Zombie FBI Press Conference on Hillary Clinton

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Damn! SlyPokerDog is a prime example of a fucking tool! It was criminal in my mind the shit she didn't do at Benghazi and the lies about it that should land her in the dump heap of history! In the eyes of every American. This crass disregard for law and honesty over the email, is just icing on the shitty cake. Then you want policy from this source? Tool!

I suppose it is her policy on the disregard for the 2nd amendment that lights your wick. Fuck! Sounds like a guy that would compete with kid for the candy thrown at the local parade.

You've got Sly as wrong as wrong can be. I've known him personally for many years and have found no finer human being. You can take that to the bank!
 
You've got Sly as wrong as wrong can be. I've known him personally for many years and have found no finer human being. You can take that to the bank!

Psst... I replace the name of the person he was insulting with my name. Marzy wasn't talking about me.
 
Benghazi has been cleared by everybody that's anybody including the President

Fuck! He was every bit as guilty as she. I saw the stupid video he and she blamed for the incident. Sickening!
 
MarAzul drinks American, not hipster.

Nothing wrong with drinking American beer. I drink American, Korean, Japanese, German and Irish.
Glenn Greenwald weighs in.

https://theintercept.com/2016/07/05...ing-secrecy-violations-until-hillary-clinton/

Washington Has Been Obsessed With Punishing Secrecy Violations — until Hillary Clinton

Had someone who was obscure and unimportant and powerless done what Hillary Clinton did – recklessly and secretly install a shoddy home server and worked with Top Secret information on it, then outright lied to the public about it when they were caught – they would have been criminally charged long ago, with little fuss or objection. But Hillary Clinton is the opposite of unimportant. She’s the multi-millionaire former First Lady, Senator from New York, and Secretary of State, supported by virtually the entire political, financial and media establishment to be the next President, arguably the only person standing between Donald Trump and the White House.

...

The fact that Clinton is who she is: that is undoubtedly what caused the FBI to accord her the massive benefit of the doubt when assessing her motives. Her identity, rather than her conduct, was clearly a major factor in his finding nothing that was – in the words of Comey – “clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice.”


Haven't you heard? She's gonna be indicted any day now for all her misdeeds. I invite you to join in on the indictments by supporting them with your donations which will put them over the top and guarantees them of success!
 
Fuck! He was every bit as guilty as she. I saw the stupid video he and she blamed for the incident. Sickening!

Well then, indictments will surely follow. Your donations ought to put them over the top and guarantee convictions. This will all happen any day now.
 
That smells like a @SlyPokerDog edit. I probably named the real ass and Sly didn't like it.

If you look at that poster, and I know it's difficult, you'll see that it was me that posted that remark. I know Sly and have known him for a long time now and there is no finer friend.
 
Psst... I replace the name of the person he was insulting with my name. Marzy wasn't talking about me.

You have that power? My God, you are a god. Please have mercy on me, your majesty.
 
Exactly....that's what we call it in the Navy (no offense, I wasn't sure if you were or not). NJP "Non-Judicial Punishment" is what we term it, but my retired AF dad still calls them Article 15s

That's what we called them in the Army.
 
If Hillary had really wanted those guys dead she would have killed them herself.
 
If Hillary had really wanted those guys dead she would have killed them herself.
I thought you knew...she contracts out her light work to the Russians, the really light work to "DC stickup hoodlums" and doesn't even worry about people overseas. You can credibly have just about anyone killed and blame it on anyone. In this case, a native and unplanned reaction to a YouTube video.
 
a) Not EUCOM.
b) Not by me. And I know a bit about it.
c) Even if a) and b) weren't true, they knew it wasn't a goddamn Terry Jones YouTube video.

So no, Benghazi hasn't "been cleared" by everybody that's anybody. Sure, maybe no one's going to jail. But don't for a second think that the SOF community doesn't know that their guys were left to die due to political reasons.

I guess you haven't heard Michael Morell's (acting director of the CIA) interview on the Charley Rose show. He explained things in great depth -

https://charlierose.com/videos/17056
 
I haven't. But if he says anything about "assets not being close enough for recovery", well, that's enough for me.
 
6:02 He believes there was "little to no preplanning (for the attacks)", but most of the US forces all over the world were on a higher alert posture b/c of credible threats about 9/11 anniversary copycat attacks.

There's a lot more to it, but to your point about "senior people said it was ok" (paraphrased), I give you the Benghazi report itself:
Speaking to CNN, Rice made reference to the number of attackers at the compound, while there is no reference to the number of protesters included in her talking points. "I don't recall exactly how I acquired that information," Rice testified.
“I think Rice was off the reservation on this one," the State Department's senior Libya desk officer in the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs wrote in an email, according to the report.
The deputy director in the office of press and public diplomacy in the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs responded, “Off the reservation on five networks!”
The report goes on to note that even as mid- and lower-level State employees speaking to the embassy in Tripoli said Rice went too far with her statements, senior officials at the State Department and the White House were all in for defending what Rice had said.
Then-deputy national security adviser Denis McDonough "apparently told the SVTS [Secure Video Teleconference] group today that everyone was required to 'shut their pieholes' about the Benghazi attack in light of the FBI investigation, due to start tomorrow," the deputy director in the Office of Maghreb Affairs wrote in an email.

You have senior (politically-appointed, for what it's worth) officials, saying everything is ok and that Rice was right, when the professionals actually doing the analysis and writing the reports were told to shut up. :dunno:
 
I haven't. But if he says anything about "assets not being close enough for recovery", well, that's enough for me.

That's been said more than once and not by just one person. I believe that was also said by the commanding general of NATO.
 
That's been said more than once and not by just one person. I believe that was also said by the commanding general of NATO.
Going back to the "mid-and-low level people know things that senior people aren't being truthful in public about." I'm one of those when it comes to personnel recovery efforts in North Africa. But that's as far as I can go. Believe it, or not.
 
6:02 He believes there was "little to no preplanning (for the attacks)", but most of the US forces all over the world were on a higher alert posture b/c of credible threats about 9/11 anniversary copycat attacks.

There's a lot more to it, but to your point about "senior people said it was ok" (paraphrased), I give you the Benghazi report itself:


You have senior (politically-appointed, for what it's worth) officials, saying everything is ok and that Rice was right, when the professionals actually doing the analysis and writing the reports were told to shut up. :dunno:

They were in a facility that was particularly difficult to defend and the ambassador was warned of this.

For God's sake, the ambassador was a personal friend of Hillary. Why on Earth would she not want to save his life?

Did you not hear her say that the first she was told of what was going on was shortly before the ambassador was murdered and there was nothing she could do.

Try listening to Michael Morrell's explanation of what happened.
 
Going back to the "mid-and-low level people know things that senior people aren't being truthful in public about." I'm one of those when it comes to personnel recovery efforts in North Africa. But that's as far as I can go. Believe it, or not.

Then why tell us anything if there's no way to back it up?

I've had more than a belly full of far Right fake news to even consider overriding what I hear from senior senior personnel.
 
They were in a facility that was particularly difficult to defend and the ambassador was warned of this.

For God's sake, the ambassador was a personal friend of Hillary. Why on Earth would she not want to save his life?

Did you not hear her say that the first she was told of what was going on was shortly before the ambassador was murdered and there was nothing she could do.

Try listening to Michael Morrell's explanation of what happened.
Whoa...couple different issues.

First, I don't know where in the Command Authority the "stop" order came. But there was a "stop" order. It wasn't a "lack of a 'go' order". EUCOM and AFRICOM have procedures in place for stuff like that that doesn't need national command authority for. If you say Hillary didn't know anything was going on until it was over, I'm probably ok with that. Dubious, but I'll give benefit of the doubt. I wasn't with her.
My beefs with Hillary about Benghazi are that I feel she was a big player in the cover-up/obfuscation/disinformation effort. They knew what it was, and they didn't want to have "American boots on the ground in Libya", even when things went bad. She backed the administration (probably in her personal best interest), even though friends of hers were killed. She went along with the absurd lies coming out from "senior" officials, including Susan Rice, and didn't say "Actually, that's not true. It was a strategic decision made by the President/whoever to not escalate the war in North Africa, and if that means that we had some guys killed, that sucks" rather than "stupid YouTube videos killed our brave State Dept personnel!" Then we she was caught in some of the lies, she kept with them, even going so far as to give the brilliant "why does it even matter?" response. I'll tell you why it does to me (and you probably understand this, if you were Army in wartime):

One of the basic fundamental principles by which our all-volunteer military fights is the concept that we don't leave people behind. We have teams in place just in case an airplane gets shot down, or a helo crashes, or a boat sinks. We do other stuff to know where our people are when they're in trouble, so that we can go get them. In the Code of Conduct we memorize that we "will keep faith with our fellow prisoners" if taken POW knowing that our government is going to come for us somehow. That's what helps guys go do really hard stuff behind lines full of, if not "bad guys", "not good guys". And the National Command Authority either didn't have the information (dubious) or deliberately sacrificed those people on the ground. Because assets for extraction were available. And quickly.
 
Then why tell us anything if there's no way to back it up?

I've had more than a belly full of far Right fake news to even consider overriding what I hear from senior senior personnel.
Because most people would want to at least listen to people who've been there, rather than parrot a talking point. Whether or not you believe me, I don't much care. But you now have a piece of information from a first-hand account, so you can't claim ignorance of the facts anymore. Now it's based on your judgement and whether your biases overcome it.
 
We do other stuff to know where our people are when they're in trouble, so that we can go get them. In the Code of Conduct
Ross Perot hired his own team to get his people out of Iran when Khoemeini took over....it doesn't always happen that way...Carter left them out to dry
 
Ross Perot hired his own team to get his people out of Iran when Khoemeni took over....it doesn't always happen that way...Carter left them out to dry
Special case that they were contractors. And Bull Simons was a badass who absolutely believed that you don't leave people behind, even at the risk of his own behind (he'd been retired for a few years at the point he helped Perot).

Even in the case of LBJ/Nixon and the Hanoi Hilton, we kept trying to devise ways to get people out of there. Son Tay (also, coincidentally, a Simons operation) was an attempt to get POWs home after a couple of years in captivity. At extreme risk to the forces going in for them. Hell, Bowe Bergdahl is responsible for a classified number of woundings of special personnel that went after him, thinking that he'd been kidnapped. When I was running around Helmand Province basically alone and unafraid, I knew that I had ways to phone home if needed. I had frequencies to helos that would no-questions-asked come get me if I got wounded. And it gave me the freedom to do some stuff that I look back on now like "WTF was I thinking? Oh yeah, we needed that info."
 
This is exactly correct. This would have been a relatively easy election for the Republicans to win, had you nominated someone who was minimally plausible for the job.

Instead it's going to be an electoral landslide the other direction.

Much appreciated!

barfo

Such insight. :cheers:
 
All 3 Clintons are charity fraudsters who are going to jail. :cheers:
 
Fuck! He was every bit as guilty as she. I saw the stupid video he and she blamed for the incident. Sickening!

She explained this, Marzy, if you'd bothered to listen.
 

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