Evan Turner and Al-Farouq Aminu

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Fairly-Hard said:
I believe it’s a much bigger impact than most understand. It’s more than the plays and schemes. It’s about holding together a group and steering the ship. Knowing your players and dealing with issues never discussed or seen in the media.
They are 18-19 years old mostly when they start. How many times do you see an 18 year old with his head on straight?
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While I don't agree, you're not alone in this belief. As long as you give the coaches equal blame for failures and credit when there is success, your logic is sound in my book.

Just out of curiousity, if coaches make such a big impact, why do you think they only get paid the same as a player who makes the tax level MLE? Without any impacts on salary cap, I'd think teams should be paying $20-40m a year for a great coach if they had significant impact.
 
Tince said:
While I don't agree, you're not alone in this belief. As long as you give the coaches equal blame for failures and credit when there is success, your logic is sound in my book.

Just out of curiousity, if coaches make such a big impact, why do you think they only get paid the same as a player who makes the tax level MLE? Without any impacts on salary cap, I'd think teams should be paying $20-40m a year for a great coach if they had significant impact.
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That’s a lot of money.
I also didn’t say they made “Such a big impact “. Just more than I feel many give them credit for.
I feel coaches get paid well for their services. Some better than others. What was the MLE this year?
 
Tince said:
While I don't agree, you're not alone in this belief. As long as you give the coaches equal blame for failures and credit when there is success, your logic is sound in my book.

Just out of curiousity, if coaches make such a big impact, why do you think they only get paid the same as a player who makes the tax level MLE? Without any impacts on salary cap, I'd think teams should be paying $20-40m a year for a great coach if they had significant impact.
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Because coaches in the NBA do not bring the value that a college coach does. You go out and you get Nick Sabin and that dude can turn around your program in a few years with his recruiting.

Coaches in the NBA offer no such advantage. Phil Jackson’s greatest skill was his ability to motivate and maintain the peace. He wasn’t a great X’s and O’s He had Tex Winter for that.

I don’t think Kerr is a genius either. I don’t think he really revolutionized anything. He put in a good system and he has been good at building team chemistry.

Isn’t it funny how the best coaches of the past 30 years had generational talents?

Phil Jackson/Michael Jordan
Phil Jackson/Shaq and Kobe
Greg Popovich/Tim Duncan
Steve Kerr/Steph Curry

Rivers won a ring with Garnett and hasn’t won since.
Spoelstra won a couple with LeBron and hasn’t won since.
Ty Lue won one with LeBron and hasn’t won since.
Frank Vogel won one with LeBron and I guess we will see if he ever wins another one.

Having a generational talent is so much more important than having a good coach.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
That’s a lot of money.
I also didn’t say they made “Such a big impact “. Just more than I feel many give them credit for.
I feel coaches get paid well for their services. Some better than others. What was the MLE this year?
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To put it in perspective, most the "top" coaches in the league will make as much as Gary Payton II.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Isn’t it funny how the best coaches of the past 30 years had generational talents?

Phil Jackson/Michael Jordan
Phil Jackson/Shaq and Kobe
Greg Popovich/Tim Duncan
Steve Kerr/Steph Curry

Rivers won a ring with Garnett and hasn’t won since.
Spoelstra won a couple with LeBron and hasn’t won since.
Ty Lue won one with LeBron and hasn’t won since.
Frank Vogel won one with LeBron and I guess we will see if he ever wins another one.

Having a generational talent is so much more important than having a good coach.
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Except, those generational talents also need the right coach.

Jordan didn't win anything with Doug Collins
Kobe didn't win anything with Del Harris or Rudy Tomjanovich
Curry didn't win anything with Mark Jackson
Duncan only ever played under Pop, so we have no idea how he'd have done with a different coach

Lebron is about the only generational talent (in the past 40 years) that won titles with multiple coaches.
 
Tince said:
Off the top of my head: Shaq, Magic, and Larry Bird won titles with multiple head coaches.
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I said 40 years to exclude the titles won by Magic (and Kareem) and Bird in 80 and 81 :ghoti:

But yes, Shaq as second fiddle to Wade in '06 did win under Riley, I'll give you that one, which also means Wade won under 2 different coaches. And then again, an all-time-great coach led that team, which kind of supports the point.
 
Who really gives a shit about Turner and Aminu now. They've been gone for 3 seasons, and thankfully the GM that brought them here is gone also. Some really bored people here on this forum. :mooning:
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
Who really gives a shit about Turner and Aminu now. They've been gone for 3 seasons, and thankfully the GM that brought them here is gone also. Some really bored people here on this forum. :mooning:
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Thanks for bumping the boring thread. Cool Sig Pic, bet you were bored the day you found that on the internet.

Puff puff pass.
 
The team hasn’t been the same since these guys left. We had back to back 3 seeds in their last two seasons with us. Aminu, specifically, has never been replaced adequately. It was supposed to be ZCo but he got hurt. Melo didn’t do it. RoCo didn’t do it. HOPEFULLY, Grant can make an Aminu impact. We never replaced Turner either. Bazemore didn’t get it done. Ariza did but then we lost Ariza. Powell kinda replaced Ariza which is why we got 6 seed in 2021 but RoCo missed a dunk, CJ stepped out of bounds and ultimately we decided to trade all of them and tank. I think Sharpe has more potential than Norm.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
The team hasn’t been the same since these guys left. We had back to back 3 seeds in their last two seasons with us. Aminu, specifically, has never been replaced adequately. It was supposed to be ZCo but he got hurt. Melo didn’t do it. RoCo didn’t do it. HOPEFULLY, Grant can make an Aminu impact. We never replaced Turner either. Bazemore didn’t get it done. Ariza did but then we lost Ariza. Powell kinda replaced Ariza which is why we got 6 seed in 2021 but RoCo missed a dunk, CJ stepped out of bounds and ultimately we decided to trade all of them and tank. I think Sharpe has more potential than Norm.
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If you don't think already that Grant is better than Aminu I don't know what to tell you.

Turner ? Come on.
 
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