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^Pretty much summed it up. Jay wasn't really "murdered" on Renegade, just outrapped by a rapper who produced the instrumentals. Same thing with Moment of Clarity. You can just tell Eminem produced it. Jay is more suited for a Kanye or a Neptunes beat.

Blueprint 2 was still a good album. There were some really good songs like Hovi Baby, '03 Bonnie & Clyde, Excuse Me Miss and other songs that you can vibe with like Poppin' Tags, Some How Some Way, The Bounce. The fact that it was a double disc with 20+ songs made it a good album, IMO. I still like Blueprint better though.
 
Eminem actually does that quite a lot. I remember the Xzibit track "Don't Approach Me," where he pretty much dominated it.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">03 Bonnie & Clyde</div>


*dream stretches out his right arm, makes a fist, points his thumb upward, only to turn it 180 degrees facing the ground*
 
hahaha.....on a real though I just thought that song was a slap in the face to 2pac.....I mean Pac had a creative concept where he was talking about his gun...and Jay....well he was talking about Beyonce.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Eminem actually does that quite a lot. I remember the Xzibit track "Don't Approach Me," where he pretty much dominated it.</div>

Yeh, Eminem murders alot of people on their own tracks.

Eminem > Jay-Z
 
<div class="quote_poster">Laker_fan Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yeh, Eminem murders alot of people on their own tracks.

Eminem > Jay-Z</div>
Eminem was over 3 years ago.
Jay-Z came out in 96 and is still doing his thing.
Give me Jay-Z's personal struggles and natural flow over funk and soul beats with real instruments anyday over Eminemn's high-pitched frenetic paranoid stories about white trash keg parties over abrasive "horror film" string samples ripped straight out of Havoc's outtakes.
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<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">^^^you aren't missing anything by not having BP2 in your collection lol (it's average at best), it's funny u brought up the Rakim verse.....I've been saying for years that Ra torched Jay on that song (similar to Eminem)......Jay's verse was at least 24 bars (maybe even more) and he still got outrapped by Ra's 16 bars......just goes to show you how great he really is (talking about Rakim of course).</div>

In an interview, Jay-Z said his top 5 rappers alltime were:
Biggie
2Pac
Rakim
Big Daddy Kane
Scarface
 
^^^yeah I saw that....he gets a lot of his style from all of those guys....not a bad list at all. (especially Kane and Biggie)
 

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