ESPN WARP rankings......

[THE HCP]

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11369866/nba-projecting-top-10-point-guards-warp-2014-15

PGs

1-CP3
2-WestBroke
3-Curry
4-Wall
5-Kyrie
6-Lowry
8-Conley
9-Rubio
10-Lawson

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Lowry ranked higher than Lillard? HA HA HA!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

They should call it What Almost Nobody Knows.

 

[Rhal]

At least the guy's upfront that these rankings are completely based off of warp and nothing else. Im not a fan of using one single statistic and saying this stat proves how good or bad this player is. There is no one stat that shows a players full impact.

 

[Strenuus]

At least the guy's upfront that these rankings are completely based off of warp and nothing else. Im not a fan of using one single statistic and saying this stat proves how good or bad this player is. There is no one stat that shows a players full impact.

Unless you're talking about Meyers Leonard... then every single stat tells the full impact.

Signed,
-Consensus of S2.

 

[blue9]

At least the guy's upfront that these rankings are completely based off of warp and nothing else. Im not a fan of using one single statistic and saying this stat proves how good or bad this player is. There is no one stat that shows a players full impact.

Butbutbut, what about...PER?

 

[Rhal]

Butbutbut, what about...PER?

Dont get me started on PER!

 

[Strenuus]

Butbutbut, what about...PER?

To some, It's the PERfect stat.

Ah, Ah... come on, you loved it.

 

[blue9]

To some, It's the PERfect stat.

Ah, Ah... come on, you loved it.

[slow clap]

 

[blue9]

Dont get me started on PER!

I'm right there with ya. It's my single most hated stat - and here I use the term "stat" loosely.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[magnifier661]

A true evaluator in talent use these stats in combination with others. Also, they determine the actual role of the players.

Example: a defensive player doesn't need PER to show their value.

Lazy scouting is using meaningless individual stats to value a player

 

[Mediocre Man]

In before someone whines about Lillard being too low.

Oops, too late

 

[Strenuus]

In before someone whines about Lillard being too low.

Oops, too late

No one said he was too low, they said Lowry was too high. So, your statement would still be true.

 

[santeesioux]

 

[THE HCP]

Centers
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/stor...mond-leads-projected-rank-top-10-centers-warp

1-Drummond
2-Cousins
3-Howard
4-Noah
5-Monroe
6-Jordan
7-Gasol
8-Jefferson
9-Hibbert
10-Horford

14-Robin Lopez

 

[THE HCP]

Shooting Guards

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/stor...rojecting-top-10-shooting-guards-warp-2014-15

1-Harden
2-Wade
3-Ellis
4-Jimmy Butler??
5-Dion Waiters !!??
6-Tyreke Evans
7-Oladipo
8-Klay Thompson
9-Ginobli
10- Lance Stevenson

14-Wes Matthews

What the hell is this list!!!!!???

 

[THE HCP]

Power Forwards

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11384089/nba-projecting-top-10-power-forwards-warp-2014-15

1-Davis
2-Love
3-Griffin
4-Milsap
5-J Smith
7- Thad Young
8-Ibaka
9-Farried
10-Amir Johnson

 

[THE HCP]

Small Forwards

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11380516/nba-projecting-top-10-small-forwards-warp-2014-15

1-'Bron
2-KD
3-'Melo
4-Hayward!!??
6-Giannis Antetokounmpo!!??
7-Iggy
8-Kawhi
9-Parsons
10-Gay

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Isn't "Wins over replacement" just as much a measure of how crappy your bench is?

 

[THE HCP]

Isn't "Wins over replacement" just as much a measure of how crappy your bench is?

Exactly!

 

[THE HCP]

Some of these rankings seem very obvious, but I'm not sure how much I can respect them when somebody like Dion Waiters is ranked higher than ANYBODY!

 

[Boob-No-More]

These are also projections, not actual stats. For example, he thinks a coaching change is going to send Josh Smith's WARP skyrocketing from 1.6 to 9.8. Maybe the coaching change also comes with a brain transplant for J-Smoove.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Don't know who this Doolittle cat is, but even the guy who invented WARP, Kevin Pelton, can't use it to accurately predict the future. Here's Pelton's take on our 2012 draft based on projected WARP:

"4. Portland Trail Blazers (3.0 expected, 4.2 actual, +1.1)
The Blazers came out about even on their pair of lottery picks. Once his performance at Weber State is translated for strength of schedule and age, Lillard is slightly on the weak side for a No. 6 pick, while Meyers Leonard scored well at No. 11. Portland added a third intriguing prospect at the 40th selection with Memphis wing Will Barton, a capable scorer and fine rebounder who could easily have gone in the first round."

Yeah, so much for the accuracy of projected WARP.

BNM

 

[jlprk]

We have a 7-foot Iverson.

http://bkref.com/tiny/pvHtF