Ferry to meet with Blazers about GM job Wednesday

[maxiep]

Am I alone in thinking that if we would have had good health last season that we could have competed for a championship?

 

[hasoos]

Am I alone in thinking that if we would have had good health last season that we could have competed for a championship?

No you are not. But at the same time, this team has a lot of holes. Competed for a championship? Sure. Had a real chance to win it? Not really.

 

[maxiep]

No you are not. But at the same time, this team has a lot of holes. Competed for a championship? Sure. Had a real chance to win it? Not really.

I think we stood a decent chance of beating both the L*kers and the Celtics, as long as we weren't subjected to too much eight on five.

 

[ABM]

The Ferry moves........

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2010/06/canzano_blog_danny_ferry_arriv.html

June 28, 2005: Traded G/F Jiri Welsch to Milwaukee for a second-round pick in 2006.
June 28, 2005: Traded a second-round pick in 2006 to Orlando for C Martynas Andriuskevicius
August 2, 2005: Signed free agents G Larry Hughes (five years) and F Donyell Marshall (four years); re-signed C Zydrunas Ilgauskas (four years with a fifth year player option). This after attempts to acquire Ray Allen, Michael Redd and a sign-and-trade for Joe Johnson, but could not get it done.
September 8, 2005: Signed free agent G Damon Jones (four years)
September 17, 2005: Signed free agent F Alan Henderson (one year)
October 27, 2005: Waived G Kelenna Azuibuike
October 31, 2005: Exercised 2006-07 option on G/F Sasha Pavlovic
February 24, 2006: Acquired F Lee Nailon and a 2006 second-round pick from Philadelphia for a conditional 2006 second-round pick; acquired G Ronald Murray from the Seattle SuperSonics for G Mike Wilks and cash considerations; : signed G/F Stephen Graham; waived F Lee Nailon
June 27, 2006: Drafted G Shannon Brown (25th overall pick), G Daniel Gibson (42nd), and F Ejike Ugboaja (55th)
July 13, 2006: Re-signed F LeBron James to a contract extension (three years with a fourth year player option).
August 19, 2006: Signed C/F Scot Pollard (one year)
September 5, 2006: Signed G David Wesley (one year)
September 11, 2006: Re-signed F Drew Gooden to a contract extension (three years)
October 14, 2006: Traded G/F Luke Jackson and cash to Boston for C Dwayne Jones
June 30, 2007: Extended qualifying offers to C Anderson Varejao and G/F Sasha Pavlovic, making both of them restricted free agents
September 29, 2007: Signed G Devin Brown
September 29, 2007: Traded G David Wesley to New Orleans for F/C Cedric Simmons
November 1, 2007: Exercised the third-year contract option on F/C Cedric Simmons; declined the third-year contract option on G Shannon Brown
November 2, 2007: Signed G/F Sasha Pavlovic (three years)
December 5, 2007: Matched Charlotte's offer sheet for C Anderson Varejao (two years with a player option for a third year)
February 21, 2008: Traded G Larry Hughes, F Drew Gooden, G Shannon Brown, and F/C Cedric Simmons to Chicago, and F Ira Newble and F Donyell Marshall to Seattle, receiving F/C Ben Wallace, F Joe Smith, G Wally Szczerbiak, G Delonte West, and Chicago's second-round pick in the 2009 draft
February 22, 2008: Signed F Kaniel Dickens and G Billy Thomas to ten-day contracts
June 27, 2008: Drafted F J.J. Hickson (19th overall); traded the lower of the Cavs' two second-round draft picks in 2009 to Miami for the rights to F Darnell Jackson; traded cash considerations to Seattle for the rights to F/C Sasha Kaun
July 16, 2008: Re-signed G Daniel Gibson to a contract extension (five years)
August 5, 2008: Signed G/F Tarence Kinsey (one year)
August 14, 2008: Traded F Joe Smith to Oklahoma City and G Damon Jones to Milwaukee, receiving G Mo Williams
September 5, 2008: Signed C Lorenzen Wright (one year)
September 12, 2008: Re-signed G Delonte West (three years)
October 9, 2008: Released center Lance Allred and guard Michael Dickerson.
October 21, 2008: Waived guard Vernon Hamilton.
October 23, 2008: Waived forward Ronald Dupree.
January 7, 2009: Waived forward Jawad Williams.
January 12, 2009: Signed forward Jawad Williams to a 10-day contract.
January 23, 2009: Signed forward Jawad Williams to a second 10-day contract.
February 3, 2009: Signed guard Trey Johnson to a 10-day contract.
February 11, 2009: Recalled forward Darnell Jackson from Erie of the D-League.
February 20, 2009: Recalled guard Trey Johnson from Bakersfield of the D-League.
March 5, 2009: Signed forward Joe Smith.
April 9, 2009: Signed forward Jawad Williams.
June 26, 2009: Acquired center Shaquille O'Neal from the Phoenix Suns for forward/center Ben Wallace, a second-round selection in the 2010 NBA draft and cash considerations.
June 26, 2009: Acquired the draft rights to forward Emir Preldzic from the Phoenix Suns for cash considerations.
July 10, 2009: Agreed to terms with forward/center Anderson Varejao to a multi-year contract.
July 14, 2009: Signed guard/forward Anthony Parker.
July 25, 2009: Agreed to terms with forward Jamario Moon.
July 29, 2009: ived guard Tarence Kinsey.
August 12, 2009: Signed forward Leon Powe.
August 26, 2009: Signed guard/forward Danny Green.
October 23, 2009: Waived G Andre Barrett, G Russell Robinson and C Darryl Watkins.
October 27, 2009: Exercised the 2010-11 contract option on F J.J. Hickson.
January 6, 2010: Waived G Coby Karl.
January 23, 2010: Signed G Cedric Jackson to a 10-day contract.
February 3, 2010: Signed G Cedric Jackson to a second 10-day contract.
March 23, 2010: Signed C Zydrunas Ilgauskas for the remainder of the season. Waived F Darnell Jackson.
May 18, 2010: Exercised the club option on F Leon Powe.
June 4, 2010: Resigned as GM

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Well Ferry signed Lebron once . . . maybe he can sign him again.

 

[BGrantFan]

Well Ferry signed Lebron once . . . maybe he can sign him again.

Good point. He couldn't even convince LeBron to resign for max years. Another mark against Ferry.

 

[huevonkiller]

The problem with adding Jamison for free is that he was also their worst starter against Boston.

It was a nice move but then negated by his poor performance defensively, and 11 points 40% shooting.

Player Team Opp mp mpg pts40 tsa40 3pa40 fta40 ast40 orb40 drb40 tov40 stl40 blk40 SPM
Williams CLE BOS 225 37.4 14.2 13.8 3.4 4.6 5.9 0.4 3.4 2.1 0.7 0.0 -2.63
Jamison CLE BOS 200 33.2 14.2 14.7 3.2 4.2 1.2 1.8 7.0 1.8 0.8 1.0 -3.30
Parker CLE BOS 199 33.1 10.1 7.4 4.2 1.2 1.4 0.2 2.8 1.4 1.4 0.4 -1.01
O'Neal CLE BOS 140 23.4 23.1 20.4 0.0 10.0 1.7 3.4 5.1 2.9 0.3 1.7 -1.98
West CLE BOS 131 21.9 10.4 10.6 1.8 4.0 3.4 0.9 2.1 4.3 1.2 0.6 -8.23
Varejao CLE BOS 129 21.5 11.5 9.8 0.3 5.3 1.2 3.4 7.5 1.9 1.9 1.2 1.42
Hickson CLE BOS 57 9.5 20.4 15.7 0.0 8.5 0.7 0.0 4.9 3.5 0.0 0.0 -8.51
Moon CLE BOS 43 7.1 10.3 8.8 3.8 2.8 2.8 0.9 4.7 0.0 1.9 0.0 1.38
Ilgauskas CLE BOS 34 11.5 8.1 9.8 0.0 1.2 1.2 1.2 2.3 1.2 0.0 5.8 -6.56
Gibson CLE BOS 19 6.2 10.7 12.6 8.6 4.3 2.1 0.0 2.1 2.1 0.0 0.0 -9.95
Powe CLE BOS 9 2.9 23.0 26.5 0.0 18.4 0.0 4.6 4.6 4.6 0.0 0.0 -9.33
Williams CLE BOS 1 1.2 0.0 32.4 32.4 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -20.67

In comparison, Derek Fisher was at -2.31 against the Celtics. That's how poor Antawn was.

So in such an important series, at least mid-way through you would hope adjustments be made by the staff. And Ferry supported Brown.

At best he's a respectable GM, Antawn is 34 and is not a great contract either.

 

[OddEnormous]

Ferry, on the other hand, was in a win now mode from his owner, and tried to put experienced pieces around James to win. They came close, but also failed.

Sounds amazing. Can't wait.

 

[OddEnormous]

Good point. He couldn't even convince LeBron to resign for max years. Another mark against Ferry.

"LeBron. Will you sign up a max deal here in Cleveland?"

"No"

"But we can pay you more than anyone else."

"No"

"But it's your home town team. No moving, you get to name the coach, your family and friends will all be taken care of forever."

"No."

"Ok, no big deal. I'm off to Portland to land big time free agents and make big time deals happen.

Bye guys!"

 

[LittleAlex]

Well Varejao makes about 5 million less per year than Aldridge. Given the same minutes, I think a lot of people in this forum woul dsay 7 mil per season is great for a guy that can average 11/10 in 36 minutes.

Larry Hughes got hurt, but before he did, he averaged 16+ ppg. Even afterwards he finished in Cleveland with over a 15 ppg avg. Then he traded him. It woul dbe like blaming KP for picking Oden. No one knew he was going to get hurt?

So again, find something that Ferry did that deserves all this hate. Every GM has made mistakes, and Ferry is no different. But man, there are some people that think he has been horrible for no reason

Did you really just say Larry Hughes was good?

Larry Hughes, at his very best, was a volume chucker with a decent handle and good on the ball defense.
By the time the Cavs signed him, he wasn't even that good.

There is a reason the website www.pleaselarryhughesstoptakingsomanybadshots.com existed and it's not because he was awesome.

Side Show Vaj is my least favorite NBA player so anyone who gave him money to keep him in the league is automattically tarnished in my eys.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Good point. He couldn't even convince LeBron to resign for max years. Another mark against Ferry.

So does Riley gets poor marks also?

 

[BrianFromWA]

The problem with adding Jamison for free is that he was also their worst starter against Boston.

It was a nice move but then negated by his poor performance defensively, and 11 points 40% shooting.

In comparison, Derek Fisher was at -2.31 against the Celtics. That's how poor Antawn was.

So in such an important series, at least mid-way through you would hope adjustments be made by the staff. And Ferry supported Brown.

At best he's a respectable GM, Antawn is 34 and is not a great contract either.

Help me out a bit with the SPM that you're highlighting...there were only 5 better (and I didn't see LeBron on that list), and you're bringing up "adjustments" when the people who could have replaced his "horrible" -3.30 were Ilgauskas' -6.56, Powe's -9.33, Hickson's -8.51? I guess Brown could've gone more Varejao/Shaq and leave Jamison on the bench, but then I would guess that you'd see different stats across the board. How does what Fisher did as a PG compare to what Jamison did as a PF?

So, just so I have the record straight...you'd have rather Ferry NOT traded the 30th pick (the ONLY thing he gave up for a guy who was the All-Star PF 12 months before), and had a playoff big man rotation of Shaq/Varejao/Hickson/Ilgauskas? THAT's the team that's going to the Finals, in your opinion?

 

[OddEnormous]

So does Riley gets poor marks also?

If he can't keep Wade in Miami then yes.

BTW he's also won a championship.

 

[Mediocre Man]

If he can't keep Wade in Miami then yes.

BTW he's also won a championship.

So has the was about to be fired Danny Ainge

 

[huevonkiller]

Help me out a bit with the SPM that you're highlighting...there were only 5 better (and I didn't see LeBron on that list), and you're bringing up "adjustments" when the people who could have replaced his "horrible" -3.30 were Ilgauskas' -6.56, Powe's -9.33, Hickson's -8.51? I guess Brown could've gone more Varejao/Shaq and leave Jamison on the bench, but then I would guess that you'd see different stats across the board. How does what Fisher did as a PG compare to what Jamison did as a PF?

Varejao was Cleveland's second best player all year. By different stats, you should mean much better stats in favor of Cleveland. Jamison doesn't have to be benched just used in the right order.

SPM is regressed off APM by applying boxscore numbers. So Statistical Plus Minus is a more sophisticated version of "Magical" Adjusted plus minus.

The only two postive impact players against Boston. (Moon played 7 minutes a game):

Player Team Opp mp mpg pts40 tsa40 3pa40 fta40 ast40 orb40 drb40 tov40 stl40 blk40 SPM
James CLE BOS 255 42.5 25.3 22.7 4.1 11.0 6.8 1.4 7.4 4.2 2.0 1.3 7.47
Varejao CLE BOS 129 21.5 11.5 9.8 0.3 5.3 1.2 3.4 7.5 1.9 1.9 1.2 1.42

So, just so I have the record straight...you'd have rather Ferry NOT traded the 30th pick (the ONLY thing he gave up for a guy who was the All-Star PF 12 months before), and had a playoff big man rotation of Shaq/Varejao/Hickson/Ilgauskas? THAT's the team that's going to the Finals, in your opinion?

If that player played at Derek Fisher level then he was a detriment.

I'm fine with Jamison (in the extreme short term), but the GM also hired Mike Brown. If I was the GM I would have done everything possible to get a coach that understands simple lineup basics.

 

[Mediocre Man]

If I was the GM I would have done everything possible to get a coach that understands simple lineup basics.

So you weren't a KP fan either? Afterall, he kept Nate.

 

[OddEnormous]

So has the was about to be fired Danny Ainge

Are there times when you catch yourself and realize you don't even know what your point is anymore?

It must happen every once in a while. It has to.

I mean what is your point here? what are you talking about?

Should Nobody ever be fired again because Danny Ainge maybe almost was but wasn't and then he won a championship?

If so, then to whom does this pertain to? Pritchard? Riley? Ferry?

Who?

What is your point?

 

[huevonkiller]

So you weren't a KP fan either? Afterall, he kept Nate.

Well I'd have to look at more than that. GM's like KP and Ferry can have flaws, what matters is the aggregate.

So for example Mitch Kupchak respects Derek Fisher way too much, but being able to pull off the Gasol trade was impressive though. I'm also not a fan of Phil's lineups all the time, but I'd have more to consider than just that.

 

[maxiep]

So you weren't a KP fan either? Afterall, he kept Nate.

LOL, like Nate was his decision.

 

[Mediocre Man]

LOL, like Nate was his decision.

hahaha, touche'

 

[Trader Ed]

Is that when Magic got...

never mind

 

[Minstrel]

KP's job was to rebuild this franchise, and make it into a championship contender. Well, if you believe that he was the man in charge of the 2006 draft then he certainly did a good job of rebuilding, but for many reasons, Portland is not a championship contender.

I think that's a very unfair/unreasonable outlook. He inherited one of the least talented teams in the NBA and took 3 years to make it a 50 win team. After doing so, he had one, injury-riddled season which proves he can't take it to the next level? Really, one season (that was quite unusual in terms of injuries) without championship contention means he failed at the next stage?

Even New York fans, generally considered the pinnacle of panicky, impatient fans, wouldn't consider one injury-plagued season without title contention (after seeing their GM build the team from nothing to a 50 win team) a failure that makes it time to look for someone else.

 

[Minstrel]

Am I alone in thinking that if we would have had good health last season that we could have competed for a championship?

I think without injuries, Portland would have been a dark horse title contender. They'd have needed a little luck (i.e. peaking at just the right time), but they could have defeated any other team in a series. They wouldn't have been favourites, but they had the talent when healthy to compete with anyone else.