Extra work for Vince?

[furnace]

his brain.</p>

His shot is fine. Instead of working on his jumper or his conditioning, he needs to work on his brain. He needs to work on his willingness to change his game for the sake of Jason Kidd and the Nets as a team.</p>

Change 1: Move without the ball a la Kerry Kittles</p>

Change 2: Reduce the number of fade away jumpers. I did a study over the course of a few games last year on BBB.net and proved that he makes way over 50% of his jumpers when he sets his feet and shoots straight up. He shoots way under 50% when he fades away. Change 3: Remain aggressive at the end of games even if he is not getting the foul call. No loop de loop shots. They might look cool...IF they go in. The Knicks game last Friday was a great example of how efficient Vince can be with his shots if he stays in attack mode instead of loop de loop fade away mode. It's been 10 years...Vince should not wear down his body anymore by adding gym time. Just make some simple mental adjustments and he'll be fine...</p>

http://www.nj.com/nets/ledger/index.ssf?/b...6530.xml&coll=1

 

[FOMW]

Wow. That's the first time I've ever heard a critic (and a vocal one at that) of someone's game indicate that "extra work" on that game is "not necessary".</p>

Vince's jumper can desert him at times, as it did in most of the playoffs in 07 (and I'm not talking fallaways). If extra reps give him the edge in keeping that jumper consistent and his confidence in it high, I think that's terrific. It can only help make ALL of his game better because, despite this very underappreciated fact, both the quality of his driving opportunities and team results when he does drive will be improved by having a better jumper that draws his man defender tight to him before he even starts those drives.</p>

And while I'm all in favor of him shooting straight up when possible, fallaways are an important part of his arsenal, as they were for names like Bird, Jordan, Barkley, Dantley, English, McHale, and many others who utlized baseline jumpers from in or near the low post. I hope he's not only working on his straightup jumper but on his fallaways.</p>

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[J.S]

The article is a good read. I am encouraged as a fan to know that he's still hungry, and has rededicated himself to honing his craft and growing as a player.

I believe that both the added motion options, and a beefed up front line will allow him to play a more efficient version of his game.

 

[furnace]

Just cuz Jordan and McHale used them, doesn't mean Vince should.

Yes, it is good that it is in his arsenal. But he should not use them as much as he does. In the Knicks pre-season game, Vince would be backing someone down, then turn around and jump straight up or into the defender. That forced the defender to lay off for fear of fouling him. Vince made all those shots.

I have full confidence in Vince's jumper when he shoots straight up. It is a higher percentage shot than a fade away and to think otherwise is idiocy. Therefore, any player should shoot straight up with good form whenever possible.

What Vince does need to do is modify his mentality from a ball in hand dribble drive or drive and kick player, to a back door cutting catch and dunk or catch and shoot player. He is a better finisher than Kittle ever was. Vince should USE JKIDD's court vision and passing ability to the fullest and get easy baskets at and above the rim.

 

[Universe]

With Krstic back, the extra pass will free up a lot of open looks.</p>

 

[Kidd Karma]

You know, they cite figures to boast VC's confidence, but the evidence of a great player, is the W's, if you're playing in June. It goes beyond the stat sheet, it goes beyond the awards. How can you improve the team? Deferring and just sitting at the 3 point stripe won't get it done, he has to buying into the Frank system, every trip down the floor, the guy can avearge 30 points, but for 45 losses, who cares. I'll take 18 points and 60 wins.</p>

 

[furnace]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd Karma)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

You know, they cite figures to boast VC's confidence, but the evidence of a great player, is the W's, if you're playing in June. It goes beyond the stat sheet, it goes beyond the awards. How can you improve the team? Deferring and just sitting at the 3 point stripe won't get it done, he has to buying into the Frank system, every trip down the floor, the guy can avearge 30 points, but for 45 losses, who cares. I'll take 18 points and 60 wins.</p>

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Some people on this board just don't understand that.</p>

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[Teaneck_Armory_Guy]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd Karma)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

[snip]... but the evidence of a great player, is the W's, if you're playing in June. </p>

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If that logic's always the case, then using the same logic over the last 2 1/2 to 3 years the Nets didn't have any great players over that period I assume ...including Jason Kidd? Kidd doesn't have any more Ws than Carter in that time-frame nor did he get any farther in the playoffs.</p>

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[dirtyjerzz]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd Karma)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

You know, they cite figures to boast VC's confidence, but the evidence of a great player, is the W's, if you're playing in June. It goes beyond the stat sheet, it goes beyond the awards. How can you improve the team? Deferring and just sitting at the 3 point stripe won't get it done, he has to buying into the Frank system, every trip down the floor, the guy can avearge 30 points, but for 45 losses, who cares. I'll take 18 points and 60 wins.</p>

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Well said. I dont really expect much of a change from Carter. He is what he is. But he does look like has has been lifting more then usual. His arms look ripped.</p>

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[FOMW]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace)</div><div class='quotemain'>It is a higher percentage shot than a fade away and to think otherwise is idiocy.</div></p>

No one ever contended otherwise. But it should remain a weapon he uses, particularly when posting and being turned baseline because it is a uniquely indefensible shot and it is TOTALLY up to how well he (or anyone else) executes it. The results -- whether he scores with it or not -- are entirely within his control. That's it's value.</p>

Idiocy is saying it's "not necessary" to work on his jumper, as though that time would be better used sitting back and pontificating about how much he's going to move without the ball this year. I will guarantee you this year that at least 2 games will be won or lost entirely on his ability to shoot a jumper. That is reason enough for him to put in extra time on it.</p>

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[furnace]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace)</div><div class='quotemain'>It is a higher percentage shot than a fade away and to think otherwise is idiocy.</div></p>

No one ever contended otherwise. But it should remain a weapon he uses, particularly when posting and being turned baseline because it is a uniquely indefensible shot and it is TOTALLY up to how well he (or anyone else) executes it. The results -- whether he scores with it or not -- are entirely within his control. That's it's value.</p>

Idiocy is saying it's "not necessary" to work on his jumper, as though that time would be better used sitting back and pontificating about how much he's going to move without the ball this year. I will guarantee you this year that at least 2 games will be won or lost entirely on his ability to shoot a jumper. That is reason enough for him to put in extra time on it.</p>

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I never said to get rid of the fade away. I just said to save it for when it is really necessary. Use it sparingly. Like anti-biotics, don't use it too much or people will develop defense/immunity.</p>



Who said "sitting back and pontificating"? I'm talking about studying tape of the Princton Offense, studying tape about how Kerry moved, and using the after hours to run through those cuts with the assistant coaches.</p>