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On phone, so cant post link, but liberals be damned. Someone needs to drop a bomb on that place and make a divot Happy Gilmore would be proud of. Sorry for the innocent, but fuck that whole area.
 
Kayla Mueller, the U.S. aid worker killed this year while being held hostage by Islamic State militants, was raped repeatedly by the group's leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, while in captivity in Syria, U.S. officials said on Friday.

Her parents, Carl and Marsha Mueller, were told by U.S. government officials that their daughter had been raped by al-Baghdadi and tortured during her captivity, family spokeswoman Emily Lenzner told Reuters by telephone. Mueller was 26 at the time of her death and would have turned 27 on Friday.

"We can confirm that the Mueller family learned in June of Kayla's treatment from the FBI," Lenzner said.

ABC News first reported al-Baghdadi's sexual abuse of Mueller, and U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed the report. ABC News quoted Mueller's parents as saying they were told by the U.S. government their daughter "was the property of al-Baghdadi."

Islamic State said in February that Mueller, of Prescott, Arizona, was killed when Jordanian fighter jets bombed a building where she was being held outside Raqqa, a stronghold in Syria of the Islamist militant group. Jordanian and U.S. officials have expressed doubt about Islamic State's account of her death following 18 months as a hostage.

Mueller was seized in August 2013 while leaving a hospital in Aleppo in northern Syria.

Al-Baghdadi personally brought Mueller to be imprisoned inside the home in Syria of Abu Sayyaf, a Tunisian Islamic State figure killed in a U.S. raid in May, U.S. counter-terrorism officials told ABC News.

The information about al-Baghdadi's actions came from many sources including U.S. interviews with at least two teenage Yezidi girls held as sex slaves in Sayyaf's compound and the interrogation of Sayyaf's wife, Umm Sayyaf, who was captured by U.S. forces in the raid in which her husband was killed, the officials told ABC News.

Mueller went to Turkey in December 2012 to work for a Turkish organization providing humanitarian aid to Syrian refugees along the Syrian border.

Islamic State has beheaded numerous hostages, including three Americans. Its forces control wide swathes of territory in Iraq and Syria.

Lenzner said Mueller's parents were told at a meeting in Washington of Mueller's abuse by al-Baghdadi and her torture while held captive. Lenzner was not clear about whether al-Baghdadi was responsible for torturing Mueller.

Mueller's family declined to comment directly on Friday.

"The family is so exhausted at this point, they need some time," Lenzner said.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/15/us-usa-hostage-mueller-idUSKCN0QJ2AV20150815
 
Mueller started working in southern Turkey in December 2012, where she was assisting Syrian refugees. On August 3, 2013, she drove to the northern Syrian city of Aleppo with a coworker/friend who was traveling to the Spanish Médecins Sans Frontières hospital in Aleppo to work for a day.[7] She worked with international aid agency Support to Life.[8][9] On her departure from Aleppo to return to Turkey, militants abducted her.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kayla_Mueller
 
I feel bad for what happened to her and what her family is going through but she went to Syria on her own. These American aide workers, journalists and missionaries who keep going into dangerous parts of the world and expecting US Special Forces to come to their rescue are fools.

Don't go to Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan or other shit holes in the middle of war.
 
Thousands of non-Islam female hostages, even preteen girls, have been, and many are still being raped by ISIS. The New York Times article linked below documents the sad sick story.

QADIYA, Iraq — In the moments before he raped the 12-year-old girl, the Islamic State fighter took the time to explain that what he was about to do was not a sin. Because the preteen girl practiced a religion other than Islam, the Quran not only gave him the right to rape her — it condoned and encouraged it, he insisted.

“He told me that according to Islam he is allowed to rape an unbeliever. He said that by raping me, he is drawing closer to God,”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/14/world/middleeast/isis-enshrines-a-theology-of-rape.html?_r=0
 
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I'm not a fan of ISIS. They can all die horrible painful deaths as far as I'm concerned, hopefully in whatever way is most humiliating to them.

That said... I'm not sure why we should take this report at face value. Especially those of you who claim government is always lying to you.

barfo
 
I'm not a fan of ISIS. They can all die horrible painful deaths as far as I'm concerned, hopefully in whatever way is most humiliating to them.

That said... I'm not sure why we should take this report at face value. Especially those of you who claim government is always lying to you.

barfo

Young, pretty, American female hostage... she got raped.

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Were some people under the impression that it was unlikely that they would rape her?
 
Young, pretty, American female hostage... she got raped.

Very likely. But was it al-Baghdadi? Repeatedly? With the candlestick in the conservatory?

barfo
 
I'm not a fan of ISIS. They can all die horrible painful deaths as far as I'm concerned, hopefully in whatever way is most humiliating to them.

That said... I'm not sure why we should take this report at face value. Especially those of you who claim government is always lying to you.

barfo

You're coming around.

Good for you!
 
Actually the US is already bombing ISIS targets. Mediocre Man, any suggestions on where else? Because they are not a discrete country with clear borders.

OK - some others made the points I would have. Like the NY Times article. And the woman sexually assaulted by two cops, in the USA. Does that outrage you, Mediocre Man?

With all due respect, I am not comparing Mediocre Man to Dylann Storm Roof for a minute. But I think of Roof saying "you are raping our women" before killing 9 people in a church, many of them, of course, women. I have to ask - Mediocre Man, would you have been so outraged had she not been "our women"? White, Christian, pretty, middle class, American? Were you equally outraged by the rapes of Yazidi girls and women in the NY Times article? (Had I not already been an atheist, the man praying before and after raping a child would have been enough to convince me there is no god.) Were you equally outraged by the abductions and rapes of the Nigerian girls? Of Muslim women and girls (most of the people killed by ISIS are actually Muslims, just the "wrong" kind)?

In Paraguay an 11 year old was raped and impregnated by her stepfather. When her mother tried to procure an abortion, she was arrested. The child was separated from the only person who cared about her, left to cope with rape and pregnancy alone. Are you outraged?

Were you outraged when a high school girl in Steubenville, Ohio, was carried unconscious from party to party to be raped and urinated on?

Maybe you were. I hope so. I hope you are not just outraged when it is "our women".

Had Kayla Mueller been fortunate enough to escape or be rescued, and discovered she was pregnant, does it outrage you that 100% of the Republican Presidential field would have told her tough shit, you have to carry the rapist's filth to term no mater what because you are just a suitcase for a fertilized egg?

SlyPokerDog, she was a relief worker. These are the people who go where the need is greatest, which is not in white middle class American cities. Saying she should not have been there, whether you mean it this way or not, is just victim blaming. There is no time, no place, no location, no circumstance that makes rape OK. And it is never the fault of the victim. Never.
 
SlyPokerDog, she was a relief worker. These are the people who go where the need is greatest, which is not in white middle class American cities. Saying she should not have been there, whether you mean it this way or not, is just victim blaming. There is no time, no place, no location, no circumstance that makes rape OK. And it is never the fault of the victim. Never.

There are plenty of places in the world that could use help that are not war zones. She was providing help in Turkey. That's great! She's a better person than I am. But to go into one of the hot spots of the world like she did was a huge mistake on her part. Being raped and killed was a terrible price to pay for that mistake.

I am not saying that rape is OK. I would never say that.

And yes, sometimes the victim has to take some responsibility. Not for the rape but for her putting herself in a place to be captured.
 
Sly, would you say the same about:

Doctors without Borders?
US Servicewomen?

Do you blame Jesus for being crucified? Surely he could have made better choices, preached in safer places.

What about those who have no choice? Do they deserve any help? Ms. Mueller was trying to provide it.

The rapist and those who enable are the ones responsible.
 
Sly, would you say the same about:

Doctors without Borders?
US Servicewomen?

Do you blame Jesus for being crucified? Surely he could have made better choices, preached in safer places.

What about those who have no choice? Do they deserve any help? Ms. Mueller was trying to provide it.

The rapist and those who enable are the ones responsible.

Doctors without Borders - Yes, if you are American you should not be in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.

US Servicewomin - No, they would be under orders to be there.

Ms Mueller had a choice. She choose to be in Syria.

I agree that the rapists are responsible and are guilty.

Again, US citizens should not be in those areas. Aide workers, missionaries and reporters need to stay out of those areas of the world.
 
Actually the US is already bombing ISIS targets. Mediocre Man, any suggestions on where else? Because they are not a discrete country with clear borders.

OK - some others made the points I would have. Like the NY Times article. And the woman sexually assaulted by two cops, in the USA. Does that outrage you, Mediocre Man?

With all due respect, I am not comparing Mediocre Man to Dylann Storm Roof for a minute. But I think of Roof saying "you are raping our women" before killing 9 people in a church, many of them, of course, women. I have to ask - Mediocre Man, would you have been so outraged had she not been "our women"? White, Christian, pretty, middle class, American? Were you equally outraged by the rapes of Yazidi girls and women in the NY Times article? (Had I not already been an atheist, the man praying before and after raping a child would have been enough to convince me there is no god.) Were you equally outraged by the abductions and rapes of the Nigerian girls? Of Muslim women and girls (most of the people killed by ISIS are actually Muslims, just the "wrong" kind)?

In Paraguay an 11 year old was raped and impregnated by her stepfather. When her mother tried to procure an abortion, she was arrested. The child was separated from the only person who cared about her, left to cope with rape and pregnancy alone. Are you outraged?

Were you outraged when a high school girl in Steubenville, Ohio, was carried unconscious from party to party to be raped and urinated on?

Maybe you were. I hope so. I hope you are not just outraged when it is "our women".

Had Kayla Mueller been fortunate enough to escape or be rescued, and discovered she was pregnant, does it outrage you that 100% of the Republican Presidential field would have told her tough shit, you have to carry the rapist's filth to term no mater what because you are just a suitcase for a fertilized egg?

SlyPokerDog, she was a relief worker. These are the people who go where the need is greatest, which is not in white middle class American cities. Saying she should not have been there, whether you mean it this way or not, is just victim blaming. There is no time, no place, no location, no circumstance that makes rape OK. And it is never the fault of the victim. Never.

You're right. If I'm not bringing attention to every rape, I must think some are ok.

You got me.
 
Sorta like taking the job as English Professor at the American University in Beiruit at a time when hundreds of westerners were being taken hostage, tortured, and killed.

Smart people don't take those jobs.
 
You know, MM, when you put my post in quotes it comes up "crandc says". crandc did not say what you said I said.

I asked a question - are you equally outraged when it is a different kind of victim, or rapist? I did not ask you to start a thread about every rape; your fingers would fall off, I'm sorry to say.

Men can talk about rape and it's a serious discussion. Or maybe a joke. But a woman, apparently, cannot enter the conversation.

SlyPokerDog, we just have to disagree.
 
You're right. If I'm not bringing attention to every rape, I must think some are ok.

You got me.

You know, MM, when you put my post in quotes it comes up "crandc says". crandc did not say what you said I said.

I asked a question - are you equally outraged when it is a different kind of victim, or rapist? I did not ask you to start a thread about every rape; your fingers would fall off, I'm sorry to say.

Men can talk about rape and it's a serious discussion. Or maybe a joke. But a woman, apparently, cannot enter the conversation.

SlyPokerDog, we just have to disagree.
OK, did he edit it? I'm having a hard time finding anything you didn't say. Are you going to be the first person I've seen dispute the website software and quote feature?

The questions about the rapes here and Paraguay and some eleven year old girl are idiotic. I was more outraged by all of them. Making an 11 year old have a rapist's baby is a crime against humanity IMO.

I'm just having a hard time figuring out why you choose the angles you do in these discussions. I don't doubt for a minute that your disdain for people you don't agree with here contributes mightily. Who said you can't discuss rape? Is that like the idea that men can't have opinions on abortion? We sure as fuck can, as well as rape. Even though we do most of the raping.

On her being there...

If I run into a chemical warehouse that is burning to save a guard dog trapped inside, I should be expecting what might happen. Good intentions don't change the choices we make.
 

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