ESPN Top 500 Player Rankings

[THE HCP]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9680298/2013-nba-player-rankings-401-500

And here we go.......

#500 Royce White
#467 Shav Randolph
#462 Lamar Odom

 

[KingSpeed]

Scott Machado over Carrick Felix? What a joke.

 

[Rhal]

Didn't they already do this?

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[THE HCP]

Didn't they already do this?

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Don't know, buy this is being done LIVE right now.


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[THE HCP]

Scott Machado over Carrick Felix? What a joke.

I'd agree with you, but I have no idea who either of those players are.


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[Natebishop3]

My how Lamar Odom has fallen.... this is what happens when you marry a Kardashian.

 

[Boob-No-More]

My how Lamar Odom has fallen.... this is what happens when you marry a Kardashian.

Small sample size. We still need to see where Kris Humphries checks in. I'm guessing his stock will be down, too. Last year his minutes and production were both down substantially from the previous year.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Joel Freeland checking in at 441!!! Go Blazers!

BNM

 

[THE HCP]

Some guy named Aaron Baynes is ranked higher as a PF than Joel! Ouch!

 

[THE HCP]

#434 Sasha Pavlovic
#433 Ronnie Price

Man was our bench shitty last year!

 

[THE HCP]

#425 Chris Johnson
#422 Victor Claver
#412 Allen Crabbe

 

[Boob-No-More]

#422 Victor Claver

Up from #460 last year! Another couple years of this type of improvement and he might make a decent 12th man (#360).

BNM

 

[THE HCP]

#393 The Ghost Faced Killa Joel Przybilla

 

[THE HCP]

#387 Ex-Blazer Jeff Withey

 

[Draco]

#387 Ex-Blazer Jeff Withey

25 spots higher than the earlier picked Crabbe. I still think Withey would've been more useful to us this season than Meyers Leonard.

 

[Boob-No-More]

25 spots higher than the earlier picked Crabbe. I still think Withey would've been more useful to us this season than Meyers Leonard.

Doesn't matter. The ENTIRE reason NOP wanted Withey was that as a 2nd round draft pick he had ZERO cap hold. Meyers Leonard would have counted as $2,126,520 against their cap and would have prevented them from signing Tyreke Evans which was the WHOLE point of them trading us Robin Lopez for table scraps.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

It will be interesting to see where the "experts" rank Leonard.

BNM

 

[Draco]

Doesn't matter. The ENTIRE reason NOP wanted Withey was that as a 2nd round draft pick he had ZERO cap hold. Meyers Leonard would have counted as $2,126,520 against their cap and would have prevented them from signing Tyreke Evans which was the WHOLE point of them trading us Robin Lopez for table scraps.

BNM

If it doesn't matter to you then don't reply. It matters to me how the team I root for maximizes the value of their assets and reaching for a project center with a lottery pick could end up being a mistake. If I want to compare Leonard and Withey throughout the season I'm free to do so. The Blazers could've easily constructed a trade that NOP would agree to while keeping the rights to a crappy second round draft pick like Withey. Withey was a throw in just like the other dozen second round picks the team has packaged in or out of trades the last few years. Did the Blazers sell the asset of Withey when it was over valued, correctly valued, or undervalued? Did the Blazers buy the asset of Meyers at a price that was over valued, correctly valued or undervalued? That is what I'm interested in and every month we get a tiny bit of that answer.

If I trade an old beater Chevy and $20k for a new Honda the next month I can still review if I got good value for the Chevy. I don't need some smart ass telling me I'd be riding the bus if I sold the car.

 

[HailBlazers]

25 spots higher than the earlier picked Crabbe. I still think Withey would've been more useful to us this season than Meyers Leonard.

You think Withey will translate to the NBA right away huh? Man I don't know. I am excited though to see what Meyers can throw down in a well rounded second unit with a year under his belt.

 

[Draco]

You think Withey will translate to the NBA right away huh? Man I don't know. I am excited though to see what Meyers can throw down in a well rounded second unit with a year under his belt.

It's not that I'm high on Withey, its that I think the biggest role missing for the Blazers off the bench is an interior defender. I don't think Meyers has any chance of filling that role, he is basically Matt Bonner with more upside. A player with Withey skillset and 4 years of college had a real opportunity to provide 10 mpg of defensive contributions. This roster has players with offensive skills and you don't always need 5 of those on the court. If we need an interior presence off the bench do we turn to the terrible Joel Freeland or playing Thomas Robinson as an undersized center?

 

[Boob-No-More]

If it doesn't matter to you then don't reply. It matters to me how the team I root for maximizes the value of their assets and reaching for a project center with a lottery pick could end up being a mistake. If I want to compare Leonard and Withey throughout the season I'm free to do so. The Blazers could've easily constructed a trade that NOP would agree to while keeping the rights to a crappy second round draft pick like Withey. Withey was a throw in just like the other dozen second round picks the team has packaged in or out of trades the last few years. Did the Blazers sell the asset of Withey when it was over valued, correctly valued, or undervalued? Did the Blazers buy the asset of Meyers at a price that was over valued, correctly valued or undervalued? That is what I'm interested in and every month we get a tiny bit of that answer.

If I trade an old beater Chevy and $20k for a new Honda the next month I can still review if I got good value for the Chevy. I don't need some smart ass telling me I'd be riding the bus if I sold the car.

Jesus dude, WTF? I was just pointing out the FACT that including Meyers Leonard, because of his salary, could not have been included in the NOP trade. The Blazers never made a Leonard vs. Withey decision. They specifically requested Withey for salary cap reasons. I would have been happy to give them either Leonard or Withey to get Lopez, but the whole purpose of the trade was to dump salary and clear cap space to sign Tyreke Evans.

While you're making all your other comparisons, you may also want to try this one:

Which would you rather have:

Starting Center: Robin Lopez
Back-up Center: Meyers Leonard

Starting Center: Meyers Leonard
Back-up Center: Jeff Withey

I actually like Withey's defensive potential too, and I said I thought he was a good value pick where we drafted him. But you have to give up something to get something and giving up Withey to get Robin Lopez was a small price to pay to get the legitimate starting center LaMarcus requested in his exit interview.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

It's not that I'm high on Withey, its that I think the biggest role missing for the Blazers off the bench is an interior defender. I don't think Meyers has any chance of filling that role, he is basically Matt Bonner with more upside. A player with Withey skillset and 4 years of college had a real opportunity to provide 10 mpg of defensive contributions. This roster has players with offensive skills and you don't always need 5 of those on the court. If we need an interior presence off the bench do we turn to the terrible Joel Freeland or playing Thomas Robinson as an undersized center?

Actually, LaMarcus Aldridge will be our back-up center for ~10 minutes a game. As he said in his exit interview, he just wanted a legitimate NBA center with a big body to bang down low for 25 minutes a game. Lopez gives him that. Leonard will still get ~12 minutes a game, but when the game is on the line, it will be Lopez or Aldridge playing the 5 spot. Stotts has the option to go big with Lopez/Aldridge or small with Aldridge/Robinson, or really small with Aldridge/Batum/Matthews/Williams/Lillard - depending on the match-ups and situation. He can also make offensive/defensive substitutions late in the game with Lopez at the center on defense and Aldridge and four 3-point shooters when we need a score.

BNM

 

[Draco]

Jesus dude, WTF? I was just pointing out the FACT that including Meyers Leonard, because of his salary, could not have been included in the NOP trade. The Blazers never made a Leonard vs. Withey decision. They specifically requested Withey for salary cap reasons. I would have been happy to give them either Leonard or Withey to get Lopez, but the whole purpose of the trade was to dump salary and clear cap space to sign Tyreke Evans.

While you're making all your other comparisons, you may also want to try this one:

Which would you rather have:

Starting Center: Robin Lopez
Back-up Center: Meyers Leonard

Starting Center: Meyers Leonard
Back-up Center: Jeff Withey

I actually like Withey's defensive potential too, and I said I thought he was a good value pick where we drafted him. But you have to give up something to get something and giving up Withey to get Robin Lopez was a small price to pay to get the legitimate starting center LaMarcus requested in his exit interview.

BNM

Your talking about the value of Meyers and Withey going to only a single team in a single trade at one specific moment. I'm not interested in that tiny view; I'm interested in more. Their acquisition cost to the team, their production for a team going forward, the difference in their production when compared with each other, their roles on a team, and their trade value at a future point in time. I'm especially interested in their current value compared to their acquisition cost.

 

[THE HCP]

#379 Will Barton

 

[THE HCP]

How the mighty have fallen

#378 Michael Beasley

 

[Eastoff]

Your talking about the value of Meyers and Withey going to only a single team in a single trade at one specific moment. I'm not interested in that tiny view; I'm interested in more. Their acquisition cost to the team, their production for a team going forward, the difference in their production when compared with each other, their roles on a team, and their trade value at a future point in time. I'm especially interested in their current value compared to their acquisition cost.

I'm with BNM, i think you're being unrealistic and too hypothetical. There was a good trade offered to us and it had to cost us Withey for Lopez. You don't decline that kind of a trade in hopes of a better coming along.

 

[Draco]

I'm with BNM, i think you're being unrealistic and too hypothetical. There was a good trade offered to us and it had to cost us Withey for Lopez. You don't decline that kind of a trade in hopes of a better coming along.

Oh I agree I think the Lopez trade was a good deal.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Funny, I think Withey will be available next year if we really want him.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I saw a lot of Withey this year. I like him. I thought he was a steal in the draft. I couldn't believe he fell so far, so I was definitely disappointed we dealt him. But I do the deal for Lopez every single day of the week at this point. If we were trading LMA, maybe I don't make the deal for Lopez as it'd feel like we were rebuilding.

That being said, I won't be shocked if he doesn't have much of a career.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I saw a lot of Withey this year. I like him. I thought he was a steal in the draft. I couldn't believe he fell so far, so I was definitely disappointed we dealt him. But I do the deal for Lopez every single day of the week at this point. If we were trading LMA, maybe I don't make the deal for Lopez as it'd feel like we were rebuilding.

That being said, I won't be shocked if he doesn't have much of a career.

Even if we were rebuilding, I'd still probably do the Lopez trade. Lopez is less than 2 years older than Withey, and a proven NBA starting center. His game does not rely (at all) on athleticism, it relies on his size - which isn't going to diminish anytime soon. Lopez will still likely be an above average starting center when Lillard, Batum, McCollum, etc. are all in their primes.

That's one of the reasons Lopez is such a good fit. In addition to giving us the big body starting center to bang down low for 25 minutes a game, that LaMarcus requested in his exit interview, Lopez is young enough to fit well with the rest of our roster.

BNM