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illmatic99 said:
I wish the time difference wasn't so bad but I'm enjoying this FIBA game a lot. 10 minute quarters, and a lot more physical. The centers aren't neutered with bullshit rules to favor perimeter players either. The NBA is full of athletes, but it's genuinely become soft compared to the international game.
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Kinda makes me wish Marjanovic was on a team that didn't have so many big men so he could've had a chance to play more. Like Hamed Haddadi for Iran, say.
 
Cutting a game to 40 mins effectively reduces the current cumulative season load by about 14 games without taking away any (direct) revenue. Sure ad time will be slightly lower but maybe they can find a workaround to this.

NBA historians and people who care about counting stats will prolly be the only ones against it.
 
USA should have invited Higgins, Clyburn and Kyle Hines for this tournament.
They are more used to this style of play.
 
illmatic99 said:
I wish the time difference wasn't so bad but I'm enjoying this FIBA game a lot. 10 minute quarters, and a lot more physical. The centers aren't neutered with bullshit rules to favor perimeter players either. The NBA is full of athletes, but it's genuinely become soft compared to the international game.
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The best thing is fewer dead time. NBA timeouts are ridiculously long because of ads too.
 
illmatic99 said:
I think the ship has sailed on being able to buy Frank for cheap .
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You're probably right, but the Knicks are the Knicks and Malik Monk is a flashier player. (Plus Ntilikina was a Phil Jackson acquisition.)

(Hornets give up Monk just to dump salary. Hornets have the sorriest set of contracts. The real reason this trade wouldn't happen is nobody's taking on Batum's salary, but he's still just 30 and his playmaking skill is what we wanted from Evan Turner and never really got. And how can you not love this guy? (That's a rhetorical question - I'm well aware how most on this board can not.))
 
Genuinely have no clue as to who's going to win in the semifinals. All four teams have a shot. Spain should probably be fave, but you can't count any of the others out.
 
illmatic99 said:
Cutting a game to 40 mins effectively reduces the current cumulative season load by about 14 games without taking away any (direct) revenue. Sure ad time will be slightly lower but maybe they can find a workaround to this.

NBA historians and people who care about counting stats will prolly be the only ones against it.
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I hate it
 
If you could sign one player not currently in the NBA for the Blazers, whom would it be?
Campazzo's the obvious choice, but he's not necessarily a great fit. Jovic would be good, and I'm also intrigued by Ponitka, as he seems to be a do-everything forward with good athleticism, and he's the best player on perhaps the biggest surprise team in the tournament (and the best without a single NBA player).


I also honestly wouldn't mind getting Claver back...
 
Rastapopoulos said:
If you could sign one player not currently in the NBA for the Blazers, whom would it be?
Campazzo's the obvious choice, but he's not necessarily a great fit. Jovic would be good, and I'm also intrigued by Ponitka, as he seems to be a do-everything forward with good athleticism, and he's the best player on perhaps the biggest surprise team in the tournament (and the best without a single NBA player).


I also honestly wouldn't mind getting Claver back...
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Ponitka though is not a special player for Euroleague level, he is average so those games are not really his "real" value.

As I have stated again i would really like getting Poirier and Micic. They haven't shown their skills as one has Gobert in front of him and the other is at his best when being the primary ball handler which is impossible with Bogdanovic and Jokic. This is why Jovic is a better fit for this Serbia team, just plays his D and has very low usage.

My answer from those in the tournament would be Campazzo or Calathes though. Both really elite Euroleague players.
 
DUB said:
So if the Blazers lose a preseason game, they haven’t lost since the WCF?

A loss in a friendly is still a loss.

It could be argued that the loss isn’t as important, and I’d agree; but it’s still a loss.
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I understand how people could feel the way you do but no preseason games don't count as losing and neither do friendlies. To the US these games aren't taken seriously nor do they matter.

GDiama said:
I think they lost a couple official games some months ago but for some reason people don't count them.
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Those weren't "official" games.
 
hoopsjock said:
I understand how people could feel the way you do but no preseason games don't count as losing and neither do friendlies. To the US these games aren't taken seriously nor do they matter.



Those weren't "official" games.
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Didn't those games decide some spots for the World Cup?
In rest of world we count those games as official although we did not use our A team as well. It is kind of a fact, not choice. European Champions Slovenia got eliminated in those games.
 
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GDiama said:
Ponitka though is not a special player for Euroleague level, he is average so those games are not really his "real" value.

As I have stated again i would really like getting Poirier and Micic. They haven't shown their skills as one has Gobert in front of him and the other is at his best when being the primary ball handler which is impossible with Bogdanovic and Jokic. This is why Jovic is a better fit for this Serbia team, just plays his D and has very low usage.

My answer from those in the tournament would be Campazzo or Calathes though. Both really elite Euroleague players.
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Apparently the Celtics have signed Poirier...
 
GDiama said:
Didn't those games decide some spots for the World Cup?
In rest of world we count those games as official although we did not use our A team as well. It is kind of a fact, not choice. European Champions Slovenia got eliminated in those games.
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No, those games had absolutely no meaning or relevance for qualifying. It's basically the equivalent of going to a gym and scrimmaging for practice.
 
hoopsjock said:
To the US these games aren't taken seriously nor do they matter.
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I understand that point of view. My opinion on friendlies, and preseason games is that it's the process that matters, not the results. A loss where the team is playing the desired way, is better than a win where they're not.

But the game against Australia did occur, and the USA did lose.

Saying the USA has not lost in 58 games is incorrect.

Saying the USA has not lost in 58 tournament games is correct.
 
DUB said:
I understand that point of view. My opinion on friendlies, and preseason games is that it's the process that matters, not the results. A loss where the team is playing the desired way, is better than a win where they're not.

But the game against Australia did occur, and the USA did lose.

Saying the USA has not lost in 58 games is incorrect.

Saying the USA has not lost in 58 tournament games is correct.
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I realize that the Australia win over the USA was a huge moment for your country but it was a practice game that meant nothing.
 
hoopsjock said:
I realize that the Australia win over the USA was a huge moment for your country but it was a practice game that meant nothing.
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I understand that you and many others (even many Aussies) feel that way, but that doesn't change that fact that the loss to Australia did happen.

France broke the USA winning streak of "58 straight games with NBA players among the Olympics, World Cup and FIBA Americas".

Australia broke the USA "78-game win streak with NBA players when including exhibitions".

https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2019/09/11/usa-france-fiba-world-cup-quarterfinals/

I'm beginning to think the whole "streak" thing is bullshit anyway. The USA lost to Mexico on 28 June 2018, Mexico with 0 NBA players, USA with 0 NBA players.

I'm not sure I agree with the importance of the "with NBA players" aspect. Every country is fielding the best team they have available to them at the time. It seems like a stat created to excuse poor performance (by USA standards), or by other nations to pump their own tyres. "Sure Mexico beat the USA, but the US didn't have their NBA players, so our win is better."

Now I don't know how I feel about this. :nerd:
 
DUB said:
I understand that you and many others (even many Aussies) feel that way, but that doesn't change that fact that the loss to Australia did happen.

France broke the USA winning streak of "58 straight games with NBA players among the Olympics, World Cup and FIBA Americas".

Australia broke the USA "78-game win streak with NBA players when including exhibitions".

https://olympics.nbcsports.com/2019/09/11/usa-france-fiba-world-cup-quarterfinals/

I'm beginning to think the whole "streak" thing is bullshit anyway. The USA lost to Mexico on 28 June 2018, Mexico with 0 NBA players, USA with 0 NBA players.

I'm not sure I agree with the importance of the "with NBA players" aspect. Every country is fielding the best team they have available to them at the time. It seems like a stat created to excuse poor performance (by USA standards), or by other nations to pump their own tyres. "Sure Mexico beat the USA, but the US didn't have their NBA players, so our win is better."

Now I don't know how I feel about this. :nerd:
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I'm sorry but the Australia vs USA game wasn't a real game. Just like pre-season games aren't real games. They're practice.
 
hoopsjock said:
I'm sorry but the Australia vs USA game wasn't a real game. Just like pre-season games aren't real games. They're practice.
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It was a real game, and our preseason games are real games.

Their not imaginary, they exist.

true; not merely ostensible, nominal, or apparent:the real reason for an act.
existing or occurring as fact; actual rather than imaginary, ideal, or fictitious:a story taken from real life.
being an actual thing; having objective existence; not imaginary:The events you will see in the film are real and not just made up.
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https://www.dictionary.com/browse/real
 
Apparently this is the first FIBA World Cup/Championships where neither Serbia or the USA has made the semifinals.
 
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