Evan Turner? Meh

[STOMP]

Pining? No. I never said I wanted him at a max contract. I said that I wouldn't be surprised if he got a huge paycheck. Turns out I was right.

lol Nate, own what you advocated. You wanted management to match the Nets ridiculous offer. You wanted them to trade CJ and "hand Crabbe the starting job." You raved about his upside the entire season in thread after thread advocating big bucks thrown his way. In June (as far back as the search function would let me dig) here is you on Alan saying exactly what I was recalling and you're now denying...

I said I would match if he got a max offer, but I also didn't realize his max was 20+.

STOMP

 

[Natebishop3]

lol Nate, own what you advocated. You wanted management to match the Nets ridiculous offer. You wanted them to trade CJ and "hand Crabbe the starting job." You raved about his upside the entire season in thread after thread advocating big bucks thrown his way. In June (as far back as the search function would let me dig) here is you on Alan saying exactly what I was recalling and you're now denying...



STOMP

There's a difference between "pining" and saying that I would match, but I also didn't realize that his max was 20+ (as clearly stated in that quote.)

I would still trade CJ. Right now. If they offered up Boogie for CJ I would do it. I think Crabbe would be fine as the starting two. But I'm glad I wasted your time by having you go digging.

 

[STOMP]

There's a difference between "pining" and saying that I would match

You say you never wanted Crabbe at a max deal, I link you saying exactly that and you try to split hairs on the definition of pining... classic! I'm sure I'm not the only one that can recall you all over Crabbe's nuts in thread after thread last season and into this past offseason. You absolutely pined for him to be retained at big dollars & made a starter. When he was offered a King's ransom of a contract from the Nets, you advocated that they match it... need a link of you calling the deal "reasonable"? You spoke of him needing 30+ MPG and possibly being 6th man of the year... not for the Blazers, for the league!

I would still trade CJ. Right now. If they offered up Boogie for CJ I would do it.

nice attempt at a change of direction. I'm sure most here would be for a Antetokounmpo for Jake Layman trade too, what Blazer fan wouldn't be? So what? The point wasn't what ridiculous hypothetical trade you'd be for, but you trying to claim "I was right" about Crabbe, when you've been proven so completely wrong that you're now blasting Neal for the offseason moves you advocated!

STOMP

 

[dviss1]

You say you never wanted Crabbe at a max deal, I link you saying exactly that and you try to split hairs on the definition of pining... classic! I'm sure I'm not the only one that can recall you all over Crabbe's nuts in thread after thread last season and into this past offseason. You absolutely pined for him to be retained at big dollars & made a starter. When he was offered a King's ransom of a contract from the Nets, you advocated that they match it... need a link of you calling the deal "reasonable"? You spoke of him needing 30+ MPG and possibly being 6th man of the year... not for the Blazers, for the league!


nice attempt at a change of direction. I'm sure most here would be for a Antetokounmpo for Jake Layman trade too, what Blazer fan wouldn't be? So what? The point wasn't what ridiculous hypothetical trade you'd be for, but you trying to claim "I was right" about Crabbe, when you've been proven so completely wrong that you're now blasting Neal for the offseason moves you advocated!

STOMP

 

[Natebishop3]

You say you never wanted Crabbe at a max deal, I link you saying exactly that and you try to split hairs on the definition of pining... classic! I'm sure I'm not the only one that can recall you all over Crabbe's nuts in thread after thread last season and into this past offseason. You absolutely pined for him to be retained at big dollars & made a starter. When he was offered a King's ransom of a contract from the Nets, you advocated that they match it... need a link of you calling the deal "reasonable"? You spoke of him needing 30+ MPG and possibly being 6th man of the year... not for the Blazers, for the league!


nice attempt at a change of direction. I'm sure most here would be for a Antetokounmpo for Jake Layman trade too, what Blazer fan wouldn't be? So what? The point wasn't what ridiculous hypothetical trade you'd be for, but you trying to claim "I was right" about Crabbe, when you've been proven so completely wrong that you're now blasting Neal for the offseason moves you advocated!

STOMP

It's funny, usually you're the sunshine pumper... maybe that's just with the Ducks? I guess there wasn't much sunshine to pump over there this year. Did the Ducks sour your attitude?

And how exactly am I blasting Neil? I'm not faulting them for matching. It was a tough call. You quoted me talking about Parsons.......?

But as I said, I wonder if the decision came from Paul and not necessarily Neil.

Actually, yes. Please provide those quotes. I'd rather not take your word for it. The only quote you have provided so far was me saying that I didn't realize that his max was 20+ and that I wouldn't match that offer. Seriously, I want to see those quotes. It sounds like complete bullshit. I made a thread last year where I said I wouldn't be surprised if he got a big payday. I said that I thought he could be a solid starting two. I don't ever remember saying that I thought he'd be 6th man of the year. Your hyperbole is off the charts right now.

 

[Natebishop3]

People do stupid things when they have money to burn. The lack of shooting guards in the league right now and the fact that he's young and can shoot the ball could bring a nice payday for him. Maybe not max, but I think possibly more than 10 million per year.

I'm not saying he's worth max. I'm saying that it's not impossible for some stupid GM to toss out a stupid contract, similar to Wes with Dallas and Sac. You mentioned that was after Wes had played for six years, but he was also coming off a major injury. There is going to be so much money available this summer, and there are a lot of restricted free agents. Batum and Parsons are going to get paid way more than they are worth.

If a team like the Knicks tossed a max deal at Crabbe - would you match?

I would. Even if we consider it to be too expensive for a bench player, you could turn around and trade him. He's still an asset. We can't afford to let him walk for nothing.

I think it's very likely that it's in that 14-15 million range..... and in the new salary cap that's pretty standard man. You need to stop thinking in terms of the old cap.

Yikes.... I don't think he would get THAT much.... but again, yikes....

I would match the 13-15 range. I think that's a movable contract, and I hate the idea of letting someone like Crabbe walk for nothing. But 20+ million? Yeah..... I don't know.

3&D guys are very valuable in the current market. They play right into the moneyball metrics.

This was inevitable when they raised the cap. When everyone has money, the players get paid more. It's like the housing market in Portland right now. There's no inventory, so when a house goes up for sale, there's 15+ people bidding against each other. People tend to get 10-15k above their asking (at least).

I think some of you are going to be surprised. I think 13-14 a year is going to get offered.

As long as it's not above 17 million... I still might consider it. People keep freaking out about these contracts, but in the new salary cap, that will probably be the going rate for a starting shooting guard. I would much rather match and then trade him in a few months when the waiting period is over.

Or... as I have suggested before..... trade CJ for another star caliber player and start Crabbe.

Danny Green is a good comp for Crabbe. Green is making $10 million per year under the old cap.

Crabbe's contract should have been around $13 million.

He's still so young. I like this move. He's expensive as hell, but I think there will be a consolidation move in the future.

Also.... Kent fucking Bazemore is getting 70 million.

Crabbe has improved every season. I'm not sure what his ceiling is, but I'm confident that he could start and be effective if that was asked of him.

Yup. Look at all those quotes where I said he'd be 6th man of the year, and how I thought the contract was reasonable..... I guess we can just make shit up, right? I said I liked the move because I don't like seeing assets leave for nothing. He's overpaid, but hopefully we can trade him before the deadline, or sometime in the offseason.

 

[Natebishop3]

Feel free to dig for yourself...

What to do with Allen Crabbe...
http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/what-to-do-with-allen-crabbe.293653/#post-3790066

If Crabbe gets a max offer - do you match?
http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/if-crabbe-gets-a-max-offer-do-you-match.301959/

Allen Crabbe signs offer sheet with Net
shttp://www.sportstwo.com/threads/allen-crabbe-signs-offer-sheet-with-nets.302566/

CRABBE MATCHED
http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/crabbe-matched.302644/

 

[STOMP]

Actually, yes. Please provide those quotes. I'd rather not take your word for it. The only quote you have provided so far was me saying that I didn't realize that his max was 20+ and that I wouldn't match that offer. Seriously, I want to see those quotes. It sounds like complete bullshit. I made a thread last year where I said I wouldn't be surprised if he got a big payday. I said that I thought he could be a solid starting two. I don't ever remember saying that I thought he'd be 6th man of the year. Your hyperbole is off the charts right now.

Looking forward to you lashing out at me for relaying more stupid shit you said. Here's you calling Crabbe's contract reasonable...

For a starting shooting guard, that's a reasonable contract. If fucking Bazemore is getting that kind of money, I think Crabbe is reasonable.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/al...r-sheet-with-nets.302566/page-20#post-3942675

Here's you talking about him possibly being 6th man...

I would love to see Crabbe get 6th man considerations.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/who-will-be-the-blazers-most-improved-player.303037/#post-3954275

how exactly am I blasting Neil? I'm not faulting them for matching. It was a tough call.

No it wasn't. It was super easy for me and others to say bye-bye to a not very good one trick pony. But like that not very good one trick pony named Martell you proclaimed a "Superstar" before, you were all over Crabbe's potential advocating retaining him for the All Star money a desperate cellar team offered. You claimed he was a capable starter and would be a valued asset to trade if need be down the line. How could anyone be unhappy with Neil's offseason? What's not to like? you pondered. Now that it isn't working out, you've apparently developed amnesia and are blaming Neil for the same moves you advocated and praised him for. From the Is Olshey's seat getting warmer? thread...

Frankly, if Turner's deal was awful, then Crabbe's deal is fucking terrible. His production has been as bad, if not worse, than Turner's... and he is significantly more difficult to trade. Also, Turner at least has a track record as a serviceable player in the NBA. Crabbe has never really shown a consistent ability to produce.

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/is-olsheys-seat-getting-warmer.306008/page-2#post-4005672

21 posts a day 365 days a year, it must be hard to keep track of all the BS that you put out there. But this on-going Crabbe crush you beat the drums forever for seems like it should register. Don't blame Neil for mistakes you backed... own it!

STOMP

 

[Natebishop3]

Looking forward to you lashing out at me for relaying more stupid shit you said. Here's you calling Crabbe's contract reasonable...

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/al...r-sheet-with-nets.302566/page-20#post-3942675

Here's you talking about him possibly being 6th man...

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/who-will-be-the-blazers-most-improved-player.303037/#post-3954275


No it wasn't. It was super easy for me and others to say bye-bye to a not very good one trick pony. But like that not very good one trick pony named Martell you proclaimed a "Superstar" before, you were all over Crabbe's potential advocating retaining him for the All Star money a desperate cellar team offered. You claimed he was a capable starter and would be a valued asset to trade if need be down the line. How could anyone be unhappy with Neil's offseason? What's not to like? you pondered. Now that it isn't working out, you've apparently developed amnesia and are blaming Neil for the same moves you advocated and praised him for. From the Is Olshey's seat getting warmer? thread...

http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/is-olsheys-seat-getting-warmer.306008/page-2#post-4005672

21 posts a day 365 days a year, it must be hard to keep track of all the BS that you put out there. But this on-going Crabbe crush you beat the drums forever for seems like it should register. Don't blame Neil for mistakes you backed... own it!

STOMP

Crabbe was signed to that contract because the Nets wanted him to be their starter, and if Crabbe was starting somewhere, his contract could be considered reasonable. It may very well happen before the season ends. This isn't backing your hyperbole at all.

And in a thread where we're posting about what we'd like to see for the season, which was originally posted in JULY, you're going to say that's the same as saying he could be 6th man of the year? C'mon man....

And I have to seriously LOL at you for bringing up Martell Webster from god only knows how long ago...... 12 years? Really STOMP? You're that guy? I'm not 100% sure you're not an alternate PapaG account because that's some seriously PapaG level shit right there dude. You've got some very flimsy shit backing up your claims right now. So the 20 or so quotes that I posted don't outweigh the weak shit that you posted?

 

[Natebishop3]

Hey STOMP, how is your boy Mark Helfrich working out for you?

 

[STOMP]

So the 20 or so quotes that I posted don't outweigh the weak shit that you posted?

exactly as expected. Talking shit out of both sides of your mouth, so you can cover your ass and always claim to be correct and of course attacking posters instead of owning how completely wrong you've been proven about Crabbe. What a complete Slypokerdog you are Nate

STOMP

 

[Natebishop3]

exactly as expected. Talking shit out of both sides of your mouth, so you can cover your ass and always claim to be correct and of course attacking me instead of owning how completely wrong you've been proven about Crabbe. What a complete Slypokerdog you are Nate

STOMP

Right back at ya sweet stuff. You're one of those grudge holders who love to hold onto things and start shit where it doesn't need to be started. I don't remember calling Martell Webster a superstar, but hey... I guess I don't remember what happened in 2005. Do you seriously think I remember things you posted 11 years ago? How pathetic are you? We weren't even on this site back then.

I said that Crabbe would get a much higher contract than most people expected, and I was right. It was much higher than even I anticipated. And yes, I'm glad we held onto him because I think he's a trade asset. I literally posted 13 quotes that went against what you've been spewing, but hey, the 4 wishy washy quotes that you found like totally prove your point. I was TOTALLY pining for him. He's clearly my favorite player on the team.

You hate me. It's cute. I get under your skin. I think it's hilarious.

 

[STOMP]

Hey STOMP, how is your boy Mark Helfrich working out for you?

link? As usual you're lashing out with nothing trying desperately to distract from your own failings. Regardless of the sport, I don't put much on the coaches as their contributions are harder to judge. I weigh in mostly on players and those in charge of personnel moves... and total hypocrite posters

STOMP

 

[Natebishop3]

link? As usual you're lashing out with nothing trying desperately to distract from your own failings. Regardless of the sport, I don't put much on the coaches as their contributions are harder to judge. I weigh in mostly on players and those in charge of personnel moves... and total hypocrite posters

STOMP

You killed the Duck forum with your constant feuds and grudges. Don't bring that shit over here.

 

[SwissBlazer]

And Evan Turner?

 

[STOMP]

You killed the Duck forum with your constant feuds and grudges. Don't bring that shit over here.

lol crybaby, look in the mirror to see a guilty party. It's a whiny little loser who cries in good times and bad calling for the heads of college kids and coaches regardless of the outcome. No one likes to play with a crybaby. Lol out the constant feuds and grudges comment, again check the mirror hypocrite.

instead of posting 20 something times today inspiring no one with double-talk that you'll forget by tomorrow, why not step outside and live a life? Go for a walk or something that pumps fresh air through your system. Talk to a real live person. Give the board a little breathing room from the incessant flow of BS you feel such a need to share in every single thread. We'll be just fine.

STOMP

 

[Eastoff]

Boys, boys. Nobody likes a pissing match. Especially when it's in the wrong topic. I came here to talk about Evan Turner.

 

[Denny Crane]

Boys, boys. Nobody likes a pissing match. Especially when it's in the wrong topic. I came here to talk about Evan Turner.

This.

 

[Hobbesarable]

Boys, boys. Nobody likes a pissing match. Especially when it's in the wrong topic. I came here to talk about Evan Turner.

Their bantering was entertaining for all of two minutes. Then it became "meh" like part of the thread title.

 

[Kaydow]

It's like it still hasn't sunk in for people that contracts aren't what they used to be.

Turner and Kent Bazemore signed identical contracts over the summer. Bazemore is averaging 11.6 ppg, 2.7 assists, 3.3 rebounds, and he's shooting 38% from the field, 32% from three.

Perhaps this is true. 4 years/$70 might look different as time goes by. But it's hard to imagine it will ever be seen as a "favorable" contract. Eric Gordon and his 4 year/$53, now THAT looks like a steal. Harden in playing at/near MVP level, but he's not doing it by himself. Gordon gives them a second elite playmaker and shooter, which is why their offense is top notch and they are winning. We had hopes that our salary cap room last summer would bring us that type of difference maker, and we got ET instead. Of course Gordon's injury history made him a risk, but it looks like a great move to date. Don't think I'll ever feel that way about ET.

 

[Strenuus]

Perhaps this is true. 4 years/$70 might look different as time goes by. But it's hard to imagine it will ever be seen as a "favorable" contract. Eric Gordon and his 4 year/$53, now THAT looks like a steal. Harden in playing at/near MVP level, but he's not doing it by himself. Gordon gives them a second elite playmaker and shooter, which is why their offense is top notch and they are winning. We had hopes that our salary cap room last summer would bring us that type of difference maker, and we got ET instead. Of course Gordon's injury history made him a risk, but it looks like a great move to date. Don't think I'll ever feel that way about ET.

That is the reason he (Gordon) got a "smaller" contract... because of his injuries.

I'll wait the 4 years before saying one is better than the other, because of that very reason.

 

[Pinwheel1]

That is the reason he (Gordon) got a "smaller" contract... because of his injuries.

I'll wait the 4 years before saying one is better than the other, because of that very reason.

Yeah I agree. I tried to sell us going after Gordon few years ago ( before we had CJ) and the consensus was no fucking way, due to his injury history. Right now he is playing awesome, but we will see how long that lasts.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Jesus. man.... LMao. I cant believe how important it is to be right.

People can change minds and change opinions. At the end of last year I thought/hoped Crabbe could become our 6th man and possibly make a run for 6th man of the year. I also thought he would develop more than he did. Shit happens and sometimes shit doesn't happen. No one is always going to be right when we are talking about young athletes and millions of dollars. Some of them can make the next step and some of them cant. some of them have more/better tools to make a run at the next step but fail for various reasons. Some have little tools/skills but make the next step through dedication and effort.

Shit happens and since it does, people should be allowed to change their opinions of how they feel about contracts. At the time Crabbes contract was given out, I thought it was fair considering other contracts given out.
Crabbe has under performed, save for the last could of games, and thus the contract now looks like an albatross. What happens if in the next 20 games he averages 14 pts, 4 assists and 3 rebounds? controls the ball well with few turnovers and averages a steal a game? Is his contract still that bad? I will then possibly change my mind again. Hope nobody gets riled up if I do....

 

[Natebishop3]

lol crybaby, look in the mirror to see a guilty party. It's a whiny little loser who cries in good times and bad calling for the heads of college kids and coaches regardless of the outcome. No one likes to play with a crybaby. Lol out the constant feuds and grudges comment, again check the mirror hypocrite.

instead of posting 20 something times today inspiring no one with double-talk that you'll forget by tomorrow, why not step outside and live a life? Go for a walk or something that pumps fresh air through your system. Talk to a real live person. Give the board a little breathing room from the incessant flow of BS you feel such a need to share in every single thread. We'll be just fine.

STOMP

You literally feuded with 3-4 different people on that forum. I had a problem with one.... you. Or did you forget about how much you fought with the people who posted on there?

 

[Hobbesarable]

Jesus. man.... LMao. I cant believe how important it is to be right.

People can change minds and change opinions. At the end of last year I thought/hoped Crabbe could become our 6th man and possibly make a run for 6th man of the year. I also thought he would develop more than he did. Shit happens and sometimes shit doesn't happen. No one is always going to be right when we are talking about young athletes and millions of dollars. Some of them can make the next step and some of them cant. some of them have more/better tools to make a run at the next step but fail for various reasons. Some have little tools/skills but make the next step through dedication and effort.

Shit happens and since it does, people should be allowed to change their opinions of how they feel about contracts. At the time Crabbes contract was given out, I thought it was fair considering other contracts given out.
Crabbe has under performed, save for the last could of games, and thus the contract now looks like an albatross. What happens if in the next 20 games he averages 14 pts, 4 assists and 3 rebounds? controls the ball well with few turnovers and averages a steal a game? Is his contract still that bad? I will then possibly change my mind again. Hope nobody gets riled up if I do....

Then you better stay away from the O-Live Blazer forum. Several people will bring up shit you said/typed years ago and try to sling it in your face.

It'd probably make you feel like doing this to them

 

[Darkwebs]

 

[Orion Bailey]

WTH?

 

[Tunchi]

WTH?

What?

 

[Natebishop3]

It seems like the team is starting to come together.

 

[Pinwheel1]

ET's ability to take his man in the paint and score is huge for the second unit.

A CJ, ET, Crabbe, Aminu, and (?) is a solid 2nd unit. Maybe keep starting both Plums and Davis, but bring in Leonard early so Davis can play with the 2nd team to start the 2nd and 4th quarters?