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Tesla speeds up odometers to avoid warranty repairs, US lawsuit claims

(Reuters) - Tesla faces a proposed class action claiming it speeds up odometers on its electric vehicles so they fall out of warranty faster, saving Elon Musk's company from having to pay for repairs.

The plaintiff Nyree Hinton alleged that Tesla odometer readings reflect energy consumption, driver behavior and "predictive algorithms" rather than actual mileage driven.

He said the odometer on the 2020 Model Y he bought in December 2022 with 36,772 miles on the clock ran at least 15% fast, based on his other vehicles and driving history, and for a while said he drove 72 miles a day when at most he drove 20.

Hinton, a Los Angeles resident, said this caused his 50,000-mile basic warranty to expire well ahead of schedule, leaving him with a $10,000 suspension repair bill that he thought Tesla should cover.

"By tying warranty limits and lease mileage caps to inflated 'odometer' readings, Tesla increases repair revenue, reduces warranty obligations, and compels consumers to purchase extended warranties prematurely," the complaint said.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-speeds-odometers-avoid-warranty-213536596.html
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Tesla speeds up odometers to avoid warranty repairs, US lawsuit claims

(Reuters) - Tesla faces a proposed class action claiming it speeds up odometers on its electric vehicles so they fall out of warranty faster, saving Elon Musk's company from having to pay for repairs.

The plaintiff Nyree Hinton alleged that Tesla odometer readings reflect energy consumption, driver behavior and "predictive algorithms" rather than actual mileage driven.

He said the odometer on the 2020 Model Y he bought in December 2022 with 36,772 miles on the clock ran at least 15% fast, based on his other vehicles and driving history, and for a while said he drove 72 miles a day when at most he drove 20.

Hinton, a Los Angeles resident, said this caused his 50,000-mile basic warranty to expire well ahead of schedule, leaving him with a $10,000 suspension repair bill that he thought Tesla should cover.

"By tying warranty limits and lease mileage caps to inflated 'odometer' readings, Tesla increases repair revenue, reduces warranty obligations, and compels consumers to purchase extended warranties prematurely," the complaint said.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/tesla-speeds-odometers-avoid-warranty-213536596.html
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That could be a huge deal. Tampering with mileage on even one vehicle is felony fraud...
 
Phatguysrule said:
True.
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Hopefully these fraud charges, the insider trader charges (Tariff stock drama), the domestic terrorism charges (dumping California's summer water), the contempt of court charges (deporting people without due process), etc etc are all postponed until 2028 then fucking bitch slap them all.
 
DaLong said:
Hopefully these fraud charges, the insider trader charges (Tariff stock drama), the domestic terrorism charges (dumping California's summer water), the contempt of court charges (deporting people without due process), etc etc are all postponed until 2028 then fucking bitch slap them all.
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I was thinking that.. but can't Trump pardon them in advance to head that off? Doesn't seem like he should be able to. but it seems like it has happened...
 
DaLong said:
He’s a buddy of the President, they’ll all just be pardoned.
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Even worse, after they claim Elon did nothing wrong, they'll go after all the people who use Teslas for Uber and Lyft and believed their ODO for the mileage deduction for tax fraud.
 
DaLong said:
Hopefully these fraud charges, the insider trader charges (Tariff stock drama), the domestic terrorism charges (dumping California's summer water), the contempt of court charges (deporting people without due process), etc etc are all postponed until 2028 then fucking bitch slap them all.
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Why do you think Trump is doing his best to ensure there are no more elections?
 
Elon took Teslas name and Trump (well his uncle anyway) took Teslas papers and ideas.
 
Elon Musk Calls Claims That He’s a Nazi ‘Outrageous’
Elon Musk, the head of Donald Trump’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency, said “it’s an outrageous thing to claim that I’m a Nazi” in a clip from an interview with Fox News that was released Friday, slamming how he’s been covered by the media. He also said that if his detractors could “press a button” and kill him, they would, but he is “difficult to kill.”

At Trump’s post-inauguration rally, Musk gave a straight-arm salute that many, including his estranged daughter, interpreted to be a Sieg Heil. Since he bought Twitter, now social platform X, he has restored white supremacist accounts that were previously banned. In March, as he was carrying out widespread firings of federal workers, he shared a post from an X account that said that Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, and Mao Zedong didn’t cause the deaths of millions of people. Instead, public workers did. After criticism, he removed the post.

Shortly after Trump’s inauguration, Musk spoke virtually at a campaign event for a far-right German political party, Alternative für Deutschland. He said that Germans should not lose their culture to “multiculturalism.”

“Children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their great grandparents,” he said.

Musk has become increasingly unpopular as he slashes the federal government via DOGE, cutting agencies and programs. Tesla dealerships have been the location of protests, vandalism, and arson; the company’s cars have been given the name “swasticars.” In March, Musk said that he and the DOGE team were getting death threats on a daily basis.

“You grew up in South Africa,” Lara Trump, Trump’s daughter-in-law and Fox News host, said in the new interview. “You lived during a period of Apartheid. I’m sure you’ve seen a lot of horrific things. So to be called a Nazi by people, to be made out to be this monster, that must be really hard for you.”

“It’s a relentless propaganda campaign, which obviously President Trump has experienced for a very long time,” Musk said. “Twenty years, maybe longer. And politics is a blood sport. So they’re going to come up with whatever attacks they can to destroy the public perception of someone.”

“Now, obviously,” he continued, “I’ve not harmed anyone in my life, so it’s an outrageous thing to claim that I’m a Nazi, because the issue with Nazis was not their mannerisms or their, you know, choice of dress, but the fact that they killed millions of people. That’s the issue. They’ve also called President Trump a Nazi, and there was one publication that said He’s … worse than Hitler, Stalin, and maybe Mao combined, but he also is not a violent person, and, in fact, has done a lot to prevent wars and stop wars, which is the very opposite of being a Nazi.”

“Ironic how that works out,” Lara Trump said.

“But it is disappointing how well propaganda works,” Musk said. “If you repeat a lie, you know, the sort of ‘he’s a Nazi’ line enough times, some people actually believe it, especially people that still believe the legacy news. So if they still think that what CNN says with the exception of Scott Jennings is true, then, you know, they call me an Nazi on CNN. So if someone believes CNN, then they would say, ‘Oh … that’s an Nazi.’ That’s because they said it on TV. The person on the TV said it. But they really are trying every angle to get me.”

In January, Elon Musk’s mother had encouraged him in a post on X to sue CNN after Washington Post columnist Catherine Rampell argued with conservative panelist Scott Jennings about the straight-arm gesture. Rampell told him he should do the same gesture on television if it was not controversial.
“Why don’t you do it on TV right now? Why don’t you do it on TV right now if you think it’s so, so banal,” Rampell said. Jennings, of course, did not do the gesture.

In his interview with Lara Trump, Musk said he thinks some people want him dead.
“If they could press a button and kill me in reality, they would press that button immediately, but since I’m a little difficult to kill, they are doing character assassination instead,” he said.

It’s unclear who the “they” is he’s referring to, but it appears he’s getting paranoid.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-musk-nazi-claims-fox-news-1235330984/
 
"I only did the Nazi salute on national TV twice. I don't understand why people think I'm a Nazi."

barfo
 
The horrific things Musk saw in South Africa was the end of apartheid and beginning of democracy and majority rule. I'm sure Elon and Lara consider that horrific. It's why Elon left.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Elon Musk Calls Claims That He’s a Nazi ‘Outrageous’
Elon Musk, the head of Donald Trump’s so-called Department of Government Efficiency, said “it’s an outrageous thing to claim that I’m a Nazi” in a clip from an interview with Fox News that was released Friday, slamming how he’s been covered by the media. He also said that if his detractors could “press a button” and kill him, they would, but he is “difficult to kill.”

At Trump’s post-inauguration rally, Musk gave a straight-arm salute that many, including his estranged daughter, interpreted to be a Sieg Heil. Since he bought Twitter, now social platform X, he has restored white supremacist accounts that were previously banned. In March, as he was carrying out widespread firings of federal workers, he shared a post from an X account that said that Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, and Mao Zedong didn’t cause the deaths of millions of people. Instead, public workers did. After criticism, he removed the post.

Shortly after Trump’s inauguration, Musk spoke virtually at a campaign event for a far-right German political party, Alternative für Deutschland. He said that Germans should not lose their culture to “multiculturalism.”

“Children should not be guilty of the sins of their parents, let alone their great grandparents,” he said.

Musk has become increasingly unpopular as he slashes the federal government via DOGE, cutting agencies and programs. Tesla dealerships have been the location of protests, vandalism, and arson; the company’s cars have been given the name “swasticars.” In March, Musk said that he and the DOGE team were getting death threats on a daily basis.

“You grew up in South Africa,” Lara Trump, Trump’s daughter-in-law and Fox News host, said in the new interview. “You lived during a period of Apartheid. I’m sure you’ve seen a lot of horrific things. So to be called a Nazi by people, to be made out to be this monster, that must be really hard for you.”

“It’s a relentless propaganda campaign, which obviously President Trump has experienced for a very long time,” Musk said. “Twenty years, maybe longer. And politics is a blood sport. So they’re going to come up with whatever attacks they can to destroy the public perception of someone.”

“Now, obviously,” he continued, “I’ve not harmed anyone in my life, so it’s an outrageous thing to claim that I’m a Nazi, because the issue with Nazis was not their mannerisms or their, you know, choice of dress, but the fact that they killed millions of people. That’s the issue. They’ve also called President Trump a Nazi, and there was one publication that said He’s … worse than Hitler, Stalin, and maybe Mao combined, but he also is not a violent person, and, in fact, has done a lot to prevent wars and stop wars, which is the very opposite of being a Nazi.”

“Ironic how that works out,” Lara Trump said.

“But it is disappointing how well propaganda works,” Musk said. “If you repeat a lie, you know, the sort of ‘he’s a Nazi’ line enough times, some people actually believe it, especially people that still believe the legacy news. So if they still think that what CNN says with the exception of Scott Jennings is true, then, you know, they call me an Nazi on CNN. So if someone believes CNN, then they would say, ‘Oh … that’s an Nazi.’ That’s because they said it on TV. The person on the TV said it. But they really are trying every angle to get me.”

In January, Elon Musk’s mother had encouraged him in a post on X to sue CNN after Washington Post columnist Catherine Rampell argued with conservative panelist Scott Jennings about the straight-arm gesture. Rampell told him he should do the same gesture on television if it was not controversial.
“Why don’t you do it on TV right now? Why don’t you do it on TV right now if you think it’s so, so banal,” Rampell said. Jennings, of course, did not do the gesture.

In his interview with Lara Trump, Musk said he thinks some people want him dead.
“If they could press a button and kill me in reality, they would press that button immediately, but since I’m a little difficult to kill, they are doing character assassination instead,” he said.

It’s unclear who the “they” is he’s referring to, but it appears he’s getting paranoid.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/elon-musk-nazi-claims-fox-news-1235330984/
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It's cute he talks about how a lie and propaganda can happen when this nazi fucking idiot got played by that very thing.
 
Who TF is Gorklon Rust and why is a schizophrenic overseeing Americas financial programs?
 
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Musk ranting about widespread fraud in Social Security. Claimed more than 40% of calls to social security are fraudulent. Set up fraud detection software. No calls could be acted on for three days while fraud detection software scrutinized them.

After screening 110,000 calls they found ... two calls rated as probable fraud. You don't need to be a math nerd to know 2 is not 40% of 110,000.

Meanwhile thousands of social security recipients had their problems held up pending investigation. Government efficiency!
 
Critical US Navy data base has no disaster recovery as contract for cloud storage and retrieval cancelled by DOGE.
 
Starship Was Doomed From The Beginning
The fatal flaw SpaceX can't overcome.
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Will Lockett
Mar 11, 2025

Musk’s impotent attempts to get his giant shiny phallus to work are the perfect metaphor for the man. Indeed, Starship seemed promising at first if you didn’t ask too many questions. But, after back-to-back failures and having never come close to completing its design brief (including actually landing Starship and making the spacecraft fully reusable), as well as a litany of painful design flaws, such as only being able to take 50% of its promised payload capacity to orbit, many are starting to question the viability of this idiotic machine and its “iterative design process.”. And so they should. Indeed, with the most recent launch failure as context, it becomes evident that Starship was doomed from the get-go and that SpaceX might never be able to rectify this mess.

Why?

Well, for a start, the past two launches (tests 7 and 8) seemed to fail for the exact same reason.

Like the launch back in January, the latest launch initially went well, with the Super Heavy Booster separating, landing safely, and taking Starship into a suborbital space trajectory. But once in space, that’s where all the problems began.

SrouBoth tests failed when an uncontrollable fire broke out in the aft section, taking out rocket engines, severing communications, and triggering a self-destruct sequence. SpaceX recently announced that the fire in the January launch was caused by vibrations breaking fuel lines, causing a giant leak, which is a pathetic excuse (read morehere). In the aftermath of the most recent mishap, SpaceX announced it was caused by “an energetic event in the aft portion of Starship [that] resulted in the loss of several Raptor engines.”

Yeah… It sounds suspiciously like SpaceX failed to fix the weak fuel line issue. So much for “iterative design.”

In fact, I know they didn’t.

SpaceX constructs Starships well ahead of time, as they take months to build. This means that the most recent launch couldn’t have had its design optimised to resolve the issues shown in January’s failure. And their payload shows this. The January test had a dummy cargo equivalent to 10 Starlink V2 satellites, weighing only eight tonnes or 8% of its designed payload. Meanwhile, the most recent test had just half of this in a transparent attempt to reduce vibration by reducing the load to spare the obviously flawed fuel system, which obviously didn’t work.

However, this is only true in the short term. The Starships SpaceX will build from here on will have this issue fixed. Right?

Well, no.

These tests were the first launches of Starship Version 2 (Block 2). This iteration is longer to accommodate more propellant, has smaller forward flaps to ensure they don’t fail during landing, and has a redesigned fuel line system.

The previous version of Starship had major fuel delivery issues, causing engines to fail repeatedly, and SpaceX has made the situation worse by trying to solve this problem in the long term! This is the complete opposite of iterative design, and despite what Musk says, it’s a gargantuan setback (read morehere).

But why has SpaceX failed to solve this problem? Well, it’s because of the bane of any rocket scientist: physics.

Landing the Super Heavy Booster is a far, far easier task than landing the Starship from orbit.

The Super Heavy Booster weighs 160 tonnes dry, doesn’t make it to space, and its peak speed is only roughly 4,600 mph. Meanwhile, Starship has a dry mass of around 150 tonnes, makes it to space, and reaches an orbital speed of at least 17,500 mph. This means that during landing, Starship has over 13.57 times the kinetic energy of the Booster! And that doesn’t account for the fact that Starship carries significantly more propellant during landing than the Booster.

All that energy has to go somewhere, and managing that is one hell of an engineering challenge. On top of that, Starship’s landing is also far more complex, as it has to reenter the atmosphere at those speeds. Not only does this process present significant aerodynamic challenges, but it also exposes Starship to enough heat energy to literally melt every gram of steel it is made from.

Okay, so what does that have to do with Starship’s repeated failures?

One word: weight.

The Block 1 tests of Starship showed that Musk’s plans to rely heavily on a bellyflop manoeuvre during reentry to slow down Starship and scrub off that kinetic energy using atmospheric resistance were a no-go. The craft repeatedly spiralled out of control, control surfaces failed, and reportedly, the inside of the craft became several times hotter than an oven. Fixing these issues would add a tonne of weight, as the front fins would need to be massively reinforced, and the giant heat shield would need to be beefed up significantly. On top of that, these tests confirmed that SpaceX’s engines couldn’t produce the mythical levels of thrust Musk promised, and as such, the projected payload to LEO was cut in half.

These faults would render Starship utterly useless. Musk needed a solution. Here is my hypothesis of how he tried to solve this with Block 2.

Because the bellyflop manoeuvre is a no-go, Block 2 is designed to slow down more with its retro rockets (where the rockets are fired in the direction of travel to slow down). This should make landing more viable, as the craft should be more controllable. This would also enable the front fins to be shrunk and the heat shield to be thinned, saving weight. But this will also require more propellant, especially as the rockets have less thrust than planned. This is why Block 2 is larger and heavier than Block 1.

This puts incredible pressure on SpaceX to save weight anywhere they possibly can, which is why the rockets keep failing.You can’t make them much lighter than they already are.

To solve the fuel system issues with Block 1, fuel lines with larger internal diameters were needed to increase fuel flow, and larger external walls were needed to increase durability. But this would add an incredible amount of weight that they don’t have the liberty to use, as it would further reduce their already pathetic payload to space and make landing the damn thing even harder than it already is.

As such, SpaceX is having to make the rockets too light, resulting in them being fragile, meaning that just the vibrations from operation with a fraction of its expected payload would be enough to destroy the rocket.

Indeed, we can see this with the planned Block 3 version of Starship. It is even longer than Block 2 to accommodate even more propellant to help increase its shrinking payload and ensure it can slow down enough to land. But somehow, it weighs significantly less than the smaller Block 2.

Where have these weight savings come from? They aren’t changing any major materials. They aren’t changing any structural designs. They aren’t redesigning the entire engine or fuel tank setup. The only way is if major systems are built with a smallersafety factor, making crucial systems vulnerable and weak.

That is why Starship keeps failing and will continue to fail.

Let’s not forget that for Starship to be a viable rocket and meet its fabled low launch costs and human-space-flight approval, launches and landings have to be almost 100% reliable. However, being forced to reduce the safety factor to save weight, such as reliability, is impossible. This is an inbuilt fatal flaw.

But how did SpaceX get here? Why have they spent billions of dollars of taxpayer money on a concept that has such a fundamental problem?

Simple. Musk isn’t an engineer and doesn’t understand iterative design, and now SpaceX and NASA are facing a sunk cost fallacy.

You never achieve iterative design with a full-scale prototype. It is incredibly wasteful and can lead you down several problematic and dead-end solutions. I used to engineer high-speed boats — another weight- and safety-sensitive engineering field. We would always conduct scale model tests of every aspect of design, iteratively changing it as we went so that when we did build the full-scale version, we were solving the problems of scale, not design and scale simultaneously.

SpaceX could have easily done this. They already proved they could land a 1st stage/Booster with the Falcon 9, and Falcon 9’s Booster could launch a 1/10 scale Starship into orbit. Tests of such a scaled-down model would help SpaceX determine the best compromise for using the bellyflop manoeuvre and retro rockets to land. It would help themiterativelyimprove the design around such a compromise, especially as they will be far cheaper and quicker to redesign and build than the full-scale versions. Not only that, but these tests would highlight any of the design’s shortcomings, such as the rocket engines not having enough thrust-to-weight ratio to enable a high enough payload. This allows engineers to do crucial, complete redesigns before the large-scale version is even built.

If you have even a passing knowledge of engineering, you know this is what iterative design looks like. So, why hasn’t Musk done this?

Well, developing a Starship like this would expose that making a fully reusable rocket with even a barely usable payload to space is impossible. Musk knows this: Falcon 9 was initially meant to be fully reusable until he discovered that the useful payload would be zero. That was his iterative design telling him Starship was impossible over a decade ago, as just making the rocket larger won’t solve this! But he went on ahead anyway. Why?

Well, through some transparent corruption and cronyism, he could secure multi-billion-dollar contracts from NASA to build this mythical rocket. But, by going for full-scale testing, he could not only hide the inherent flaws of Starship long enough for the cash to be handed over to him but also put NASA in a position of the sunk cost fallacy. NASA has given SpaceX so much money, and their plans rely so heavily on Starship that they can’t walk away; they might as well keep shoving money at the beast.

This is why Starship, in my opinion, is just one massive con.

That is the real reason why Starship was doomed to fail from the beginning. It’s not trying to revolutionise the space industry; if it were, its concept, design, and testing plan would be totally different. Instead, the entire project is optimised to fleece as much money from the US taxpayer as possible, and as such, that is all it will ever do.

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Another one just exploded.

Face it. Dude isn't that smart. And too egomaniacal to learn from mistakes.
 
crandc said:
Another one just exploded.

Face it. Dude isn't that smart. And too egomaniacal to learn from mistakes.
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It's Trump's fault. He's making them too expensive to build. Trying to cut corners.
 
After New York Times reporter asked him a question, Elon sneered the New York Times that just lost lawsuit over Russia hoax and has to give back Pulitzer. Three lies in one sentence! Trump lawsuit is against Pulitzer committee, not New York Times, lawsuit hasn't been heard yet, much less "lost" and no one is giving back Pulitzer.

Point wasn't to tell the truth, obviously, but to put commoner in their place for daring to question high lord Elon.
 
crandc said:
Another one just exploded.

Face it. Dude isn't that smart. And too egomaniacal to learn from mistakes.
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My (retired) brother-in-law just visited and told a story of being held up on the freeway for three hours - traffic going BOTH ways. Turned out it was a Tesla that had exploded and burned with such heat that it set the paint on houses by the freeway on fire and all that was left was the beams, and they were burned shiny. There was also a foot-deep hole in the freeway because everything had burned away. Who knows if they'll ever identify the driver because there isn't even dust left.
 
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