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Half of the forum would have accepted the deal if Jaquez was in it. Everybody knew he was ready for play.
 
robson said:
Half of the forum would have accepted the deal if Jaquez was in it. Everybody knew he was ready for play.
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I guess it was the silent half because the way I remember it JJjr was not a priority for most in this forum. A few thought he sucked.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Not to be That Guy, but how do you know? It was never revealed by either side exactly what the Heat's offer was. All we got was media speculation.
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Yeah, for the most part my conclusion stems from what we heard across the wire. We were hearing players and picks rumored to be in the proposed deal, and Jaquez's name was never included. Miami had a good amount of time before we walked away and started talking to Milwaukee. They never as reported put their best foot forward. They were trying to get Dame for nothing. If they would have put their best offer forward without playing games, including Jaquez, Portland likely would have taken it. They didn't though. They thought they forced our hand with the public announcement of Dame only wanting to go there.

Cronin waited and thank goodness he did.
 
Chris Craig said:
If they would have put their best offer forward without playing games, including Jaquez, Portland likely would have taken it.
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Again, speculation. Their offer never looked good at the time: Jaquez was unproven and Herro was a tarnished asset. It's only now that Timelord looks possibly broken beyond repair and Brunson even more fragile than we thought, and Jaquez has kicked ass throughout the season and Herro suddenly looks amazing in the playoffs that the Heat's offer looks a lot better.

Actually I think our BEST move would have been to hang on to Jrue Holiday. He was the best asset (other than Dame, and possibly not even him) in the whole deal. But he probably made it clear he was never going to set foot in Portland and that spooked Cronin.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Again, speculation. Their offer never looked good at the time: Jaquez was unproven and Herro was a tarnished asset. It's only now that Timelord looks possibly broken beyond repair and Brunson even more fragile than we thought, and Jaquez has kicked ass throughout the season and Herro suddenly looks amazing in the playoffs that the Heat's offer looks a lot better.

Actually I think our BEST move would have been to hang on to Jrue Holiday. He was the best asset (other than Dame, and possibly not even him) in the whole deal. But he probably made it clear he was never going to set foot in Portland and that spooked Cronin.
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Keeping Jrue wouldn't have made any sense at all, IMO.
 
Just the way I remember it …

Miami overplayed their hand, the media facilitated the forgone conclusion of players getting what they want or — or oh no! Portland won’t be a free agent destination if they don’t cut the deal (wow! How dumb given the common assertion that Portland is not a free agent destination!) … Being reasonable was what Portland was supposed to do — and only Portland.

Herro isn’t trash and neither is Ant, and I want Ant traded for best return before he starts talking about a raise.
All we had on the young guys from Miami was a big maybe. Maybe one. Trade Hero. Lowry as obvious filler, smile and like it. Oh, and maybe get an unproven young guy FOR a superstar on the wrong side of 30 and getting BIG $$$.

I have ZERO issues with what Cronin got in trade. He treated Dame as good as it gets while still remembering who he works for. He treated Jrue really well — which was appreciated and documented. And Miami and their fans and their media friends moved on. Cronin won for the Blazers and showed he can get the deal done with no leaks or b.s.

We’ll see what happens this summer.
 
I noticed Barry Jackson having a meltdown on Twitter over Dame not getting traded to the Heat (yes, after the whole season) and Cronin getting more votes for Exec of the Year than Pat Riley.

Then I noticed Aaron Fentress tweeted something four days ago to suggest the Heat offered the better deal ... and it only had 405 views and zero engagements.
 
PCmor7 said:
I noticed Barry Jackson having a meltdown on Twitter over Dame not getting traded to the Heat (yes, after the whole season) and Cronin getting more votes for Exec of the Year than Pat Riley.

Then I noticed Aaron Fentress tweeted something four days ago to suggest the Heat offered the better deal ... and it only had 405 views and zero engagements.
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I notice that their prized young guys did jack shit in that last game.
 
Miami fans are like, ‘Fuck Herro’ but also ‘Fuck Portland for not trading Dame for bad picks and whatever Herro would have netted on the open market.’

interesting.
 
Anybody with internet access could see that the odds of an old fart like jimmy butler leading them to a ring were slim to none. Only the goats at that age can lead a team all the way. They had no chance ever. That kind of a bet is free money. Plus Dame is just as old and would not have helped that team.
 
If Miami had really offered everything (Herro, 2 unprotected firsts, 2 unprotected swaps, Jaquez, Jovic) then maybe there is an argument the Blazers could've been better off with that.

However sounds like Miami didn't want to offer all of that, they just wanted to steal Dame at a discount.

I still love controlling those 3 years of unprotected Bucks drafts, plus the unprotected Boston pick, plus we ended up with a lottery pick from the Warriors. yeah Brogdon/Timelord might not be worth as much as we hoped at the trade but all and all it was still a great haul.

Oh and fuck the Heat!
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
The Heat fans are in total meltdown mode right now on twitter :bwpopcorn:
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I am absolutely LOVING it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
SharpesTriumph said:
If Miami had really offered everything (Herro, 2 unprotected firsts, 2 unprotected swaps, Jaquez, Jovic) then maybe there is an argument the Blazers could've been better off with that.

However sounds like Miami didn't want to offer all of that, they just wanted to steal Dame at a discount.

I still love controlling those 3 years of unprotected Bucks drafts, plus the unprotected Boston pick, plus we ended up with a lottery pick from the Warriors. yeah Brogdon/Timelord might not be worth as much as we hoped at the trade but all and all it was still a great haul.

Oh and fuck the Heat!
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What always gets me is the Heat fans at the time Dame announced he wanted Miami were clear in saying that their team didn't have to give up nearly this package.

Now the same people are saying they offered all of this and it's a better package than what the Blazers got.

And neither of those is true.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
If Miami had really offered everything (Herro, 2 unprotected firsts, 2 unprotected swaps, Jaquez, Jovic) then maybe there is an argument the Blazers could've been better off with that.

However sounds like Miami didn't want to offer all of that, they just wanted to steal Dame at a discount.

I still love controlling those 3 years of unprotected Bucks drafts, plus the unprotected Boston pick, plus we ended up with a lottery pick from the Warriors. yeah Brogdon/Timelord might not be worth as much as we hoped at the trade but all and all it was still a great haul.

Oh and fuck the Heat!
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exactly. The Heat were never "all in" on Dame, not even close. WTF their idiotic fans say they were all in is beyond me. Do they know what "all in" means? Pat was tepid at best.
 
PCmor7 said:
What always gets me is the Heat fans at the time Dame announced he wanted Miami were clear in saying that their team didn't have to give up nearly this package.

Now the same people are saying they offered all of this and it's a better package than what the Blazers got.

And neither of those is true.
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Delusion is NOT their friend.
 
TBpup said:
Delusion is NOT their friend.
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Just saw a post on X, formerly Twitter, where a couple of Heat fans were debating trying to trade for Mikal Bridges, but one of the fans said they'd be giving up too much for a "fourth option."
 
PCmor7 said:
Just saw a post on X, formerly Twitter, where a couple of Heat fans were debating trying to trade for Mikal Bridges, but one of the fans said they'd be giving up too much for a "fourth option."
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the Heat ahould just get wife beater Bridges. Miami fans are too loaded on Wade's rings to give a crap who's wearing a uniform.
 
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