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BonesJones said:
LMAO. CJ and DAME gets you 5th in the west. AD gets you nowhere. Thank God you're not Neil cuz that's insane.
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Ok, so build your team around CJ&Dame and be happy about it because you're not getting Durant,Curry or Lebron. By all means, play it safe and don't make any risky moves.

Garnett didn't take the Wolves anywhere until he got Sam and Spreewell. Where did MJ take that Bulls before he had a good team around him? only disappointments and sweeps.

Keeping CJ and Dame while adding Boogie is actually my preferred move, but that's not good for people on this board either because Cousins is not a saint.

You people are impossible.:cleanup:
 
Blazers Roy said:
Yea, while Damien and CJ cost 2x more and have EXCELLENT medical sheets.
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You can argue several things but Damien and CJ don't cost 2x as much combined as AD, and as for Dame/CJ injury they'v both broken their foot and thats the only real big injuries they have had while AD keeps having different injury after different injury.
 
Blazers Roy said:
Ok, so build your team around CJ&Dame and be happy about it because you're not getting Durant,Curry or Lebron. By all means, play it safe and don't make any risky moves.

Garnett didn't take the Wolves anywhere until he got Sam and Spreewell. Where did MJ take that Bulls before he had a good team around him? only disappointments and sweeps.

Keeping CJ and Dame while adding Boogie is actually my preferred move, but that's not good for people on this board either because Cousins is not a saint.

You people are impossible.:cleanup:
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CJ and Dame had about as much help as AD. Look at the difference. If Davis was worth trading a superstar leader, borderline all-star and a proven big then he should be able to at least will his team to the playoffs. Instead, they finish some 20 games under .500
 
Blazers Roy said:
Keeping CJ and Dame while adding Boogie is actually my preferred move, but that's not good for people on this board either because Cousins is not a saint.

You people are impossible.:cleanup:
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Nice strawman. I'd like Boogie on the squad just as much as you do if not more. The problem is we'd have to trade CJ to get him. Otherwise someone like Boston can put a way better package together with all those draft picks.
 
BonesJones said:
CJ and Dame had about as much help as AD. Look at the difference. If Davis was worth trading a superstar leader, borderline all-star and a proven big then he should be able to at least will his team to the playoffs. Instead, they finish some 20 games under .500
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I love Lillard, but he's not a superstar, you've seen him against Chris Paul.
Plumlee is a nice starting Center, but he is not a rim protector nor is he physically imposing enough to stop several opponent Centers in the league.

Davis had as much help as Damien and CJ? you serious mang? he had no PG and Gordon was injured half the season in a guard driven league. Who was his partner in the front court? Ajinca? Asik?

Davis is only 23 and has a bright future ahead, him not leading a bad team AND a mickey mouse club to the playoffs doesn't mean anything.

The Pelicans arena is called "Smoothie King Center" , just think about it for a minute.
 
Blazers Roy said:
I love Lillard, but he's not a superstar, you've seen him against Chris Paul.
Plumlee is a nice starting Center, but he is not a rim protector nor is he physically imposing enough to stop several opponent Centers in the league.

Davis had as much help as Damien and CJ? you serious mang? he had no PG and Gordon was injured half the season in a guard driven league. Who was his partner in the front court? Ajinca? Asik?

Davis is only 23 and has a bright future ahead, him not leading a bad team AND a mickey mouse club to the playoffs doesn't mean anything.

The Pelicans arena is called "Smoothie King Center" , just think about it for a minute.
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Stop giving him cover. He's not a leader. He can come here and be #2 tho.
 
Rhal said:
You can argue several things but Damien and CJ don't cost 2x as much combined as AD, and as for Dame/CJ injury they'v both broken their foot and thats the only real big injuries they have had while AD keeps having different injury after different injury.
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Davis and Lillard were drafted at the same time and are under the same contract basically, CJ is going to sign a MAX contract under the new cap space, meaning Lillard and CJ are going to cost even more than twice combined.

I won't delve any deeper into guessing future injuries since many injuries are unpredictable.
 
dviss1 said:
Stop giving him cover. He's not a leader. He can come here and be #2 tho.
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If he had a good #2, a good Center next to him,a good coach and someone like Kyle Lowrie at the point then he'd have success and you'd call him a leader, because a leader is only as good as his soldiers.

Kobe looked like a leader without Shaq and Gasol? hell no, he was just an asshole bossing everybody around.
 
Blazers Roy said:
If he had a good #2, a good Center next to him,a good coach and someone like Kyle Lowrie at the point then he'd have success and you'd call him a leader, because a leader is only as good as his soldiers.

Kobe looked like a leader without Shaq and Gasol? hell no, he was just an asshole bossing everybody around.
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Anthony Davis is supposed to be a transformational LeBron type of player. Because of that I will hold him to the same standard. LeBron had nobody on his team (Ilgauskas? Mo?) when he made it to the finals. AD can't even make the playoffs...
 
dviss1 said:
Nice strawman. I'd like Boogie on the squad just as much as you do if not more. The problem is we'd have to trade CJ to get him. Otherwise someone like Boston can put a way better package together with all those draft picks.
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You don't know if Boston is even interested in Cousins, he doesn't seem like a Brad Stevens player.

I don't think Cousins' stock is very high right now, he has a bad boy reputation after all.
I'd try to offer them something along the lines of:
Plumlee,Crabbe,Harkless\Aminu + draft picks and maybe we absorb a bad contract from a third team for another asset the Kings want.
 
dviss1 said:
Anthony Davis is supposed to be a transformational LeBron type of player. Because of that I will hold him to the same standard. LeBron had nobody on his team (Ilgauskas? Mo?) when he made it to the finals. AD can't even make the playoffs...
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Different eras,different situations.
You can have your opinion, but i'm not quick to form a bad impression on players who play for a franchise with a bad GM+bad teammates+mediocre coach+shitty crowds.
 
dviss1 said:
Anthony Davis is supposed to be a transformational LeBron type of player. Because of that I will hold him to the same standard. LeBron had nobody on his team (Ilgauskas? Mo?) when he made it to the finals. AD can't even make the playoffs...
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He pushed his team into the playoffs last year, in a far tougher conference than those Cleveland teams you reference had to deal with. This year, about 75% of his team was injured.
 
Blazers Roy said:
If he had a good #2, a good Center next to him,a good coach and someone like Kyle Lowrie at the point then he'd have success and you'd call him a leader, because a leader is only as good as his soldiers.

Kobe looked like a leader without Shaq and Gasol? hell no, he was just an asshole bossing everybody around.
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Wrong. A mediocre leader is only as good as its soldiers. A good leader makes his soldiers better.
 
I think the point of confusion or difference is this.

#1 option vs leader.

They don't need to be the same. Davis can be a #1 option on this team while Dame maintains leadership. I think Dame is smart enough and giving enough to give that #1 option up, knowing he will still be the one dictating the game on the floor. Davis would just need to keep his trap shut, lead the league in rebounds and points in the paint and let Dame run the show and we would have two all stars with a third borderline in CJ.

Same could be said with Cousins. Problem is, how do you get either one without giving up Dame or CJ?
 
Blazers Roy said:
Ok, so build your team around CJ&Dame and be happy about it because you're not getting Durant,Curry or Lebron. By all means, play it safe and don't make any risky moves.

Garnett didn't take the Wolves anywhere until he got Sam and Spreewell. Where did MJ take that Bulls before he had a good team around him? only disappointments and sweeps.

Keeping CJ and Dame while adding Boogie is actually my preferred move, but that's not good for people on this board either because Cousins is not a saint.

You people are impossible.:cleanup:
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It's not sainthood he's lacking, it's intelligence and maturity.
 
Blazers Roy said:
Davis and Lillard were drafted at the same time and are under the same contract basically, CJ is going to sign a MAX contract under the new cap space, meaning Lillard and CJ are going to cost even more than twice combined.

I won't delve any deeper into guessing future injuries since many injuries are unpredictable.
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CJ is going to sign a max after one good year, I'm not so sure on that one unless he goes into RFA. As for future injuries Anthony Davis has played in 64/68/67/61, thats in his first 4 years and thats all different injuries. AD needs to prove he can stay healthy.
 
Orion Bailey said:
First of all It's Damian.

Second off.... WTF are you talking about???
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You know exactly what i'm talking about. Lillard is a shoot-first point guard, he does not make other players better so your comment was irrelevant.
 
Also because i'm not sure if CJ is being undervalued here or not but here is a list of all players in the NBA who scored 20p on at least 40% from 2 and 35% from 3. http://bkref.com/tiny/LhjWZ. Not a very large list.
 
Blazers Roy said:
You know exactly what i'm talking about. Lillard is a shoot-first point guard, he does not make other players better so your comment was irrelevant.
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That sentence is just befuddling. Your "shoot first" PG is also 9th in the league in assists. There are very few PG's who are assists machines now and Lillard most definetly makes players better, just having him on the floor opens up passing lanes and gets people open because of the attention D's put on him. Thats not all he does but it really doesn't' seem like I should have to go into it.
 
Rhal said:
Also because i'm not sure if CJ is being undervalued here or not but here is a list of all players in the NBA who scored 20p on at least 40% from 2 and 35% from 3. http://bkref.com/tiny/LhjWZ. Not a very large list.
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I'm a fan of CJ and Damien, i don't want to see them gone.

If i were the GM then keeping them both would not make sense, but as a fan it's a privilege to watch these 2 entertaining guards each night.
 
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Blazers Roy said:
You know exactly what i'm talking about. Lillard is a shoot-first point guard, he does not make other players better so your comment was irrelevant.
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What specifies a shoot-first point guard?

Westbrook had 10 assists a game, and I would consider him a shoot (OKC out of games) first PG.

There's shoot-first PG's, stat padders, and players that actually helps their team.

Dame actually helps his team more often than not. If he limits his shot selection to not-off-balance 3's he's good. That's legit my only beef with him is when he takes early in the clock off balance 3's, and he'll take them whether up or down in the game.

That said, I would not want any other PG in the league for this team. There's no debate.
 
Blazers Roy said:
I'm a fan of CJ and Damien, i don't want to see them gone.

If i was the GM then keeping them both would not make sense, but as a fan it's a privilege to see these 2 entertaining guards each night.
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I'm not ready to give up on it yet with the way the league is going. It seems horrible defensively, this year hasn't been pretty, but i'd give them another year before deciding to trade CJ unless an offer that I couldn't pass up came along.
 
Rhal said:
That sentence is just befuddling. Your "shoot first" PG is also 9th in the league in assists. There are very few PG's who are assists machines now and Lillard most definetly makes players better, just having him on the floor opens up passing lanes and gets people open because of the attention D's put on him. Thats not all he does but it really doesn't' seem like I should have to go into it.
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Agreed on all counts. It seems like simple logic, doesn't it?
 
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