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[Natebishop3]

And vice versa. Every religion can be interpreted in a number of ways. Individuals commit actions because of their view of a religion, not because of religion. The term "Defend your faith from non-believers" can be taken as "defend yourself from those attacking you because of your faith" and could be taken as "attack those who don't believe".

Theres some Muslims that have ideologies that are more in common with Christians than radical members of their same faith. That's why criticizing or defending religion because of a small faction doesn't make sense to me.

That's just my opinion.

I think all religion is bullshit. I think it's a tool to control the masses and oppress the weak. That includes Christianity and Islam. They're both horrible.

 

[lawai'a]

That map is not accurate. Piracy just isn't a problem on earth.

? where not on earth?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

? where not on earth?

 

[lawai'a]

I liked it but secretly love it

 

[BonesJones]

I think all religion is bullshit. I think it's a tool to control the masses and oppress the weak. That includes Christianity and Islam. They're both horrible.

Actually, I mostly agree with this.

 

[lawai'a]

http://www.nineanime.com/anime/Bodacious_Space_Pirates_the_Movie_Abyss_of_Hyperspace.html
bodacios space pirates- for the anime fans

 

[Further]

There vast majority of the worlds 1.6 billion Muslims are good people who belong to a fucked up religion. Good people don't commit atrocities but those who might be more naturally inclined to violence find Islam to be ready made justification to be evil.

 

[MarAzul]

That map is not accurate. Piracy just isn't a problem on earth.

Alright. Please explain sir.

 

[Natebishop3]

There vast majority of the worlds 1.6 billion Muslims are good people who belong to a fucked up religion. Good people don't commit atrocities but those who might be more naturally inclined to violence find Islam to be ready made justification to be evil.

How can you be a good person and support a religion that promotes the blatant oppression of women??

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Your tweets have been deleted. What did they say?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

the first one was:




which is hilarious because their Twitter bio is:
#ActivismIRL

 

[Further]

How can you be a good person and support a religion that promotes the blatant oppression of women??

It's a conundrum.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

How can you be a good person and support a religion that promotes the blatant oppression of women??

Maybe that makes you a good person? :MARIS61:

 

[3RA1N1AC]

My phone autocorrects her name to areola grindr

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And vice versa. Every religion can be interpreted in a number of ways. Individuals commit actions because of their view of a religion, not because of religion. The term "Defend your faith from non-believers" can be taken as "defend yourself from those attacking you because of your faith" and could be taken as "attack those who don't believe".

Except that term isn't biblical. The verse that talks about defending one's faith (1 Peter 3:15) says, "...always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect." Can you tell me how that can be interpreted as attacking anyone?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Several Muslim countries have had women prime ministers/ presidents

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

What percentage of them do you think follow the teaching of the Hadiths about homosexuals?

What percentage of them do you think at least in part interact with other people as the Koran guides them, say in regard to Infidels or Kaffers?

Neither of us are qualified to try to quantify the number of Muslims who are both fundamentalists and take action based on those teachings. Based on personal experience, I'm going to say a very small percentage. Though I've never been to Saudi Arabia

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Link to a map showing pirate activity in the world to day.
https://icc-ccs.org/piracy-reporting-centre/live-piracy-map
If you check you will find all of them with the possible exception of Peru, are Muslims. One of their sources of revenue is taking Infidel or Kaffers to hold for ransom. I guess they find it ok in the Koran, in any case they have been doing it for centuries.

What percentage of Muslims do you think are pirates?

 

[MarAzul]

Good people don't commit atrocities but those who might be more naturally inclined to violence find Islam to be ready made justification to be evil.

Good people don't commit atrocities

those who might be more naturally inclined to violence find Islam to be ready made justification to be evil.

The top quote just doesn't hang together.

The second quote (partial) leaves no room to quibble. Good people don't commit atrocities

The third quote probably rarely happens. I have heard of not one person whom has committed these Jihad or Islam terrorist acts that converted to Islam. Few people Convert to Islam
in the US, with the exception of African Americans. Have any of these people been involved with the terrorist acts? I don't know.

http://www1.cbn.com/spirituallife/why-are-so-many-westerners-converting-to-islam

 

[HailBlazers]

I think all religion is bullshit. I think it's a tool to control the masses and oppress the weak. That includes Christianity and Islam. They're both horrible.

Jesus hated and fought religion.

 

[MarAzul]

What percentage of Muslims do you think are pirates?

Percentage wise, I don't know. I have been in villages were they were all pirates, everyone a Muslim.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Percentage wise, I don't know. I have been in villages were they were all pirates, everyone a Muslim.

Piracy is older than Islam.

Have you ever been in a village of non-pirate Muslims? Like, ever? Because if your only experience with Muslims was in pirate-villages, that would explain a LOT of things.

 

[MarAzul]

small percentage.

Might be right.
That results in a large number of people though, of the two billion world wide. 5% would be 10,000,000. Several time more than the US military. If we chose wrongly, we could fight a war with this population until time runs out.

3,000,000 US Muslims and well, you can calculate that number.
But I don't know what the correct percentage is? Those that want Sharia Law is reportedly very high. That system conflicts with the US Constitution so often, so badly, I can't imaging a compromise in that area.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-19/51-us-muslims-want-sharia

Then we have those that object to this poll. But there objections seem irrelevant to me.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-51-of-American-Muslims-want-to-live-by-Sharia-Law

 

[MarAzul]

Have you ever been in a village of non-pirate Muslims

Can't say I know the answer to the question. I have only been in a few small Muslim villages and I don't know if they were pirates. Not being close to the sea, I doubt it.
I have been in several large Citys though, Istanbul, Ankara, Riyhadh and Singapore. Singapore though has every religion and pirates. I never heard of a Buddhist pirate, no word on Hindu pirates either.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Might be right.
That results in a large number of people though, of the two billion world wide. 5% would be 10,000,000. Several time more than the US military. If we chose wrongly, we could fight a war with this population until time runs out.

3,000,000 US Muslims and well, you can calculate that number.

Let's say your 5% number is correct (and neither of us are qualified to say either way. It could be .05% for all we know.) That's 10million fundamentalist Muslims spread across several continents and dozens of countries, speaking dozens of languages and practicing dozens of different cultures. Now, why are you talking like we are fighting a war against them? We're talking about fundamentalists, not active terrorists.

But I don't know what the correct percentage is? Those that want Sharia Law is reportedly very high. That system conflicts with the US Constitution so often, so badly, I can't imaging a compromise in that area.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-19/51-us-muslims-want-sharia

Then we have those that object to this poll. But there objections seem irrelevant to me.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-51-of-American-Muslims-want-to-live-by-Sharia-Law

If the critique of the poll seems irrelevant to you, then I have a feeling you don't need that poll to inform your opinion; you've already made up your mind.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Can't say I know the answer to the question. I have only been in a few small Muslim villages and I don't know if they were pirates. Not being close to the sea, I doubt it.
I have been in several large Citys though, Istanbul, Ankara, Riyhadh and Singapore. Singapore though has every religion and pirates. I never heard of a Buddhist pirate, no word on Hindu pirates either.

Have you ever been to those cities in a non-military context?

 

[MarAzul]

If the critique of the poll seems irrelevant to you, then I have a feeling you don't need that poll to inform your opinion; you've already made up your mind.

Really!
Well, even if the following statement is true, and I sure don't think it is accurate, how does it affect the accuracy of the percentage?
"Finally, 60% of Muslims said that Sharia is compatible with the Constitution" They might say it, but that sure doesn't make it true. The Qur'an teaches this tactic, you know.

Then we have this one;
"The questions asked in the poll contained loaded language. For example, one such question was “Do you believe the Muslim Brotherhood in America accurately represents your views?” Either way the respondent answers, it implies that the Muslim Brotherhood exists in America."

Whether the Brotherhood exist in America is irrelevant as to the percentage of people that want Sharia Law.

 

[MarAzul]

Have you ever been to those cities in a non-military context?

The places I listed, I was there after my days in the military. The small pirate villages, were during my Navy days, and the hostages were the reason why. My first introduction to the word Kafir.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Really!

Really. You left this out:

"Firstly, CSP has a history of providing misinformation, or heavily biased information. Secondly, the poll was incorrectly and badly constructed; only 600 were surveyed, and it was an opt-in online survey, which the American Association for Public Opinion Research (AAPOR) considers to be inaccurate."

Another important point from the comments :

"Sharia Law is implemented in many forms, from formal laws governing Islamic controlled areas and Islamic religious police, and informal methods practiced by tribal groups, communities, and families. So even though the 51% should be taken with a grain of salt, many, many US Muslims support some form of Sharia Law. If you see a women with some form of head covering it is probably due to adherence to some type of Sharia."

Following Sharia is not a standardized practice. There are many "forms." Most Americans hear "Sharia" and they think that means the national laws of Saudi Arabia or tribal rules in Pakistan. Its pretty obvious that this poll was designed to make people think that American Muslims want to install that version of Sharia law in America-- and therefore make non-Muslims live by it. (Which is bullshit.)

 

[BonesJones]

Except that term isn't biblical. The verse that talks about defending one's faith (1 Peter 3:15) says, "...always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect." Can you tell me how that can be interpreted as attacking anyone?

Its a paraphrased Muslim passage.