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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (speeds)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'>Yea but weed does more damage to the body and brain then alcohol. Proven fact.</div></p>

Is this sarcasm or are you being serious? </p>

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What do you think? </p>

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I guess you are being sarcastic.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giantsfan1)</div><div class='quotemain'>The main difference is peple who are not partaking of Marijuana can become slightly under the influence of it. I donlt see why teh government would not legalize marijuana, they'd proabbly tax teh shit out of it and make it unaffordable just like everything thing else in life. NOTE: I personally do not support marijuana use nor have I ever had any.</div>A little common sense can go a long way when trying to avoid second hand smoke of any kind. Just get away from the smokers. Also, if you feel that you have to use weed around other people that do not appreciate the smoke, you can always just bake edible weed (brownies, and cookies are most popular). I've never actually tried this, but I have heard of people grinding up weed, throwing it into a frying pan with butter, and quickly melting it into the butter. Separateout the solids, refridgerate the butter, and you can bake anything you want with that butter. No second hand smoke. </p>

I don't know where you all live, but in CA, smoking of any kind is banned in all public buildings, and the colleges force people to smoke a certain distance from any classroom building. Smokers are basically relegated to parking lots in many places here. If someone tries to smoke in my own house, I just tell them to go outside.</p>

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Cocaine and weed were once legal in this country. Alcohol was once illegal. In all three cases, when the government made the 'drug' illegal, organized crime found a way to make money on it, and the government went into the business of demonizing the substance as much if not more than the abuser. I have smoked (a lot) and snorted (a couple of times), but haven't done either for a very long time... longer than many of the posters on this site have been alive.... not interested in either. On the other hand, I am drinking a beer as I write this. I get where Dale is going, and working in the LA area I have seen many stomach turning and mind changing episodes, but just because a percentage of people can't maintain their lives, with or without a drug, doesn't mean that most of us can't. </p>

Legalize and tax it all. Criminalize bad behavior just as with alcohol. The same goes for prostitution as far as I'm concerned. </p>
 
Pretty much tried the lot except heroin...</p>

Coke, Ketamine, MDMA, Speed, Weed (personal fave), Acid, Shrooms, Opium (smoked), datura, Nangs, poppers, mesculine, valium...</p>

other than weed though, none I enjoyed to the point of constantly needing them. Weed I love and I enjoy the odd bit of Ket or MDMA but like once every 3-6 months. Alcohol? I have maybe 9 drinks a week on average. Each to their own, I recommend experimentation only when the intention is curiosity, not to 'fit in'. Non drug takers who are informed, who choose not to preach and empathise with those that do have my utmost respect.</p>
 
<DIV>First off I think it is completely ridiculous to say that weed leads to cocaine. I smoke weed probably once or twice a week on avg and i have never thought about doing cocaine and i never really plan to. Anyone who says that is either completely oblivious to life or they just have never experienced any type of drug use and they dont understand it so they go by what other people have said. Weed is such a mild drug its much milder than any other type of drug and doesnt have nearly the type of consequences on ur body as any other drug. It is also funny to me that people say that others are going to die or weed is completely horrible when it is proven by many that alcohol is so much worse for you. Did you know that there are receptors in your brain for THC (THC is the chemical in weed that gets you high). As someone said before there are tons and tons of deaths per year caused by alcohol. I wonder if you have ever heard about someone dying of weed overdose. You havent because it has never happened. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I think weed should be legalized it doesnt make sense not to and it would probably save the government more trouble than not.</DIV>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Downunderwonder)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Pretty much tried the lot except heroin...</p>

Coke, Ketamine, MDMA, Speed, Weed (personal fave), Acid, Shrooms, Opium (smoked), datura, Nangs, poppers, mesculine, valium...</p>

other than weed though, none I enjoyed to the point of constantly needing them. Weed I love and I enjoy the odd bit of Ket or MDMA but like once every 3-6 months. Alcohol? I have maybe 9 drinks a week on average. Each to their own, I recommend experimentation only when the intention is curiosity, not to 'fit in'. Non drug takers who are informed, who choose not to preach and empathise with those that do have my utmost respect.</p>

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How was opium?</p>
 
Opium? Like a really heavy rock of the finest black hash you can get from Amsterdam with a slighly disturbing clarity of thought. My body was completely disconnected but at the same time was really in tune with it. Most pieces of information were more interesting than ever and the ability to understand even the most difficult aspects of any conversation were easily simplified. The come down sucked though, like a weekend on too many XTC tablets and felt heavily nausious for hours.</p>

Morphine from the doctor is cleaner, there is not as big a comedown but it has less of a mental effect.</p>
 
Non drug takers who are informed, who choose not to preach and empathise with those that do have my utmost respect.</p>

I don't mean to offend, but, over the past 12 years, I've seen too many lives destroyed by drugs and alcohol to not point out the dangers of addiction when a thread like this pops up. I would hate to think that some of the younger readers in this forum come away from this discussion thinking that drug experimentation is a good thing. Of all the things that we can do for recreation in this country, it really bothers me that drugs is on that list. While some may chalk up addiction as being a problem for "weak" people, I think that answer is a bit simplistic especially when science is telling us that there may be a genetic component that makes some people more susceptable to addiction. Regardless, there is one truth that cannot be refuted. NO ONE ever plans on becoming a drug addict or an alcoholic. Once you fall into the hole of addiction, it may take a lifetime to dig your way back out. </p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'>Experimentation does not always lead to addiction, though.</div></p>

I understand that, but no one really knows the exact cause of addiction. Therefore, people need to understand the dangers that come with drug and alcohol use. I'm just worried that some of our younger readers will read this thread and see it as a green light to experiment. That bothers me.</p>
 
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'>Experimentation does not always lead to addiction, though.</div></p>

I understand that, but no one really knows the exact cause of addiction. Therefore, people need to understand the dangers that come with drug and alcohol use. I'm just worried that some of our younger readers will read this thread and see it as a green light to experiment. That bothers me.</p>

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Life is all about choices that we make...</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Non drug takers who are informed, who choose not to preach and empathise with those that do have my utmost respect.</p>

I don't mean to offend, but, over the past 12 years, I've seen too many lives destroyed by drugs and alcohol to not point out the dangers of addiction when a thread like this pops up. I would hate to think that some of the younger readers in this forum come away from this discussion thinking that drug experimentation is a good thing. Of all the things that we can do for recreation in this country, it really bothers me that drugs is on that list. While some may chalk up addiction as being a problem for "weak" people, I think that answer is a bit simplistic especially when science is telling us that there may be a genetic component that makes some people more susceptable to addiction. Regardless, there is one truth that cannot be refuted. NO ONE ever plans on becoming a drug addict or an alcoholic. Once you fall into the hole of addiction, it may take a lifetime to dig your way back out. </p>

</div>No not at all, no offence at all. Actually it seems you are informed since you are making your opinions on fact and observations, not lies and assumptions. I mean for me personally I dont just 'do' drugs for the sake of it. Its normally either at a music festival to enhance the experiance or to celebrate an occasion with people in similar states or in the case of Weed I use it to self medicate as I stopped taking my perscribed Ritilin for my ADD a long time ago. I dont willingly promote my lifestyle and try and discourage those from following me unless they are sure as sure can be that this is what they want. My weed intake has diminished since Ive been in Europe and I havent had any negetivity arise as a result of it.</p>

Im on a bit of a detox at the moment, but being a muso the door will always be open to certain things as in my experiance, smoking a spliff and mixxing some 12" phatness or jamming with my band or taking a few pills and jumping around a nightclub/warehouse have the same 'relevence' as having a few beers and watching the game. Its a horses for courses arguement with the message being make your own choices, dont get into a position you cant get out of and dont blame anyone else with the eventual result.</p>

Its nice to have intellegent debate. Thankyou everyone who has participated!</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'>Experimentation does not always lead to addiction, though.</div></p>

I understand that, but no one really knows the exact cause of addiction. Therefore, people need to understand the dangers that come with drug and alcohol use. I'm just worried that some of our younger readers will read this thread and see it as a green light to experiment. That bothers me.</p>

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Life is all about choices that we make...</p>

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Sure, when people are old enough to make them and TRULY understand the consequences. This won't be a popular statement, but high school kids aren't ready to make those decisions even though they are starting to have alcohol and drugs made available to them. If your in high school and take offense to that statement, I'm sorry, but I bet most of us, who are a little older, now realize that we weren't nearly as wise during those years as we thought we were. That's not meant as an insult. It's just a reality of the human maturation process.
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I agree, HS'ers think they know everything, but a part of life is finding out, for yourself, that you don't.
 
Amen, Its sad that even in little ol' Perth It was easier (and cheaper let me add, inflation only adds so much in 5 years!) to score then than it is now and in hindsight you understand why that gives some parents the heebie jeebies...
 
i personally dont approve of most drugs and i dont plan on doing most drugs, i stick to weed and alcohol. I believe that everything in moderation is good for instance a once a month smoker is perfectly fine in my eyes but someone who does it everyday... as some of my friends do... is completley overdoing it. for the people who havent tried to do drugs or alcohol yet. If you do it in moderation its a perfectly fine thing to do pretty much everyone does it but when you start to get addicted to it and start to make it a lifestyle its when you know ur overdoing it.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Downunderwonder)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Pretty much tried the lot except heroin...</p>

Coke, Ketamine, MDMA, Speed, Weed (personal fave), Acid, Shrooms, Opium (smoked), datura, Nangs, poppers, mesculine, valium...</p>

other than weed though, none I enjoyed to the point of constantly needing them. Weed I love and I enjoy the odd bit of Ket or MDMA but like once every 3-6 months. Alcohol? I have maybe 9 drinks a week on average. Each to their own, I recommend experimentation only when the intention is curiosity, not to 'fit in'. Non drug takers who are informed, who choose not to preach and empathise with those that do have my utmost respect.</p>

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Firstly, Ketamine (K) seems like such a pointless drugs -- my friends describe it as death. Falling into a "K hole" as they describe it. I mean, it's horse tranquilizer for God's sake. Yuck haha, what did you think about your rush?</p>

And how was your acid trip? One of my mates took it and could have sworn his life was similar to the Matrix.</p>
 
I experiment with mary-jane from time to time. I dont smoke as much as i used to, but if someone passes it to me, you can expect me to hit it.
 
As a libertarian, I think all drugs should be legal. That's not to encourage people to actually do them. It's just that they do them anyway, and people should effectively be voting with their actions. It's a victimless crime.</p>

That said, a little weed now and then is probably not such a bad thing. It's natural, and every animal has their catnip or whatever. I can say that overdoing it is likely to make you stupid over the long haul. Alcoholism is not a pretty thing, either.</p>

And, please, for your own sake, stay away from the chemicals and other "experimental" things. It really isn't worth it.</p>

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The saying goes</p>

Drugs get you through times without money better than money gets you through times without drugs.</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Theo)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Downunderwonder)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Pretty much tried the lot except heroin...</p>

Coke, Ketamine, MDMA, Speed, Weed (personal fave), Acid, Shrooms, Opium (smoked), datura, Nangs, poppers, mesculine, valium...</p>

other than weed though, none I enjoyed to the point of constantly needing them. Weed I love and I enjoy the odd bit of Ket or MDMA but like once every 3-6 months. Alcohol? I have maybe 9 drinks a week on average. Each to their own, I recommend experimentation only when the intention is curiosity, not to 'fit in'. Non drug takers who are informed, who choose not to preach and empathise with those that do have my utmost respect.</p>

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Firstly, Ketamine (K) seems like such a pointless drugs -- my friends describe it as death. Falling into a "K hole" as they describe it. I mean, it's horse tranquilizer for God's sake. Yuck haha, what did you think about your rush?</p>

And how was your acid trip? One of my mates took it and could have sworn his life was similar to the Matrix.</p>

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Yeah Ket is what it is but MDMA was a truth syrum and its a complete hoot! Anyhow acid? I had a friend of mine that was getting obsceneamounts of the stuff, like sheets at a time. So needless to say in the last 18 months I have had waaaay too much. Its actuallya blessing in disguise that he is working in Japan now. I mean my best trip was one where it kicked in ON STAGE while I was doing a jamaican style soundsystem gig, mike in hand as my DJ was spinning some dark drum n bass. I spent the rest of the night laughing for hours with my friends, seeing lotsa patterns and colours and having a conversation with my Max Cavalera poster...</p>

Acid, depending on the strength, is heavy... Not so much an experiment as a complete brain rewiring for 7 hours...</p>
 
isnt it like if you do acid 80 times you are considered legally insane... thats what i've heard
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'>isnt it like if you do acid 80 times you are considered legally insane... thats what i've heard</div></p>

Considered? The correct answer is 'are insane'. I probably am yet to hit 15 and I doubt I'll break 20 before I die.(thats times on acid not tabs, mytab count is a number I dont even wanna know)80 would be like boring a hole through your medulla oblongotta then wiring your senses through the wrong cerebullums. you would be the only person on the planet to make Ozzy Osbourne look sane. A more realistic figure would be 35ish. I mean I already get the odd flashback if I get too stoned. Its not something I advise, am proud of or would do again in that amount. Its a fun drug but has big consequences. Under the right circumstances Ill do it again but it wont be a habit...</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'>ya, all drugs are bad. but alcohol's just too damn fun not to drink.</div></p>

lol, I have to agree...</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Downunderwonder)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'>isnt it like if you do acid 80 times you are considered legally insane... thats what i've heard</div></p>

Considered? The correct answer is 'are insane'. I probably am yet to hit 15 and I doubt I'll break 20 before I die.(thats times on acid not tabs, my tab count is a number I dont even wanna know) 80 would be like boring a hole through your medulla oblongotta then wiring your senses through the wrong cerebullums. you would be the only person on the planet to make Ozzy Osbourne look sane. A more realistic figure would be 35ish. I mean I already get the odd flashback if I get too stoned. Its not something I advise, am proud of or would do again in that amount. Its a fun drug but has big consequences. Under the right circumstances Ill do it again but it wont be a habit...</p>

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I think you should get off that drug, it seems pretty bad. And plus, you don't want to be some insane drug addict do you. So I advise you to get off that drug before you die or go insane.</p>

Why would you do that drug, is there something special about it or something?</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Arrpy)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Downunderwonder)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'>isnt it like if you do acid 80 times you are considered legally insane... thats what i've heard</div></p>

Considered? The correct answer is 'are insane'. I probably am yet to hit 15 and I doubt I'll break 20 before I die.(thats times on acid not tabs, my tab count is a number I dont even wanna know) 80 would be like boring a hole through your medulla oblongotta then wiring your senses through the wrong cerebullums. you would be the only person on the planet to make Ozzy Osbourne look sane. A more realistic figure would be 35ish. I mean I already get the odd flashback if I get too stoned. Its not something I advise, am proud of or would do again in that amount. Its a fun drug but has big consequences. Under the right circumstances Ill do it again but it wont be a habit...</p>

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I think you should get off that drug, it seems pretty bad. And plus, you don't want to be some insane drug addict do you. So I advise you to get off that drug before you die or go insane.</p>

Why would you do that drug, is there something special about it or something? </p>

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I've never done acid but i have done shrooms. Tripping is crazy, its something you have to try to understand. but i'd suggest everyone at least try it once. I've only tried shrooms once and it's not addicting, just out there. It's like a whole new outlook on the world and everything you thought possible. some crazy shit.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Downunderwonder)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-E-T-S 1083)</div><div class='quotemain'>isnt it like if you do acid 80 times you are considered legally insane... thats what i've heard</div></p>

Considered? The correct answer is 'are insane'. I probably am yet to hit 15 and I doubt I'll break 20 before I die.(thats times on acid not tabs, my tab count is a number I dont even wanna know) 80 would be like boring a hole through your medulla oblongotta then wiring your senses through the wrong cerebullums. you would be the only person on the planet to make Ozzy Osbourne look sane. A more realistic figure would be 35ish. I mean I already get the odd flashback if I get too stoned. Its not something I advise, am proud of or would do again in that amount. Its a fun drug but has big consequences. Under the right circumstances Ill do it again but it wont be a habit...</p>

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Acid's as impossible to overdose on as marijuana, but the effective dosage is tiny. How come you're taking multiple tabs?</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Acid's as impossible to overdose on as marijuana, but the effective dosage is tiny. How come you're taking multiple tabs?</p>

</div>Overdose no. Completely blow a hole in brain yes...</p>

Multiple why? Lets just say only a raver or a grateful dead fan would know the beauty of a lost weekend. by that i mean 3 tabs, 2 XTC and half an ounce of weed in 60 hours. an extreme example but a real example of mine nevertheless</p>

Oh and 'arpy' stress not. My dad was shall we say a little 'Jerry Garcia' himself and had lead a successful life. Like I said I never let my recreational habits interfere with work, fiscal responsibilities or my capasity to function. For instance I have nevercalled in sick to work in 8 years of working part or full time unless ive been bed ridden with flu. No hangovers, comedowns or otherwise have ever stopped me from working. Not once. How many of you can say that? Mind you I am a bar manager by trade so I can crawl in to work and have a morning bloody mary (if its a hangover) or a 6 espresso shot coffee (comedown) and Im sweet.</p>
 
hmm reading back I can see why some of you would be worried. But Im no junkie. Im still in pretty good shape, I eat very healthily being my girlfriend is a vegetarian, my mind is still as sharp as ever, I read Steven Hawking for fun ferchristsakes!</p>

Its obvious Im just from a different lifestyle thats all. I respect if you cant understand.</p>
 
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