FINDING A PF: Number 1 offseason priority

[glazeduck]

Is a STIFF who is not better than Lauri Markksman.

That's what I see when I watch Leaf too... A combo of David Lee and Channing Frye. Strikes me as a guy who will be good enough to contribute for stints off the bench (ala Lee and Frye) but not an impact starter...

 

[illmatic99]

a Kenyon Martin type? That's called swag, learn the game.

Need some kinda old school Cincinnati/Bob Huggins goon. Either that type or a skilled no-nonsense Saric type Euro.

 

[dviss1]

Is it racist to want a big black, fuck you, I'll take whatever the fuck want on the floor kinda guy?

Asking for a friend

Yes. As is your ideology on WABC.

 

[dviss1]

That's what I see when I watch Leaf too... A combo of David Lee and Channing Frye. Strikes me as a guy who will be good enough to contribute for stints off the bench (ala Lee and Frye) but not an impact starter...

I don't even see that.

 

[H.C.]

Ya gotta find a taker for that AC contract and get rid of Fes. Rookie year Mirotic was sick. Thought he'd blow up, but that environment in Chi looks toxic.

Chicago and stretch 4's scare me. As they seem to play well, then die off and are never the same.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I wonder if we could trade one of our later draft picks, plus Ezeli's expiring contract to NYK for Kyle O'Quinn plus one of their end of the bench contracts. I'm not sure how well O'Quinn would fit starting next to Nurkic, but he'd be a beast backing up both the 4 and 5 spots. With Porzingas and Hernangomez, O'Quinn will never get more than the 15 MPG he's averaging there this year and less going forward. He's a great rim protector and rebounder, a decent passer, not quite 27 and locked up on a cheap contract for another season. He's limited, but efficient offensively. Picture last year's Ed Davis, only with a lot more bulk and an elite shot blocker.

The Knicks move a player that doesn't really figure in their plans and get Ezeli's expiring contract to shave nearly $7 million off their cap.

I know this move also puts us over the luxury tax threshold, but we need to move a big contract (Crabbe) anyway. So, we might as well get something worthwhile out of Festus for the Rest of Us' expiring contract. Now that I think about it, O'Quinn is basically Festus with two good knees.

BNM

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I wonder if we could trade one of our later draft picks, plus Ezeli's expiring contract to NYK for Kyle O'Quinn plus one of their end of the bench contracts. I'm not sure how well O'Quinn would fit starting next to Nurkic, but he'd be a beast backing up both the 4 and 5 spots. With Porzingas and Hernangomez, O'Quinn will never get more than the 15 MPG he's averaging there this year and less going forward. He's a great rim protector and rebounder, a decent passer, not quite 27 and locked up on a cheap contract for another season. He's limited, but efficient offensively. Picture last year's Ed Davis, only with a lot more bulk and an elite shot blocker.

The Knicks move a player that doesn't really figure in their plans and get Ezeli's expiring contract to shave nearly $7 million off their cap.

I know this move also puts us over the luxury tax threshold, but we need to move a big contract (Crabbe) anyway. So, we might as well get something worthwhile out of Festus for the Rest of Us' expiring contract. Now that I think about it, O'Quinn is basically Festus with two good knees.

BNM

Agreed.

Kyle O'Quinn. 27 next month. 6'10", 250, 20 PER this year, still only getting 15mpg.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Agreed.

BLK% = 6.8 would be leading the league if he played enough minutes to quality.

BNM

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I wonder if we could trade one of our later draft picks, plus Ezeli's expiring contract to NYK for Kyle O'Quinn plus one of their end of the bench contracts. I'm not sure how well O'Quinn would fit starting next to Nurkic, but he'd be a beast backing up both the 4 and 5 spots. With Porzingas and Hernangomez, O'Quinn will never get more than the 15 MPG he's averaging there this year and less going forward. He's a great rim protector and rebounder, a decent passer, not quite 27 and locked up on a cheap contract for another season. He's limited, but efficient offensively. Picture last year's Ed Davis, only with a lot more bulk and an elite shot blocker.

The Knicks move a player that doesn't really figure in their plans and get Ezeli's expiring contract to shave nearly $7 million off their cap.

I know this move also puts us over the luxury tax threshold, but we need to move a big contract (Crabbe) anyway. So, we might as well get something worthwhile out of Festus for the Rest of Us' expiring contract. Now that I think about it, O'Quinn is basically Festus with two good knees.

BNM

Problem is, they don't really have a bad contract to ditch outside of Noah, whom I assume we're not touching with a 10-foot pole. Lance Thomas, maybe, but at under 7M/year, he's a pretty affordable backup.

Unless picking up O'Quinn is somehow worth being saddled with Noah, I don't see how it happens.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I hate to say this, but Terrance Jones, whose salary should be very small, is probably the answer.

He Skill/$ should be huge.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yes. As is your ideology on WABC.

Still not wrong

 

[Boob-No-More]

Problem is, they don't really have a bad contract to ditch outside of Noah, whom I assume we're not touching with a 10-foot pole. Lance Thomas, maybe, but at under 7M/year, he's a pretty affordable backup.

Unless picking up O'Quinn is somehow worth being saddled with Noah, I don't see how it happens.

Like I said, offer them one of our late picks, maybe the CLE pick + Ezeli's expiring contract. They need to also kick in one, or more of their end of bench guys to make the salaries match. They have couple small expiring contracts that could be used for this purpose. They get a 1st round pick and can waive Ezeli immediately to save about $5 million in cap space.

We're already over the lux tax threshold, so we need to move someone like Crabbe anyway. This let's us leverage Ezeli's expiring contract, and having 3 first round picks, to address a position of need. Even if he doesn't start for us (although he's way better than anyone else we currently have tarting at the 4), O'Quinn would give us everything 2015-16 Ed Davis gave us + everything 2016-17 Festus Ezeli was supposed to give us in one player making $4 million.

BNM

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Like I said, offer them one of our late picks, maybe the CLE pick + Ezeli's expiring contract. They need to also kick in one, or more of their end of bench guys to make the salaries match. They have couple small expiring contracts that could be used for this purpose. They get a 1st round pick and can waive Ezeli immediately to save about $5 million in cap space.

We're already over the lux tax threshold, so we need to move someone like Crabbe anyway. This let's us leverage Ezeli's expiring contract, and having 3 first round picks, to address a position of need. Even if he doesn't start for us (although he's way better than anyone else we currently have tarting at the 4), O'Quinn would give us everything 2015-16 Ed Davis gave us + everything 2016-17 Festus Ezeli was supposed to give us in one player making $4 million.

BNM

You don't have to convince me that O'Quinn is worth dealing for; I'm just questioning the logistics. Since we're post-deadline, none of their expirings are tradeable anymore, so Kuzminskas is the only other end-of-bench guy on their roster that could theoretically be added to the deal suggested (other than minimum-salary guys Plumlee and N'Dour who don't make enough).

So, the only way to make this work is Ezeli and a first (plus maybe Shabazz) for O'Quinn and Kuzminskas. Don't know if NY goes for that, but I'd be in favor.

 

[Boob-No-More]

You don't have to convince me that O'Quinn is worth dealing for; I'm just questioning the logistics. Since we're post-deadline, none of their expirings are tradeable anymore, so Kuzminskas is the only other end-of-bench guy on their roster that could theoretically be added to the deal suggested (other than minimum-salary guys Plumlee and N'Dour who don't make enough).

So, the only way to make this work is Ezeli and a first (plus maybe Shabazz) for O'Quinn and Kuzminskas. Don't know if NY goes for that, but I'd be in favor.

Maurice Ndour is non-guaranteed for 2017-18 at $905K, That gets us within 500K of an O'Quinn for Ezeli + pick swap. Chasson Randle is on the books for $1.3 million in 2017-18, but I doubt if all of that is guaranteed, since only the first $100K of his 2016-17 salary was guaranteed.

Those two might work, or maybe get a third team involved. Don't we also have a trade exception of something like $407K for the Plumlee trade, or did that expire at the deadline?

BNM

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Maurice Ndour is non-guaranteed for 2017-18 at $905K, That gets us within 500K of an O'Quinn for Ezeli + pick swap. Chasson Randle is on the books for $1.3 million in 2017-18, but I doubt if all of that is guaranteed, since only the first $100K of his 2016-17 salary was guaranteed.

Those two might work, or maybe get a third team involved. Don't we also have a trade exception of something like $407K for the Plumlee trade, or did that expire at the deadline?

BNM

Ezeli's NGC waiver date is 6/30/17, so for that to be of value to NY, the trade would have to occur before that date, so only the 16-17 contract amounts matter. For this league year, NDour is 543K, so not enough to get close enough to Ezeli's salary. And yes, we have a trade exception, but it's only $400K, so there isn't a player out there that would fit inside that slot.

If using minimum salary guys, we could deal Ezeli+pick for OQuinn/NDour/Plumlee. Otherwise, Kuzminskas is really the only option (without using a third team). And of course, that's only if the Knicks value a first round pick more than O'Quinn himself.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Ezeli's NGC waiver date is 6/30/17, so for that to be of value to NY, the trade would have to occur before that date, so only the 16-17 contract amounts matter. For this league year, NDour is 543K, so not enough to get close enough to Ezeli's salary. And yes, we have a trade exception, but it's only $400K, so there isn't a player out there that would fit inside that slot.

If using minimum salary guys, we could deal Ezeli+pick for OQuinn/NDour/Plumlee. Otherwise, Kuzminskas is really the only option (without using a third team). And of course, that's only if the Knicks value a first round pick more than O'Quinn himself.

Why is Ndour's NGC date different than Ezeli's? I just assumed (perhaps incorrectly) his non-guaranteed contract was like Ezeli's only smaller.

BNM

 

[BigGameDamian]

Just go after one of the Morris twins.

 

[Reep]

Just go after one of the Morris twins.

There is a certain logic to this statement, but I would have a very hard time supporting either one as a Blazer. At least that would be one less person to light us up when we play them.

 

[tester551]

Maurice Ndour is non-guaranteed for 2017-18 at $905K, That gets us within 500K of an O'Quinn for Ezeli + pick swap. Chasson Randle is on the books for $1.3 million in 2017-18, but I doubt if all of that is guaranteed, since only the first $100K of his 2016-17 salary was guaranteed.

Those two might work, or maybe get a third team involved. Don't we also have a trade exception of something like $407K for the Plumlee trade, or did that expire at the deadline?

BNM

Noah + Shabazz for KOQ works.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Noah + Shabazz for KOQ works.

Interesting...

NYK will only have one PG under contract at the time of the draft - D-League call up Chasson Randle. Rose is expiring and they waived Brandon Jennings. They will most likely draft a PG based on both need and the fact that this is a PG rich draft. However, they may not want to throw that rookie into the starting role from day 1. In which case, a cheap semi-vet with one year remaining on his cheap rookie scale contract may be of interest to them.

BNM

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Going to the trade route - I'm still in favor of cashing in our picks for this pitbull:

 

[GDiama]

I don't think Randle can fit very well in our system. We need someone that can shoot the ball.

 

[GDiama]

I checked the previous page and I saw the name of KOQ popping up? What does he have to do with our PF of the future? He is not even playing any PF...the furthest from the basket he goes is the ft line. We need spacing, not another type of Ed Davis PF.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don't think Randle can fit very well in our system. We need someone that can shoot the ball.

Not if we care about a championship. Someone who CAN step out to hit an occasional shot is fine, but we need a tough defensive stopper who can bang and rebound

 

[GDiama]

Not if we care about a championship. Someone who CAN step out to hit an occasional shot is fine, but we need a tough defensive stopper who can bang and rebound

Then still Randle is not our man Nowhere near a good defender.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Then still Randle is not our man Nowhere near a good defender.

Agree

 

[Blazer4ever]

One of the better, underappreciated bigs in the League is Kelly Olynyk.
Yeah, I know some here don't think highly of him (or of TRob who's another player I think can fit this role) but his defense is much better than people give him credit for, he's an extremely smart basketball player and I liked him for some time

 

[Blazinaway]

One of the better, underappreciated bigs in the League is Kelly Olynyk.
Yeah, I know some here don't think highly of him (or of TRob who's another player I think can fit this role) but his defense is much better than people give him credit for, he's an extremely smart basketball player and I liked him for some time

he's an RFA I believe which puts him out of reach unless we trade

 

[Boob-No-More]

I checked the previous page and I saw the name of KOQ popping up? What does he have to do with our PF of the future? He is not even playing any PF...the furthest from the basket he goes is the ft line. We need spacing, not another type of Ed Davis PF.

I said he would be great backing up both the 4 and the 5 (which we need), and could be a spot starter at the 4 if we take our PF of the future in the draft. Or do you really think some 19 or 20 years old kid is going to come in and start from day 1?

He's WAY better and bigger than Ed Davis. As I said, he'd be a combination of what Ed Davis was last season and what Festus Ezeli was supposed to be this season. We need more size and we need more toughness. O'Quinn would give us both.

BNM

 

[GDiama]

I said he would be great backing up both the 4 and the 5 (which we need), and could be a spot starter at the 4 if we take our PF of the future in the draft. Or do you really think some 19 or 20 years old kid is going to come in and start from day 1?

He's WAY better and bigger than Ed Davis. As I said, he'd be a combination of what Ed Davis was last season and what Festus Ezeli was supposed to be this season. We need more size and we need more toughness. O'Quinn would give us both.

BNM

While I agree that he is better than this year's Davis-who was really garbage this year, I don't think he is much better than last year's Davis which still isn't really enough. There are many great per 36 guys but there is a reason teams are not trusting them with bigger roles. Per36 stats can be deceiving and for guys like KOQ they mostly come playing against reserves. Such examples are Henson, B.Wright etc.

Of course he is more versatile than these, he is better, but still I don't think he is good enough. I'm really not sure if I'd give up Vonleh (although he seems a lost bet) for him. He won't make any real difference and I'm sure even if Vonleh doesn't become really valuable he can easily be as good as KOQ in 2 years.

And from all these guys I'd still prefer Aminu who I think would be better to back up the 4 if we find our future PF in this draft and he is locked in a friendly contract for 2 more years. KOQ would be just a one year player as I believe he will reject his player option summer of 2018 and then we will not have any cap space to sign him back or if we do it can cost more than Aminu.