"Every child deserves a married mom and dad"

[SlyPokerDog]

Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus defended the 2016 Republican Party platform ahead of its convention in a July 17 interview with NBC’s Chuck Todd.

While the platform isn’t yet in its final form, many observers have said the document so far lands to the right on social issues. Todd asked Priebus about the platform’s position on same-sex marriage. He referenced one draft that says "the data, the facts lead to an inescapable conclusion that every child deserves a married mom and dad" — based on claims that children raised in a traditional household are healthier and less likely to engage in crime and substance abuse.

"It’s implying somehow that children of same-sex couples are more likely to be addicts, to engage in crime," Todd said. "Do you mean to have it imply that?"

Priebus replied that it’s possible for children of same-sex parents and single parents to have successful lives, but the best scenario is for children to grow up in a traditional opposite-sex household.

"The best scenario for kids is a loving mom and dad," Priebus said.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...air-wrongly-claims-facts-show-children-do-be/

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't necessarily agree with Priebus, but the fact check article isn't exactly checking the facts based upon his statement.

He doesn't say children of same-sex parents don't fare as well. He actually says it's possible the kids do fare as well.

The fact checking only looks at the kids "doing quite well." Whatever that means.



I'm not sure you can do a study about whether a kid who does "quite well" might have done "better" with a mom and a dad.

It seems plausible that a boy having a father figure to grow up around might be a positive thing.

The freakkonomics blog talks about how absent fathers affect boys and girls differently, for example.

http://freakonomics.com/2011/10/19/fathers-and-delinquency-in-the-american-family/

Past research has shown that a father’s involvement with his children is linked to all kinds of beneficial outcomes, from higher academic achievement, improved social and emotional well-being, to lower incidences of delinquency, risk taking, and other problem behaviors.

A new working paper from authors Deborah A. Cobb-Clark and Erdal Tekin examines the relationship between juvenile delinquency and the role of a father in the household, particularly in terms of the different effects an absent father has on boys and girls. They discovered, among other things, that sons benefit far more from a father (or father-figure) than daughters do. From the abstract:

…we find that adolescent boys engage in more delinquent behavior if there is no father figure in their lives. However, adolescent girls’ behavior is largely independent of the presence (or absence) of their fathers.

(so I call bullshit)

 

[SlyPokerDog]

(so I call bullshit)

 

[Denny Crane]

I still call bullshit. On your facepalms, too.

 

[Denny Crane]

SlyPokerDog, Science Denier.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080212095450.htm
Children Who Have An Active Father Figure Have Fewer Psychological And Behavioral Problems

 

[MarAzul]

"It’s implying somehow that children of same-sex couples are more likely to be addicts, to engage in crime,"

This is a guess. The writer might have inferred this but the statement, "every child deserves a married mom and dad" seems to me to imply what it says. I might append, "whom want the child."

 

[Denny Crane]

Moar science for SlyPokerDog to deny.

http://www.livescience.com/20997-science-fatherhood-fathers-day.html

The Science of Fatherhood: Why Dads Matter

 

[SlyPokerDog]

SlyPokerDog, Science Denier.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080212095450.htm
Children Who Have An Active Father Figure Have Fewer Psychological And Behavioral Problems

This is a guess. The writer might have inferred this but the statement, "every child deserves a married mom and dad" seems to me to imply what it says. I might append, "whom wants the child."

 

[MarAzul]

every child deserves a married mom and dad

SlyPokerDog, Science Denier.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080212095450.htm
Children Who Have An Active Father Figure Have Fewer Psychological And Behavioral Problems

And to that end, note almost all the young troubled shooters (non terrorist) the past many years have no dad around, living with mom.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Moar science for SlyPokerDog to deny.

http://www.livescience.com/20997-science-fatherhood-fathers-day.html

The Science of Fatherhood: Why Dads Matter

I never said dads don't matter but you keep building that strawman.

 

[Denny Crane]

SlyPokerDog

Science Denier.

 

[Denny Crane]

I never said dads don't matter but you keep building that strawman.

No, I don't build any strawman.

I just say the "fact check" article is bullshit.

I quote:

"The limited pieces of research that appear to support Priebus’ claim have been called into question. "

I call bullshit.

And you are a science denier. My links from at least 2 science sites.

 

[MarAzul]

Mom and Dad seems like a good thing to me. I think I would have liked the deal.

 

[Denny Crane]

I think the kids turn out fine in homosexual parent households.

The question is whether the "fact checkers" were even close to accurate in their conclusion.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

No, I don't build any strawman.

I just say the "fact check" article is bullshit.

I quote:

"The limited pieces of research that appear to support Priebus’ claim have been called into question. "

I call bullshit.

And you are a science denier. My links from at least 2 science sites.

Really dude? Really? This is something that a major political party should be concerned with? So what's the answer? Ban single parents? Ban gay parents? This isn't a debate who is the better parent. This isn't something that government is going to fund. The only thing that could come from this is denying gays the right to be parents. So make all the BS noise you want but for this to be a part of any political party's platform is nothing but hateful.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think the kids turn out fine in homosexual parent households.

The question is whether the "fact checkers" were even close to accurate in their conclusion.

That's not the question, that's your question.

 

[MarAzul]

Really dude? Really? This is something that a major political party should be concerned with? So what's the answer? Ban single parents? Ban gay parents? This isn't a debate who is the better parent. This isn't something that government is going to fund. The only thing that could come from this is denying gays the right to be parents. So make all the BS noise you but for this to be a part of any political party's platform is nothing but hateful.

err, maybe they intend to imply that people getting married is a good way to raise children. It is sort of time tested.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

err, maybe they intend to imply that people getting married is a good way to raise children. It is sort of time tested.

No, they're not implying that. They're flat out saying that straight people getting married is a good way to raise children.

 

[theprunetang]

No, they're not implying that. They're flat out saying that straight people getting married is a good way to raise children.

Bam.

 

[theprunetang]

err, maybe they intend to imply that people getting married is a good way to raise children. It is sort of time tested.

Infinity facepalms.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

SlyPokerDog

Science Denier.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I have two nieces who have two moms. They are doing quite well I'd say, yet the oldest one wants a father so bad it is sad as hell. She wanted me to be her dad when she was smaller. I told her I grew up without a dad and it isn't the end of the world and she's seemed better about it the last few years.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I have two nieces who have two moms. They are doing quite well I'd say, yet the oldest one wants a father so bad it is sad as hell. She wanted me to be her dad when she was smaller. I told her I grew up without a dad and it isn't the end of the world and she's seemed better about it the last few years.

She live near you?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

She live near you?

No, I can't stand the rain. She lives in Washington. Besides, in small doses I'm a good influence. Large doses and she'd be on the FBI most wanted list in a few years. I'm only about half joking about that.

 

[Denny Crane]

Really dude? Really? This is something that a major political party should be concerned with? So what's the answer? Ban single parents? Ban gay parents? This isn't a debate who is the better parent. This isn't something that government is going to fund. The only thing that could come from this is denying gays the right to be parents. So make all the BS noise you want but for this to be a part of any political party's platform is nothing but hateful.

Uh, no dude.

I'm sure Priebus said lots of things. They chose to "fact check" this because it got the reaction from you that it did.

And the "fact" check is just wrong.

 

[Denny Crane]

No, they're not implying that. They're flat out saying that straight people getting married is a good way to raise children.

It isn't?

 

[blue32]

I think having a mother and father figure in a kids life is super important. I prefer that scenario over anything else. It's a good balance for a developing child. I can see how it would be super confusing for a child at first to understand the dynamic, and having to deal with that at school daily if you had same sex parents. /shrug just my opinion.

 

[Minstrel]

I don't think it matters much. Some fathers are terrible male role models. Some mothers are terrible female role models. There are other places to find gendered role models (if, indeed, role models for "how to be a man" or "how to be a woman" are even necessary/important, which I'm not convinced of).

What really matters, whatever parents you have (or parent, as the case may be), is that your guardian(s) be loving and engaged. I'd probably agree that two caring parents are better than one, but I think it's just as true that three caring parents/guardians would be better than two, and on up, as in the case of large extended families that live together. So, I think that complaining about single parents is as valid as complaining about the supposed WASP ideal of a two-parent home over the extended-family-under-one-roof family set-ups that many cultures have.

In the end, those things (maybe) only matter at the margins. What makes the real difference is that what parents/guardians you do have are, as I said, loving and engaged.

 

[Mediocre Man]

One would think that if father figures added so much, the United States could be leading the world in everything if we allowed men to marry each other. If one father figure is good, imagine two?

On a serious note, I firmly believe that having both a positive father figure and a positive mother figure are vital to a child's success. That doesn't mean same sex couple can't raise wonderful children though. However if two women are raising a child, I think it's important that there is a positive male role model very active in that child's life, and vise versa.

However, Both my wife and I are pretty active positive influences on our kids, and my youngest, with some anger/ADHD issues is really tough, and will more than likely not turn in to a great adult. Not our fault, not his fault, just what it is