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Rick don't know where to start. Jeter and Rose are too low.
 
First off, I exclude ALL Deadball era players when making comparisons with "modern" post WW2/integration era players.
To be honest, I barely consider players (in those comparisons) who didn't begin their careers at or around end of DeadBall Era.

They just have to be left with their contemporaries for obvious reasons including a couple of overlooked factors: different rules and philosophy.
IMO, the talking heads just have to let it go.....leave them in their own category.

I stopped after Lou Boudreau...Halladay.
One memorable season in a good career (Boudreau) doesn't make my all time great player list...same for Roy Halladay and his post season no hitter.

He was a very good pitcher who was dominant for a couple seasons...nothing more,nothing less.

I'll look at the rest of their list.
 
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These things are like Grammy Awards, Miss Spunky Pop Bitch may have won the Grammy but I buy the records of my personal favorite Miss Get Down and Bop. I will agree on #1 though, Ruth was the man who put baseball back on track, established the Yankee Franchise, and when thinking Yankees the first player that come to mind.
 
Yankeefan5545 said:
These things are like Grammy Awards, Miss Spunky Pop Bitch may have won the Grammy but I buy the records of my personal favorite Miss Get Down and Bop. I will agree on #1 though, Ruth was the man who put baseball back on track, established the Yankee Franchise, and when thinking Yankees the first player that come to mind.
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Gehrig at #11 is a joke. And Joe Morgan ahead of Joe DiMaggio?
 
I love me some Felix, but I have a hard time say that, if his career ended today, he's in the top 125 of baseball history. Of course I think he's on track to be a HoF'er, but if you asked me 20 years ago I would've said the same thing about Edgar.

That said, shouldn't Jeter (and I'm by no means a fanboi of his, but you gotta respect the game) be higher than 31? At LEAST higher than Pujols and ARod, right?
 
Jeter at 31
Rose at 38
Seaver at 22
Gwynn at 63
Marichal at 71
Palmer at 90

And not in the top 100....

Catfish Hunter, Early Wynn, Ralph Kiner & Carl Hubbell

Also not in the top 100 & loving it are.....

David Ortiz & Curt Schilling.
 
Jeters statistical rankings has to put him in the top 20. Same with Rose. Gehrig is too low too. The Morgan ranking was comical. Where were bonds and Aaoron?
 
totus44 said:
Jeters statistical rankings has to put him in the top 20. Same with Rose. Gehrig is too low too. The Morgan ranking was comical. Where were bonds and Aaoron?
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Bonds was 3rd & Aaron was 5th.
 
Rick2583 said:
Jeter at 31
Rose at 38
Seaver at 22
Gwynn at 63
Marichal at 71
Palmer at 90

And not in the top 100....

Catfish Hunter, Early Wynn, Ralph Kiner & Carl Hubbell

Also not in the top 100 & loving it are.....

David Ortiz & Curt Schilling.
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No offense Rick but, why the heck would you even consider bigmouth shitface Schilling on this list?

By the way...did you hear the latest from Schilling?
He said his chances for getting into the HOF were probably harmed because he is a Republican.
 
blgridesagain said:
No offense Rick but, why the heck would you even consider bigmouth shitface Schilling on this list?

By the way...did you hear the latest from Schilling?
He said his chances for getting into the HOF were probably harmed because he is a Republican.
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Because of his increase in the past weeks voting (29% to 39%). Honestly I hope he never makes it.
 
Saw that dork Schilling making those "republican" comments, almost threw a shoe through my big screen. I'm quite sure Ichiro will be found on that list eventually.
 
And Koufax at # 44 is a real joke. I mean in his last 4 years he went 97-27 with an ERA of 1.84 a whip of .0910 (not a mis-print) and 3 CYAs. Oh & did I mention that in his last 4 seasons he also had 89 complete games & 31 shutouts. Hell in his last season alone he went 27-9 with a 1.73 ERA, 27 complete games & a cy young. 44th place, really?
 
Rick2583 said:
Jeter at 31
Rose at 38
Seaver at 22
Gwynn at 63
Marichal at 71
Palmer at 90

And not in the top 100....

Catfish Hunter, Early Wynn, Ralph Kiner & Carl Hubbell

Also not in the top 100 & loving it are.....

David Ortiz & Curt Schilling.
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I think Tony Gwynn was shortchanged.
He finished with the highest career BA .338 in the past 50 yrs, does have the 16th(tied) highest career BA .338 (3141 hits), and only two other players with higher BAs had more career hits, Cobb and Speaker.
He walked almost twice as much as he struck out, played his position very well and stole over 300 bases for good measure.

Actually, there's only a handful of players with higher career BAs who began their careers post deadball era and only TWO players with higher BAs who played into the 1960s, Ted Williams (barely) and Stan Musial!
 
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Personally I think the entire list is full of shit....!

No way can I live with half of these rankings. Joe DiMaggio not in the top 10. Stan Musial ranked way to low, Morgan would not even be in my top 100, sorry Morgan fans. I'd rather have Tommy Herr, or Ryne Sandberg. Jeter should be higher, but shit, this IMO is all hypothetical...

anyone of us could probably make up a better top 100 list...!
 
Mattingly23NY said:
Personally I think the entire list is full of shit....!

No way can I live with half of these rankings. Joe DiMaggio not in the top 10. Stan Musial ranked way to low, Morgan would not even be in my top 100, sorry Morgan fans. I'd rather have Tommy Herr, or Ryne Sandberg. Jeter should be higher, but shit, this IMO is all hypothetical...

anyone of us could probably make up a better top 100 list...!
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Yup, and I also don't get the love affair with Morgan.
He certainly was a great player/2b but I wouldn't have listed him in the top 20.

A little more perspective on Gwynn (.338 ba, 3141 H)
There isn't a player with a career BA closer than 10 points with 3000 hits who began his career AFTER WW2.
 
blgridesagain said:
I think Tony Gwynn was shortchanged.
He finished with the highest career BA .338 in the past 50 yrs, does have the 16th(tied) highest career BA .338 (3141 hits), and only two other players with higher BAs had more career hits, Cobb and Speaker.
He walked almost twice as much as he struck out, played his position very well and stole over 300 bases for good measure.

Actually, there's only a handful of players with higher career BAs who began their careers post deadball era and only TWO players with higher BAs who played into the 1960s, Ted Williams (barely) and Stan Musial!
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It's obvious the list creators, were biased towards big HR hitters, than pure hitters.

I think Gwynn got short changed on this list MORE than any other single player. How in the Hell can these 3 Players NOT BE tied at the hips of a list?????
Williams
Musial
Gwynn

????? Effing blows my mind, Gwynn was oft overlooked due to a small Diego Market, BUT became an International World Class Phenom of Old School type Greats...!!! A Modern Day Epic Legend. Clementesque, with equal talents only shared by a few greats of all time....!

One knew halfway thru Tony's career, he most probably parallel some of the greatest hitter in history.
 
Mattingly23NY said:
It's obvious the list creators, were biased towards big HR hitters, than pure hitters.

I think Gwynn got short changed on this list MORE than any other single player. How in the Hell can these 3 Players NOT BE tied at the hips of a list?????
Williams
Musial
Gwynn

????? Effing blows my mind, Gwynn was oft overlooked due to a small Diego Market, BUT became an International World Class Phenom of Old School type Greats...!!! A Modern Day Epic Legend. Clementesque, with equal talents only shared by a few greats of all time....!

One knew halfway thru Tony's career, he most probably parallel some of the greatest hitter in history.
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Gwynn wasn't the big power slugger type who also had/has the "good" BA so I don't expect him to be ranked up there with Williams, Mays, Ruth...ect....but it looks as if he's going to be (IMO) one of those underrated great players and ironically, his batting skill is probably contributing a bit to the rest of his exceptional good savvy game being taken for granted...IMO.

And we've talked about Gehrig before....it seems like his name rarely if ever pops up amount the media talking heads when they're discussing all time great hitters.
Have you ever noticed....lol,... they mention Williams, Ruth, Bonds, Mays, Musial,ect..rightfully so.....
.....but no Lou! I get the feeling if it weren't for his playing streak and Wally Pipp, we would never hear his name except when Arod broke his career grand slam HR record.

Look at his combined career BA with his slugging/OPS RBI....his WS batting. My Gosh.
And he batted behind Ruth....he didn't have a "Ruth" batting behind him.
 
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blgridesagain said:
Gwynn wasn't the big power slugger type who also had/has the "good" BA so I don't expect him to be ranked up there with Williams, Mays, Ruth...ect....but it looks as if he's going to be (IMO) one of those underrated great players and ironically, his batting skill is probably contributing a bit to the rest of his exceptional good savvy game being taken for granted...IMO.

And we've talked about Gehrig before....it seems like his name rarely if ever pops up amount the media talking heads when they're discussing all time great hitters.
Have you ever noticed....lol,... they mention Williams, Ruth, Bonds, Mays, Musial,ect..rightfully so.....
.....but no Lou! I get the feeling if it weren't for his playing streak and Wally Pipp, we would never hear his name except when Arod broke his career grand slam HR record.

Look at his combined career BA with his slugging/OPS RBI....his WS batting. My Gosh.
And he batted behind Ruth....he didn't have a "Ruth" batting behind him.
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Batting behind Ruth with all those HRs makes Gehrig's RBI numbers even more amazing. And speaking of the Grand slam record do you know who holds the NL record for Grand slams? And don't cheat.
 
Not Musial.
Not Willie?
Not Aaron.

Schmidt?
 
I remember from by baseball cards that Keith Hernandez was the active leader in GW-RBI at one point.... ;)
 
blgridesagain said:
Gwynn wasn't the big power slugger type who also had/has the "good" BA so I don't expect him to be ranked up there with Williams, Mays, Ruth...ect....but it looks as if he's going to be (IMO) one of those underrated great players and ironically, his batting skill is probably contributing a bit to the rest of his exceptional good savvy game being taken for granted...IMO.

And we've talked about Gehrig before....it seems like his name rarely if ever pops up amount the media talking heads when they're discussing all time great hitters.
Have you ever noticed....lol,... they mention Williams, Ruth, Bonds, Mays, Musial,ect..rightfully so.....
.....but no Lou! I get the feeling if it weren't for his playing streak and Wally Pipp, we would never hear his name except when Arod broke his career grand slam HR record.

Look at his combined career BA with his slugging/OPS RBI....his WS batting. My Gosh.
And he batted behind Ruth....he didn't have a "Ruth" batting behind him.
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Rick2583 said:
Batting behind Ruth with all those HRs makes Gehrig's RBI numbers even more amazing. And speaking of the Grand slam record do you know who holds the NL record for Grand slams? And don't cheat.
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IMO, since the Bambino literally put Fans back into the Stadiums, after & during the Black Sox Scandal, thus saving MLB, then I'd have no other choice to put Gehrig as #2, right behind the Babe, much like when the two played together., A 1-2 tandem on the field and on this ballot IMO.....Gehrig as as great as anyone when it came to hitting for avg, homers, and playing sound defense.

To think Willie Mays was no doubt one of my favorites, as Mick was as a kid. But it was Mays whose autograph I got hanging out over the dugout in a fairly new Candlestick, with no ramifications. I'm very aware of the great Willie Mays career. Yet my Grandpa, would tell me all the time, when I mentioned how much I enjoyed seeing Willie Play, and he'd say, "Son, you haven't seen any great play yet, not until you can say you saw Ruth, Gehrig and DiMaggio play....!
 
Rick2583 said:
Batting behind Ruth with all those HRs makes Gehrig's RBI numbers even more amazing. And speaking of the Grand slam record do you know who holds the NL record for Grand slams? And don't cheat.
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He was a member of the other M&M boys, McCovey.
And I believe Mattingly shares the single season record with 6.
 
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