"Every child deserves a married mom and dad"

[julius]

I have a friend who had parents who divorced, and the relationship (or lack there of) between her and her father (and her mother and father) has surely played a role in how many times she's been married and her choice of men. She's headed into her 3rd marriage before she's 35, and there's already issues with the relationship she has with her fiance.

Conversely, her sister, raised in the same house (they are actually twins) has a stable marriage.

Stable parents are key.

 

[MarAzul]

Infinity facepalms.

people getting married is a good way to raise children

It is sort of time tested.

I take it you disagree. How can that be?

 

[MarAzul]

No, they're not implying that. They're flat out saying that straight people getting married is a good way to raise children.

No, he said, "The best scenario for kids is a loving mom and dad"

I am sure not going to disagree with this. If you do, what the heck happened?
I had a mom and dad until I was about eight, then the shit began. I rather prefer the first part.

 

[MarAzul]

Bam.

Does that mean you know something like no other?

 

[MarAzul]

I think Sly is leading the pack in getting it right! The right way to think. The right thing to say. However, it isn't right, it's left.

 

[barfo]

One would think that if father figures added so much, the United States could be leading the world in everything if we allowed men to marry each other.

Newsflash: we do allow men to marry each other. Welcome to 2016!

barfo

 

[Mediocre Man]

Newsflash: we do allow men to marry each other. Welcome to 2016!

barfo

I meant to say had, not if.

 

[Denny Crane]

I don't think it matters much. Some fathers are terrible male role models. Some mothers are terrible female role models. There are other places to find gendered role models (if, indeed, role models for "how to be a man" or "how to be a woman" are even necessary/important, which I'm not convinced of).

What really matters, whatever parents you have (or parent, as the case may be), is that your guardian(s) be loving and engaged. I'd probably agree that two caring parents are better than one, but I think it's just as true that three caring parents/guardians would be better than two, and on up, as in the case of large extended families that live together. So, I think that complaining about single parents is as valid as complaining about the supposed WASP ideal of a two-parent home over the extended-family-under-one-roof family set-ups that many cultures have.

In the end, those things (maybe) only matter at the margins. What makes the real difference is that what parents/guardians you do have are, as I said, loving and engaged.

I think it's fair to say any good pair of parents is better than a single parent or a bad single parent or bad couple of parents.

But when there's a study that says kids without a father figure end up in trouble with the law more than those who do, the fact check isn't telling the truth about finding no studies that support what Priebus said. And he didn't say what the science denier SlyPokerDog claims he said.

 

[MarAzul]

Question. For years now, most states have not permitted siblings and close relatives to marry, that is get a marriage license.
But is that all history now? Can two Lesbian sisters now get a marriage license? Those laws are still on the books, aren't they?
Does this make any sense? Why does the law care if two Lesbian or Gay men are siblings?

Shouldn't this discrimination be shot down under the same equal protection clause? Then when...

 

[MARIS61]

The overwhelming majority of violent criminals in America had no father (or positive male role model) taking an active part in their lives.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

How many dads is best isn't what's the issue here, this doesn't belong in a political party's platform. All the shit facing this nation and this is important? What is the political answer to this then not allowing certain people not to be parents. Really?

 

[Minstrel]

Question. For years now, most states have not permitted siblings and close relatives to marry, that is get a marriage license.
But is that all history now? Can two Lesbian sisters now get a marriage license? Those laws are still on the books, aren't they?
Does this make any sense? Why does the law care if two Lesbian or Gay men are siblings?

Shouldn't this discrimination be shot down under the same equal protection clause? Then when...

I'm sorry, I'm not following what this has to do with gay people. Why are you asking about gay siblings? Why are they different from straight siblings? Are you saying that siblings should be able to marry, whether it's two gay siblings or a straight brother and sister?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The overwhelming majority of violent criminals in America had no father (or positive male role model) taking an active part in their lives.

Okay, so what is the solution to this? Forced birth control until people are married? Banning of divorce until the child has moved out of the house? How about a new welfare program, we pay men to be father figures to kids? How about we take kids away from single parents and put them into foster homes with two straight parents?

 

[MarAzul]

How many dads is best isn't what's the issue here, this doesn't belong in a political party's platform. All the shit facing this nation and this is important? What is the political answer to this then not allowing certain people not to be parents. Really?

I don't infer all these things you do. I don't even much care what the RNC chair says!

 

[MarAzul]

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Okay, so what is the solution to this? Forced birth control until people are married? Banning of divorce until the child has moved out of the house? How about a new welfare program, we pay men to be father figures to kids? How about we take kids away from single parents and put them into foster homes with two straight parents?

Perhaps you urge people to take their covenanted of marriage seriously and to follow through with their responsibility to their children.
Seems logical to me.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Perhaps you urge people to take their covenanted of marriage seriously and to follow through with their responsibility to their children.
Seems logical to me.

Urge? So political parties are about urging now? "We urge you to brush your teeth." "We urge you to look both ways when crossing the street." "We urge your kid to always have a dad."

 

[MarAzul]

I'm sorry, I'm not following what this has to do with gay people. Why are you asking about gay siblings? Why are they different from straight siblings? Are you saying that siblings should be able to marry, whether it's two gay siblings or a straight brother and sister?

I didn't say anything conclusive. I ask if the laws that prohibit siblings from getting a marriage license still apply?
Why does the law care if two Lesbian or Gay men are siblings that want to marry?
Shouldn't this discrimination be shot down under the same equal protection clause that was used to permit same sex marriage?

 

[Minstrel]

I didn't say anything conclusive. I ask if the laws that prohibit siblings from getting a marriage license still apply?
Why does the law care if two Lesbian or Gay men are siblings that want to marry?

What does sibling marriage have to do specifically with gay people?

 

[riverman]

A lot of orphans have parents that are married, but cannot raise their children..there are a lot of loser married couples with kids out there..to me children raised by anyone who is responsible, loving and wants to guide them into healthy lives is on the right track and it has nothing to do with the institution of marriage. Some people shouldn't have kids, married or not, some shouldn't have pets for the same reason.

 

[MarAzul]

Urge? So political parties are about urging now? "We urge you to brush your teeth." "We urge you to look both ways when crossing the street." "We urge your kid to always have a dad."

Sly, they have been doing this since the government implemented the Income Tax. When they gave Married couples a tax break
in the tax code, wouldn't you agree that this was to urge people to marry? I think most congressman that support the tax break
think marriage is proven institution in our society, worthy of a tax break. Tax breaks usually get you more of something, government speak for urge.

 

[MarAzul]

What does sibling marriage have to do specifically with gay people?

enh! Why don't you answer the question? Does the law prohibit Gay Siblings from obtaining a marriage license?
If so why?

 

[Denny Crane]

How many dads is best isn't what's the issue here, this doesn't belong in a political party's platform. All the shit facing this nation and this is important? What is the political answer to this then not allowing certain people not to be parents. Really?

WEAK SAUCE.

it's way more important to spend us $20T into debt or something.

I honestly don't care about their platform, but I get it that they think society is better off in the long run if the kids get the best chance to succeed.

 

[riverman]

So would two married people who hate each other and fight constantly have more stable kids than a single parent who has a happy environment and loves life...I don't think so....there are so many grey areas when you lump social groups into charts and graphs..

 

[SlyPokerDog]

And he didn't say what the science denier SlyPokerDog claims he said.

Show me where I quoted or agreed with the the conclusions by politifact? I'm not denying any of your research. I'm saying that this doesn't belong in a political party's platform.

 

[Minstrel]

enh! Why don't you answer the question? Does the law prohibit Gay Siblings from obtaining a marriage license?
If so why?

I'm still not understanding what homosexuality and sibling marriage have to do with one another. Why gay siblings?

 

[Denny Crane]

Show me where I quoted or agreed with the the conclusions by politifact? I'm not denying any of your research. I'm saying that this doesn't belong in a political party's platform.

You found some reason to post it and then facepalm over it.

I don't think spending $20T should be in a party's platform, but it is. Even if indirectly.

So what?

It clearly is important to some people, and they get to vote and have the party they want.

 

[Denny Crane]

I am as certain as I can be that homosexual couples can raise children who are successful.

I think that's what Rance Priebus actually said.

Facepalm?

 

[MarAzul]

A lot of orphans have parents that are married, but cannot raise their children..there are a lot of loser married couples with kids out there..to me children raised by anyone who is responsible, loving and wants to guide them into healthy lives is on the right track and it has nothing to do with the institution of marriage. Some people shouldn't have kids, married or not, some shouldn't have pets for the same reason.

I'm still not understanding

I am so sorry.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

WEAK SAUCE.

it's way more important to spend us $20T into debt or something.

I honestly don't care about their platform, but I get it that they think society is better off in the long run if the kids get the best chance to succeed.

See, now I think the national debt is something that should be discussed and something done about. There is lots of legislation that can be passed that can reduce the national debt. What legislation can be passed that can make sure that each kid has a mother and father?

And if you don't care about the platform, fine. I do.

 

[MarAzul]

I am as certain as I can be that homosexual couples can raise children who are successful.

I think that's what Rance Priebus actually said.

Facepalm?

That was my take.

But I did not infer that was the salient point. Since most children come to this world with two parents, it would be best if the parents were married. Best for the children. Perhaps and I infer again, that the children are coming more frequently without the benefit of married parents. Not the best.