with the opinions of posters in this forum. It's based on a poll of over 100 media members on the expected quality and quantity of each player's contributions in the upcoming season. Those same 100+ voters ranked Thomas Robinson 271, down from 241 last year. It's not just the perception of the posters on this forum that Meyers Leonard has improved significantly and Thomas Robinson has't. That's the consensus around the league.

BNM
No disagreement here, but I'll still be less anxious after he spends a whole season in the rotation.
 
No disagreement here, but I'll still be less anxious after he spends a whole season in the rotation.

Again, I was comparing him to Thomas Robinson who also hasn't spent an entire in anyone's rotation.

Yeah, Meyers is kind of the flavor of the month after his breakout playoff series against MEM. Sure that's a very small sample size (as was his regular season performance in APR (9.4 PPG, 7.9 RPG in 22.2 MPG). So, his performance is certainly trending upward. The good news is the more minutes he gets, the more his numbers go up. For most guys who have never been part of a rotation, the trend is usually in the other direction. Guys who pad their stats during garbage time see their numbers go down when playing meaningful minutes against quality competition. Meyers' best numbers came in his most meaningful minutes against top notch competition. So, that's encouraging, but no guarantee the trend will continue upward. Guess we'll see.

BNM
 
Didn't really need these rankings to tell me this, but putting our roster up in a list like that just reveals how awful we will be this season. CJ might be our second best player.

Do we have any players outside of Dame who are even top 15 at their position?
Finally! Somebody else sees the light and isn't blinded by their fandom! The truth shall set you free FAMS!
 
Do we have any players outside of Dame who are even top 15 at their position?

Plumlee is a top 15 center. Unfortunately, center is the least important position in today's NBA. So, that might not mean much.

BNM
 
I did get asked to work a few Laker preseason games last week. $$$$$

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So, Henderson and Vonleh at 176 and 194. It will be interesting to see where Batum gets ranked. After his season long shooting slump last year, he should move way down, but is still, apparently the second best player n Charlotte's roster. Doesn't really matter, we didn't get Vonleh for the immediate impact he'll have this year. It will be interesting to see how far Vonleh moves up the list in 3 or 4 years when he's still only 22 - 23 years old.

BNM

Batum is sandwiched between Al Jefferson and MKG. Pretty big gap there so hard to say where he lands.

Looking at the team lists, Brooklyn has three people yet to be ranked. In comparison, Boston has ten players better than their fourth ranked player. Boston has Brooklyn's draft rights for the near future too. Ouch!
 
Ed Davis gets rated 140. No other players from 131-139.

Two other centers got rated today with Pekovic at 133 and Nurkic at 134. At the price we have him at for the next three years, he is a steal.
 
Plumlee is at 128 and listed at PF. Wished we would have been able to grab Wright for the price Memphis got him. He is ranked #130 and great value.
 
We will not see any other player till Lillard and he is the last.
Wow. Only the Blazers don't have at least two players ranked in their top 120. I suspect that's because the "experts" can't predict which of our many players will expand their output commensurate with their increased opportunity.

I plan to compare these rankings to the season-end "value-added" figures in ESPN's Hollinger stats. I'll be highly surprised if none of our guys join Lillard in the top 120 at season's end.
 
Wow. Only the Blazers don't have at least two players ranked in their top 120. I suspect that's because the "experts" can't predict which of our many players will expand their output commensurate with their increased opportunity.

I plan to compare these rankings to the season-end "value-added" figures in ESPN's Hollinger stats. I'll be highly surprised if none of our guys join Lillard in the top 120 at season's end.
I'm cool with it. Basically, the whole team, Dame included has a lot of upside. We have 5 or so ranked as NBA starters. In a year several of those will rank as very good starters.
 
I looked for the first time. Every team except us has at least 2 players in the top 120. (The Spurs have 7.) Our only player above #128 (Plumlee) is Lillard.

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13723434/team-team

I'm new to this. I'm headed for Nevada to bet that we get the first pick in the draft.
 
112. Terrence Jones
Houston Rockets | PF

This makes me really sad. Remember how Aldridge completely destroyed Terrence Jones in that HOU series? Well, according to the consensus, Jones would now be our second best player. Man, that's depressing. Hopefully, that will no longer be true a year from now. If it is, who is considered the likely No. 1 pick in 2017?

BNM
 

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