ESPN says Dame is 7th on the player ranking list

[Natebishop3]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...rry-chris-broussard-player-power-rankings-nba

7. Damian Lillard

Portland Trail Blazers
Pos: PG
RPM: 2.65 (No. 51)
MVP odds: 150-1

His shockingly low RPM notwithstanding, Dame D.O.L.L.A. is making folks pay for all sorts of snubs -- not recruiting him out of high school, leaving him off of top-five PG lists and, of course, failing to name him to the All-Star team.

With a chip on his shoulder the size of his hometown of Oakland, he's averaged 33.7 points since the All-Star break. More importantly, he's got the team everybody left for dead playing some of the league's best ball and in the thick of the Western Conference playoff race.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I had to refresh my memory what RPM was. Real Plus Minus.

Dame is shockingly low. 51st in the NBA. 2.65 is also only 9th for PGs.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

To me Dame's defense has improved greatly this year but maybe not enough to help with this stat because it doesn't seem he is playing with other scrub players. That would be more McCollum.

RPM: Player's estimated on-court impact on team performance, measured in net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions. RPM takes into account teammates, opponents and additional factors

 

[B-Roy]

His RPM is terrible..... Which says more about RPM than it does about Dame.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

His RPM is terrible..... Which says more about RPM than it does about Dame.

The top 5 RPM guys are Curry, Westbrook, Kawhi, Draymond Green and LeBron.

Looks like who I would expect to be at the top to me.

 

[Natebishop3]

His RPM is terrible..... Which says more about RPM than it does about Dame.

Yup. I feel like Stotts' defensive scheme might play a large part in that.

 

[PDXFonz]

What has Dames RPM been in this recent stretch though? It's understandable his RPM would be low from struggles earlier in the season. He had a few games with big -#'s if I remember correctly.

 

[PDXFonz]

Also RPM is a made up stat by ESPN loosely based on the +/- system. I'm not a huge +/- guy, definitely not an RPM guy...

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Also RPM is a made up stat by ESPN loosely based on the +/- system. I'm not a huge +/- guy, definitely not an RPM guy...

I not big on individual plus minus either. That stat is garbage. Which is why they are trying to make up a new stat like RPM that works better imo.

It is easy to spot a junk stat to me. When the top 5 guys are Curry, Westbrook, Kawhi, Draymond Green and LeBron then that stat seems to paint a decent picture. Who would you expect to be top 5?

I think Nate has it close. He is probably low due to our defensive scheme.

 

[B-Roy]

The top 5 RPM guys are Curry, Westbrook, Kawhi, Draymond Green and LeBron.

Looks like who I would expect to be at the top to me.

It's another one of these stats that tries to grade an individual player based on their team success. The Spurs are inherently a better than than us, they have more talent and better players. Same with the Warriors. But take Kawhi Leonard and swap him with Damian Lillard and I bet you see those two players switch places on the RPM rankings.

Oh, and the fact that ESPN doesn't even release how they calculate RPM, yeah I'm calling bullshit.

 

[PDXFonz]

I not big on individual plus minus either. That stat is garbage. Which is why they are trying to make up a new stat like RPM that works better imo.

It is easy to spot a junk stat to me. When the top 5 guys are Curry, Westbrook, Kawhi, Draymond Green and LeBron then that stat seems to paint a decent picture. Who would you expect to be top 5?

I think Nate has it close. He is probably low due to our defensive scheme.

Do you know exactly how it's calculated though?

This article gives a very loose explanation...

Drawing on advanced statistical modeling techniques (and the analytical wizardry of RPM developer Jeremias Engelmann, formerly of the Phoenix Suns), the metric isolates the unique plus-minus impact of each NBA player by adjusting for the effects of each teammate and opposing player.

 

[Draco]

Damian is 8th on offensive RPM.

Problem is he is 414 of 445 on defensive RPM.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Damian is 8th on offensive RPM.

Problem is he is 414 of 445 on defensive RPM.

So the eye test says he has really improved on D this year. Maybe the eyes are misleading a bit.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Do you know exactly how it's calculated though?

This article gives a very loose explanation...

I posted their explanation in the quote above. It isn't complete though. They do leave some things up to only them.

 

[Natebishop3]

Damian is 8th on offensive RPM.

Problem is he is 414 of 445 on defensive RPM.

Exactly. Dame isn't the 414th best defender in the league. I think there's been a lot of content lately about Stotts' system, and I imagine that Lillard's numbers are suffering because of how we scheme defensively.

 

[Draco]

RPM is really good. Its sort of a plus minus but they have a team of stat personell trying to correct for teammates, minutes, opponent, matchup, roles on the team, basically everything they can. Yeah it has some glaring quirks such as Damian but overall its more useful than most stats. Might be the single best stat out there if you had to pick one.

Guys like Ed Davis, CJ and Aminu ranked really well on it last year; partly why Kevin Pelton thought we'd be one of the better lottery teams and maybe fight for a playoff spot.

 

[Draco]

So the eye test says he has really improved on D this year. Maybe the eyes are misleading a bit.

The defensive RPM is kind of odd too because its dominated by centers and bigs. Besides Kawhi all of the players in the top40 are C's and PF's.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

The defensive RPM is kind of odd too because its dominated by centers and bigs. Besides Kawhi all of the players in the top40 are C's and PF's.

Then they do need to work on that stat a bit.

 

[Draco]

Interesting RPM note; Mason Plumlee is the highest ranked Blazers at +3.70 which is 28th in the NBA.

Ed Davis is right below Dame at +2.49 ranked #53.
CJ is +1.66 ranked #72
Aminu is +1.42 ranked #80

I agree in that Mason and Ed are our 3rd and 4th best player.

Odd how we have two great point guards and two great centers. Somehow it works!

 

[Pinwheel1]

So the eye test says he has really improved on D this year. Maybe the eyes are misleading a bit.

When in doubt, I say go with your eyes.

 

[B-Roy]

RPM is really good. Its sort of a plus minus but they have a team of stat personell trying to correct for teammates, minutes, opponent, matchup, roles on the team, basically everything they can. Yeah it has some glaring quirks such as Damian but overall its more useful than most stats. Might be the single best stat out there if you had to pick one.

Basically they tell us it removes a lot of noise......by telling us nothing about how it's calculated. How can we verify their assumptions without just taking it for face value?

Yeah, you're going to have to work a lot harder if you want to convince me DeAndre Jordan is the 7th best player in the league and Mason Plumlee is 28th.

 

[rasheedfan2005]

"hey dame, curry not only tastes better, he quenches your thirst better, idiot"
"use it on the field"

 

[Draco]

Former Blazers;
#86 Nic Batum +1.12
#96 LaMarcus Aldridge +0.97
#162 JJ Hickson -0.23
#163 Robin Lopez -0.24
#178 Wesley Matthews -0.58
#357 Aaron Afflalo -2.97
#381 Steve Blake -3.28
#437 Mo Williams -5.68

Can Stotts get a multi-year coach of the year?

 

[Natebishop3]

Former Blazers;
#86 Nic Batum +1.12
#96 LaMarcus Aldridge +0.97
#162 JJ Hickson -0.23
#163 Robin Lopez -0.24
#178 Wesley Matthews -0.58
#357 Aaron Afflalo -2.97
#381 Steve Blake -3.28
#437 Mo Williams -5.68

Can Stotts get a multi-year coach of the year?

Adam Silver - "We are retroactively naming Terry Stotts COTY for 2015 and 2014 as well.

 

[Draco]

Adam Silver - "We are retroactively naming Terry Stotts COTY for 2015 and 2014 as well.

I wonder if this helps our ability to keep restricted free agents. Teams might say 'its just Terry's coaching and system'.

Sort of similar to the Spurs keeping Danny Green, Patty Mills, Boris Diaw for so cheap.

 

[Eastoff]

Does this stat matter that Damian is replaced by Cj?

 

[Natebishop3]

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=14885822

Broussard was very complimentary about Dame and the team. They even argued about whether maybe Dame should be above Chris Paul on the list, and he said that Dame/CJ might be the second best backcourt in the league behind Curry/Klay.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=14885822

Broussard was very complimentary about Dame and the team. They even argued about whether maybe Dame should be above Chris Paul on the list, and he said that Dame/CJ might be the second best backcourt in the league behind Curry/Klay.

The only maybe on not being 2nd is if you give Toronto the tiebreaker so he isn't saying anything earth-shattering. At worst we are 3rd.

 

[PDXFonz]

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=14885822

Broussard was very complimentary about Dame and the team. They even argued about whether maybe Dame should be above Chris Paul on the list, and he said that Dame/CJ might be the second best backcourt in the league behind Curry/Klay.

Did multiple sources tell him that Dame has scored 30 points a lot this season?

 

[Natebishop3]

Did multiple sources tell him that Dame has scored 30 points a lot this season?

*sauces

 

[tlongII]

Former Blazers;
#86 Nic Batum +1.12
#96 LaMarcus Aldridge +0.97
#162 JJ Hickson -0.23
#163 Robin Lopez -0.24
#178 Wesley Matthews -0.58
#357 Aaron Afflalo -2.97
#381 Steve Blake -3.28
#437 Mo Williams -5.68

Can Stotts get a multi-year coach of the year?

Damn. What the hell happened to Afflalo?