ET: Cares not for the haters

[dviss1]

If it really upset him so much to be heckled by some nobody on Instagram, a simple fix would be to go out and sit in his Bentley or Ferrari and think it over before responding.

You're going in on him now. To a point where you're starting to go on and on about it. I know you addresses this earlier but c'mon bro, maybe trump should sit in the oval office for a bit before his Twitter tirades. Cumming on someone is a far cry from actually "taking out" their families.

"The other thing with the terrorists is you have to take out their families, when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. When they say they don't care about their lives, you have to take out their families," Trump said.

 

[Natebishop3]

What the hell did Michae Jordan change about himself at 28?

Turners best three point shooting season was five years ago.

Huh?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/turneev01.html

2015-2016 - 24%

2016-2017 - 26.3%

2017-2018 - 31.9%

You must be looking at his 27 games in Indiana, which was part of the 2013-2014 season. He only attempted 24 threes during that span and shot 50%, but before being traded to Indy he was shooting 28.8% on 2.4 attempts per game.

His best season from beyond the three point line was 2012-2013. he shot 36.5% on 1.9 attempts in 82 games. He is slowly working his way back up to that though. He's currently at 31.9% on 1.5 attempts.

 

[bobf]

I was actually saying this exact thing to a coworker not 30 minutes ago. His on-ball defense on Durant and Thompson on Friday night was outstanding. If he's got that in his toolbox, he needs to be utilizing it every single game. I don't need him to be the 3rd ballhandler he was initially brought in to be; he needs to be our perimeter defensive stud, and be that consistently. That would be so much more valuable to the team than anything he currently brings on the offensive end.

Yeah, I'm not convinced his defense is that good but maybe it is or can be. Even with that, I still think he needs to be some kind of a threat on offense, otherwise we are playing mostly 4 on 5. His turnaround 2-pointers are not the answer. That's the shot you want teams taking.

That's why I think he needs to be a corner three threat. Statistically a 36% 3-pointer is a great shot except a corner 3 leaves you pretty far out of position for transition D. But I don't see why he can't get that to 40% with lots of practice. He is an excellent FT shooter and if trebuchet Aminu can manage to hit 39% from all over the place, ET should be able to hit that from just the corner.

 

[Scalma]

Huh?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/turneev01.html

2015-2016 - 24%

2016-2017 - 26.3%

2017-2018 - 31.9%

You must be looking at his 27 games in Indiana, which was part of the 2013-2014 season. He only attempted 24 threes during that span and shot 50%, but before being traded to Indy he was shooting 28.8% on 2.4 attempts per game.

His best season from beyond the three point line was 2012-2013. he shot 36.5% on 1.9 attempts in 82 games. He is slowly working his way back up to that though. He's currently at 31.9% on 1.5 attempts.

What you mean huh? 2012-13 season wasn’t five years ago?

And what do you mean slowly working back to that? There’s quite a difference between the two numbers.

And kingspeeds whole argument is that Turner has improved as a three point shooter. I don’t know how one can jump to that conclusion when he’s had better shooting seasons.

 

[Natebishop3]

What you mean huh? 2012-13 season wasn’t five years ago?

And what do you mean slowly working back to that? There’s quite a difference between the two numbers.

Huh... as in he IS showing growth, and he has improved in his time with the Blazers. He's currently at 31.9%, which is much better than his time with Boston, or for most of his time in Philly.

 

[Scalma]

Huh... as in he IS showing growth, and he has improved in his time with the Blazers. He's currently at 31.9%, which is much better than his time with Boston, or for most of his time in Philly.

He’s showing growh while having his third best shooting season?

Ok.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I occasionally write smut in my free time.

 

[Nikolokolus]

It's certainly Olshey's fault, but Turner is responsible for being overpaid or under-performing, however you want to look at it. I believe a player should not accept significantly more than they're worth. It never works out well for anyone/anything, other than their bank account. It ruins their reputation and their enjoyment of the game, the city, etc.

What a load of horseshit. A player (or a thing) is only worth what the market decides he (it) is. If another firm called me tomorrow and told me they were prepared to triple my salary for the same exact job I'm already doing, All things being equal, I'd be a fucking fool to turn that down.

 

[Natebishop3]

He’s showing growh while having his third best shooting season?

Ok.

Ok.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

What a load of horseshit. A player (or a thing) is only worth what the market decides he (it) is. If another firm called me tomorrow and told me they were prepared to triple my salary for the same exact job I'm already doing, All things being equal, I'd be a fucking fool to turn that down.

Exactly why the coaches make so much money. There's no way on Earth any of them deserve multiple millions of dollars per year but some owners would try and steal the good ones by overpaying them and here we are.

Playing and coaching in the NBA are jobs most of us would do for a fraction of what they get.

I don't fault any of them for taking what is offered by billionaires.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Curses! I've been found out!

 

[handiman]

What a load of horseshit. A player (or a thing) is only worth what the market decides he (it) is. If another firm called me tomorrow and told me they were prepared to triple my salary for the same exact job I'm already doing, All things being equal, I'd be a fucking fool to turn that down.

1) There's no salary cap in regular jobs, so you being paid more doesn't directly affect what others can earn and the quality that can be placed around you.

2) The market didn't deem Turner worthy of his contract. Only Portland did. His agent was even shocked by the offer.

 

[Nikolokolus]

1) There's no salary cap in regular jobs, so you being paid more doesn't directly affect what others can earn and the quality that can be placed around you.

2) The market didn't deem Turner worthy of his contract. Only Portland did. His agent was even shocked by the offer.

1) every company has a salary cap, it's called an "operating budget."

2) a market of one is still a market.

If you want to blame someone, blame Olshey for being a wastrel and making a panic signing. Turner's basically the same guy he was before he got paid, so Olshey got exactly what he paid for.

But fuck this inane idea, that guys who have a very small window to earn, should take paycuts to protect billionaires' bottom lines.

 

[Denny Crane]

What the hell did Michae Jordan change about himself at 28?

Turners best three point shooting season was five years ago.

He became a post up player later in his career. He basically played power forward on offense, SG on defense. The Triangle thrives on a strong post player who can pass as well as score. Think Shaq in LA, too.

FWIW, the Bulls played Pippen at PG on offense and SF on defense (though he sometimes guarded PGs like Gary Payton). Rodman used to play at the 3pt line a LOT and somehow managed to be a beast on the offensive glass (defensive boards, too). This freed up what you would call the PG spot with specialists like Ron Harper (defensive specialist, but who was an offensive star prior), Steve Kerr (3pt shooter), Rory Sparrow (3pt shooter), and several other 3pt specialists.

Against Utah, Rodman guarded Mark Eaton and Longley guarded Karl Malone.

Back to the subject, though. Jordan was a high flying dunker when he came into the league. If you watch any of the later Finals games, you'll see him playing on the blocks and the Bulls going to him there over and over again. It was really tough for opponents. If they put a PF on him, he would go outside and kill him with his great outside shooting. Teams guarded him with SGs or SFs and he simply posted them up and scored almost at will.

 

[handiman]

1) every company has a salary cap, it's called an "operating budget."

Apples and oranges. Regular companies can spend as much as they have available. What they pay one person doesn't affect what they can pay another person, as long as they have sufficient funds.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Apples and oranges. Regular companies can spend as much as they have available. What they pay one person doesn't affect what they can pay another person, as long as they have sufficient funds.

Companies have shareholders, and they answer to the bottom line.

 

[handiman]

Companies have shareholders, and they answer to the bottom line.

So, we're completely changing the topic now to skirt around the salary cap issue?

 

[Nikolokolus]

So, we're completely changing the topic now to skirt around the salary cap issue?

Can't follow the plot, I see.

 

[KingSpeed]

What the hell did Michae Jordan change about himself at 28?

Phil brought in the Triangle and Jordan learned to trust his teammates as could seen by 11 apg in the 1991 Finals. And that's when he started winning titles.

 

[KingSpeed]

1) There's no salary cap in regular jobs, so you being paid more doesn't directly affect what others can earn and the quality that can be placed around you.

2) The market didn't deem Turner worthy of his contract. Only Portland did. His agent was even shocked by the offer.

We determined that we'd need to offer that much to get his attention in competitive market. Free agents don't want to play here so we have to get their attention with money.

 

[Scalma]

Phil brought in the Triangle and Jordan learned to trust his teammates as could seen by 11 apg in the 1991 Finals. And that's when he started winning titles.

His assist numbers didn’t really change at any point in his career. The rings came mainly because his supporting cast got better, specifically Pippen, who turned into an all star in Jackson’s system.

But really the only thing that held Jordan back from winning a ring earlier were the Pistons.

 

[KingSpeed]

His assist numbers didn’t really change at any point in his career. The rings came mainly because his supporting cast got better, specifically Pippen, who turned into an all star in Jackson’s system.

But really the only thing that held Jordan back from winning a ring earlier were the Pistons.

Jordan's assists in the Finals were better than what he had been doing. He won once he trusted John Paxson.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Is the username @clank3s taken?

BNM

swooosh3

 

[Scalma]

Jordan's assists in the Finals were better than what he had been doing. He won once he trusted John Paxson.

I don’t know why I’m going to continue this stupid debate but ok;

Jordan’s three best passing averages in the playoffs came during and BEFORE that season. So your argument that he fundamentally changed who he was in 1991 doesn’t make any sense.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

What a load of horseshit. A player (or a thing) is only worth what the market decides he (it) is. If another firm called me tomorrow and told me they were prepared to triple my salary for the same exact job I'm already doing, All things being equal, I'd be a fucking fool to turn that down.

Even if it were the Lakers making the offer?

 

[KingSpeed]

I don’t know why I’m going to continue this stupid debate but ok;

Jordan’s three best passing averages in the playoffs came during and BEFORE that season. So your argument that he fundamentally changed who he was in 1991 doesn’t make any sense.

Okay. You win.

 

[handiman]

We determined that we'd need to offer that much to get his attention in competitive market. Free agents don't want to play here so we have to get their attention with money.

We could have gotten his attention with half that much money. He couldn't get on the plane fast enough to get here before we changed our minds.

 

[handiman]

Can't follow the plot, I see.

The plot is full of holes.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Even if it were the Lakers making the offer?

I'm a mercenary. Sure.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

9 game win streak.

He played 18, 22, 14, 19, 22, 33, 23, 21, and 27 minutes.

32:45 against OKC where he went 6-10/17 points.
27:26 against GSW where he went 5-11/12 points.

I'd rather have him than not have him.

"This even extends to the Blazers’ nine-game win streak. With Turner on the floor in this streak, the Blazers are +7.2, which is terrific. However, with him on the bench, in more minutes, they are +14.1. In other words, even when things are going great for the Blazers … they’d be going even better without Turner."