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jlprk said:
Everywhere I go to read about space or computers, the words "Musk" or "Space-X" dominate headlines. So boring. If you want such news without Musk domination, it becomes Seattle-centric.

https://www.geekwire.com/
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That's what happens when you're having the most success and launching 90% of weight to orbit for the US.

I truly wish there was legit competition.

I'd love to read about more than just an Elon Musk company making big advances.
 
You're falling for the media blitz giving 90% of the articles to Musk. It's a media rookie trap, similar to a new NBA fan thinking that the Lakers are the end-all and be-all. It takes a few years of reading to separate your mind from the media's ruling paradigm. There are reusable rockets and electric cars, other than Musk's, from both the U.S. and China.

Example:
This week, 2 rocket launches are planned, the size of a Saturn 5. The Space-X launch is getting all the publicity. But Blue Origin will launch, too. The media embargoes news from Seattle's Blue Origin. Launch windows may change:

1/9 10:00pm-1:45am PT Blue Origin
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=61459.msg2653303#msg2653303

1/10-1/16 2:00-3:38pm PT Space-X, except 1/11 5:00-6:38am PT
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=61946.msg2652882#msg2652882
 
Musk received 2024 Rusty Razor "award" from the British Question, Explore, Discover conference as " most prolific spreader of pseudoscience".
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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jlprk said:
You're falling for the media blitz giving 90% of the articles to Musk. It's a media rookie trap, similar to a new NBA fan thinking that the Lakers are the end-all and be-all. It takes a few years of reading to separate your mind from the media's ruling paradigm. There are reusable rockets and electric cars, other than Musk's, from both the U.S. and China.

Example:
This week, 2 rocket launches are planned, the size of a Saturn 5. The Space-X launch is getting all the publicity. But Blue Origin will launch, too. The media embargoes news from Seattle's Blue Origin. Launch windows may change:

1/9 10:00pm-1:45am PT Blue Origin
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=61459.msg2653303#msg2653303

1/10-1/16 2:00-3:38pm PT Space-X, except 1/11 5:00-6:38am PT
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=61946.msg2652882#msg2652882
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I am just as aware of the Blue Origin launch as the SpaceX launch.

The media can't really embargo Blue origin news... Bezos literally owns a wing of the media...

Blue origin has been far less productive and is capable of far less. Despite starting two years before SpaceX.

And both companies are owned by billionaire douchebags.

Regardless of who owns them, I will be excited to see the advances they are able to make. I love the idea of O'Neill cylinders, which seems to be a bigger goal of Bezos.

Though, I'm sure both are targeting asteroid mining. Which is super exciting.

I sincerely hope that we have good enough employee protections to prevent these oligarchs from abusing the people who are doing all the work.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Regardless of who owns them, I will be excited to see the advances they are able to make. I love the idea of O'Neill cylinders, which seems to be a bigger goal of Bezos.

Though, I'm sure both are targeting asteroid mining. Which is super exciting.

I sincerely hope that we have good enough employee protections to prevent these oligarchs from abusing the people who are doing all the work.
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I don't think you can be excited about the ends if you know what the means will be
 
Everything Beagle said:
I don't think you can be excited about the ends if you know what the means will be
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We should set laws up that prevent the means from being bad.

I'm not going to hope for us to never make an advancement because people could be harmed. People get hurt driving every day. There is an element of risk in everything.

I believe firmly in setting up systems to reduce those risks and punish people who break the rules. And I'll continue pushing for those things.

And I'll continue cheering human technological advancement.
 
Phatguysrule said:
We should set laws up that prevent the means from being bad.

I'm not going to hope for us to never make an advancement because people could be harmed. People get hurt driving every day. There is an element of risk in everything.

I believe firmly in setting up systems to reduce those risks and punish people who break the rules. And I'll continue pushing for those things.

And I'll continue cheering human advancement.
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This isn't about workplace safety, this is about mass slavery. I'm not going to cheer for "human advancement" if it's advancing one human at the expense of 100,000. AND YES I know that I participate in society; I just don't think you can justify space mining when the guys calling for it are fans of the trans-atlantic slave trade.
 
Everything Beagle said:
This isn't about workplace safety, this is about mass slavery. I'm not going to cheer for "human advancement" if it's advancing one human at the expense of 100,000. AND YES I know that I participate in society; I just don't think you can justify space mining when the guys calling for it are fans of the trans-atlantic slave trade.
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I don't see how asteroid mining or technological advancements encourage slavery at all. No more than any other business practice.

Especially if we set policies that guarantee good working conditions and pay while punishing entities (and even people) severely for violating those rules.

Hell, a great argument can be made for space-based solar completely solving all of our energy needs on Earth.
 
When I was a kid, I was a HUGE fan of science fiction, and especially space travel. The asshole billionaires who've taken over from non-profit science-nerd operations like NASA have entirely killed my enthusiasm for it. The future's looking a lot less Star Trek and a lot more Soylent Green every day that passes.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
When I was a kid, I was a HUGE fan of science fiction, and especially space travel. The asshole billionaires who've taken over from non-profit science-nerd operations like NASA have entirely killed my enthusiasm for it. The future's looking a lot less Star Trek and a lot more Soylent Green every day that passes.
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The problem is the science-nerd operations were no longer getting it done because they weren't the science-nerd operations they started as.

The government quit funding R&D and (really education in general).

I would absolutely love to get back to that as well.
 
Phatguysrule said:
asteroid mining
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Asteroid mining is centuries in the future. I read space stuff daily by engineers. You probably read stuff by science fiction writers. No one who I read pairs mining with space exploration. You sound silly when you do so.

asteroid to Earth: Musk himself admitted that there is no substance (e.g. emeralds, uranium), no matter how costly to mine on Earth, which is cheaper to mine in space, then bring to Earth.*

asteroid to anywhere else: For at least a couple of centuries (and I think double that), it will be cheaper to import from Earth. The U.S. imported all but basic technology from Europe until the late 1800s, when American population was bigger than Britain's.

*Edit: He added that this is true, even "if the substance is lying on the surface." That means, transportation cost (of cargo to Earth) alone precludes mining. You don't have to include mining cost (bringing to the asteroid, and maintaining, workers and hundreds of tons of industrial machines).
 
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jlprk said:
Asteroid mining is centuries in the future. I read space stuff daily by engineers. You probably read stuff by science fiction writers. No one who I read pairs mining with space exploration. You sound silly when you do so.

asteroid to Earth: Musk himself admitted that there is no substance (e.g. emeralds, uranium), no matter how costly to mine on Earth, which is cheaper to mine in space, then bring to Earth.

asteroid to anywhere else: For at least a couple of centuries (and I think double that), it will be cheaper to import from Earth. The U.S. imported all but basic technology from Europe until the late 1800s, when American population was bigger than Britain's.
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Sure, but there is nothing wrong with working toward that. There really isn't a downside and we'll likely make a lot of advancements (by working toward that goal) which will be very beneficial for humanity now and in the near future.
 
The downside of a fake/aspirational goal is the waste of money, which could be spent on a reachable goal.

Fats, you seen interested in space, so I'll post this. The first launch is planned at 10pm PT tonight of Jeff Bezos' new rocket, with half the thrust and weight of a Saturn 5 but reusable.

 
jlprk said:
The downside of a fake/aspirational goal is the waste of money, which could be spent on a reachable goal.

Fats, you seen interested in space, so I'll post this. The first launch is planned at 10pm PT tonight of Jeff Bezos' new rocket, with half the thrust and weight of a Saturn 5 but reusable.

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Does it look like a big penis like his last rocket did?
 
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