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hasoos said:
Then you go on to talk about Derek Anderson. Derek Anderson was never an elite player, and was never near being an elite player. In fact, IMO Derek Anderson sucked balls. And No you are wrong he was not the 3rd best player behind Duncan and Robinson, Sean Elliot was, who was a much better player. DA was a role player.
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The season when Derek Anderson was on the Spurs ended up being Elliot's final year in the NBA, he was a shell of his former self. Elliot only played in 50 games averaging 7 points in 23mpg. Derek was second behind Duncan in scoring with 15.5ppg, minutes at 34.9mpg while shooting .399 3PT% and .851 FT%. He played all 82 games, was third in PER and third in win share behind Duncan and Robinson. Was Derek an "elite" player? No, he was a solid starter. He was clearly the Spurs third best player that year, and in the offseason resigning him was their primary objective. Bob was able to convince Derek to come to Portland instead.

The Anderson signing in the end didn't pan out as well as we had hoped, Derek lost a step and struggled with injuries. GM's don't know for certainty what you'll get out of your free agent when you sign them, there is risk in the prospect just as draft pick prospects have risk. DA didn't work out but on the flip side the Brian Grant signing worked out far better then anticipated. Grant was a great bruising PF who along with Sheed and Sabas gave the team the best big man trio in franchise history.

This franchise has the ability to make solid free agent acquisitions, using the size of the city or the current contention status is a poor excuse. The franchise had all of the same hurdles 10 years ago but made a number of solid additions.
 
Ed O said:
No offense to you, ABM, but why are we using Dave as a source to quote KP? Did he interview him? Or is he reading the same stuff we are and putting his conclusory spin on it?

Ed O.
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I have heard KP say the same thing. They are looking for a perfect fit.

In otherwords, they are looking for a Bigfoot riding a Unicorn.
 
Didn't KP at one time say that he did not like making moves mid-season. Not this last trade deadline (that was we want to go to war with the players we have and evaluate after that) . . . but the two prior trade deadlines he would say taht he didn't like making moves midseason as it disrupts team chemistry and he prefers to make moves during the off season.

In any event, the Blazers will rise and fall with the development of Oden, so any off season moves will only serve to push this team a little farther vs. Oden's development. So really this summer is more about Oden's development than anything else . . . at least I keep telling myself that.
 
BlazerCaravan said:
...this stat may serve to vindicate MARIS and/or undermine your other stats, but... Sergio's ast/min stats:

2006 - 0.253
2007 - 0.197
2008 - 0.233
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Yup. Sergio is upper-echelon in the NBA, as measured by his one stellar stat - like top-3 or top-5 in the league good. If he learns the other stuff, he'll be a star. Otherwise he'll be Brevin Knight. 0.26 as a rookie. 0.24 career: a super passer who can't do much else.

iWatas
 
Imaginary......









wait for it.....













almost there.......










uhh.....










CAP SPACE.



Am I right?
 
BTOWN_HUSTLA said:
Am I right?
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No, not any more than a prospect failing to pan out shows that prospects are "imaginary."

Of course, this cap space will still have value until next July. So it hasn't failed to pan out. But cap space isn't an "imaginary" asset...it's an asset that has a high failure chance.
 
Its imaginary until you know what the market is. Non-usable, in a scenario which we are now in!
 
How do you figure it's imaginary?
 
Because if there's no one to spend it on, then its useless. therefore, its benefit is imaginary.

you end up overspending (i.e HEDO) or getting a player you don't really need or want just for the sake of spending it. Its like getting a gift card at a store you never shop at.....
 
BTOWN_HUSTLA said:
Because if there's no one to spend it on, then its useless. therefore, its benefit is imaginary.

you end up overspending (i.e HEDO) or getting a player you don't really need or want just for the sake of spending it. Its like getting a gift card at a store you never shop at.....
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Untrue. It's not useless to the people cutting the checks. The Blazers are becoming penny-pinchers.

"Break even!"
 
Iwatas said:
Given the highly dominant trend, the odds are *superb* that Bayless will never be as good as Steve Blake at making plays. If this does not terrify you, then it should.

iWatas
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I guess with regards to Blake I would say not all assists are created by being a playmaker. Some come from simply moving the ball around the perimeter and the guy you passed to happens to hit a shot. I have no proof of this, but it sure seemed like a large number of Blake's assists came in just this manner.

It would account for his low assist to turn-over ratio as well as his almost super human ability to avoid the free throw line.

So, Blake may very get assists due to the way he is used, but calling him a play maker is a bit much.

I remain dubious about Bayless as a pure point guard as well. I just think Portland doesn't really need such a thing all that bad. My main complaint with Blake is his inability to put pressure on the opposing defense. Bayless for all his faults does not have this problem.
 
Erroneous Subterfuge said:
Capspace can be used for a lopsided trade. If you don't think any teams will have a strong urge to cut salary in a few months you're kidding yourself.
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We went from Summer 09 plan to "lopsided trade".

Lopsided trades are usually with expiring contracts (I.E. RELC) not trade exceptions, aren't they?


IF they didn't want to cut salary with an 80% insurance payment of the salary itself, then why would they want to in a "lopsided trade"?
 
I'd call cap space an "overvalued" asset by fans.

It doesn't provide the benefit that was projected or anticipated.
 
Just sign Roy and Aldridge, and forget the damn imaginary cap space, and I'll be happy.
 
BTOWN_HUSTLA said:
We went from Summer 09 plan to "lopsided trade".

Lopsided trades are usually with expiring contracts (I.E. RELC) not trade exceptions, aren't they?


IF they didn't want to cut salary with an 80% insurance payment of the salary itself, then why would they want to in a "lopsided trade"?
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Huh? By being 7.7 million (is that the number?) under the cap, they can execute a financially uneven trade of up to 7.7 million to make salaries match. Have you not been paying attention to the whole Boozer thing? That 3-way trade would be one example.
 
Space exists. Whether you use it or not, it's still there.
If I have money, but do not use it, is tha money imaginary?
 
Erroneous Subterfuge said:
Huh? By being 7.7 million (is that the number?) under the cap, they can execute a financially uneven trade of up to 7.7 million to make salaries match. Have you not been paying attention to the whole Boozer thing? That 3-way trade would be one example.
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Boozer's been traded?

If it hasn't happened, it doesn't exist.

What major moves have ever been used in which a lopsided trade was made using CAP SPACE instead of an expiring contract?
 
RR7 said:
Space exists. Whether you use it or not, it's still there.
If I have money, but do not use it, is tha money imaginary?
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Perhaps. I would equate it to being more "rich on paper" than anything....you have "flexibility" but until you become liquid, it doesn't really mean squat.
 
Erroneous Subterfuge said:
Oh give me a break... :smiley-whatever:
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what's so hard to figure...until we do have a trade where we are facilitating Boozer through the use of our "salary cap flexibility", its all specuation and gobbedly-goo. frankly, i don't see it happening and if our cap space was used as some part of an elaborate deal to land Kirk Hinrich or Udonis Haslem...not really impressed and it seems more of a hail mary than anything else.
 
There is one thing the Blazers could do with all that cap space...


...turn a profit.
 
aren't the clippers one of the most profitable teams in the league?

I mean if that's how you want to emulate yourselves after, go ahead!
 
BTOWN_HUSTLA said:
aren't the clippers one of the most profitable teams in the league?

I mean if that's how you want to emulate yourselves after, go ahead!
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It is definitely a worry I have regarding the recent ideology rearing its head this off-season. I'm glad you've figured out lopsided trades, though. You see now the power of them, and how they could come in handy when NO is more desperate. Trading a rookie-scale player or a pick for an expensive player is a powerful... err... power.
 
Erroneous Subterfuge said:
Capspace can be used for a lopsided trade. If you don't think any teams will have a strong urge to cut salary in a few months you're kidding yourself.
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So, we will be right back where we were last season - looking at players viewed by their current teams as overpaid. KP made pretty clear last season that he isn't interested in that kind of deal.
 
BTOWN_HUSTLA said:
Boozer's been traded?

If it hasn't happened, it doesn't exist.

What major moves have ever been used in which a lopsided trade was made using CAP SPACE instead of an expiring contract?
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Good question.

The best I can come up with is the Sonics/Suns deal, where the Sonics got 2 first round picks for using their capspace to take on Thomas. I'm sure there are others, but they are comparatively rare.
 
oldmangrouch said:
So, we will be right back where we were last season - looking at players viewed by their current teams as overpaid. KP made pretty clear last season that he isn't interested in that kind of deal.
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I realize it's your internet persona to be grouchy all the time, but you're wrong.
 
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