Fire Quinn

[Greyvtrayn]

I think at this point saying Buch is their best forward is unrealistic. He had a good start to the season but Panarin is beasting right now. Aside from that you and Al are correct and dump is in typical fashion. If we are deciding between Panarin, Buch, Kreider, Laf and Kakko about who plays on the third line (simple math tells you this is the case) then yeah, Kakko or MAYBE LaF plays on the third line for this season barring injury/trade. Next year though I would expect both to be on the top two lines consistently.

 

[NYR Fan]

I don't disagree on Buch vs. Panarin, but the point is still the point, Buch has been very good and should be fixture in the top 6 (which he has been). Agreed with your overall point for sure. Spot on.

 

[NYR2009]

LAF and Kakko have to play on the first 2 lines. Quinn puts one of them for some reason, but not both. It is noticeable when they are in the top 6. Krider or Buch needs to come out of the top 6. It is good to have anyway. It would help Chytil to have a talented vet on this line.

 

[Greyvtrayn]

when chytil comes back i hope he continues his strong play. with either laf, kakko or kreider it almost like having a 2A line. well not almost but an above average 3rd line.

 

[NYR Fan]

Kakko and Chytil formed a very good duo before Chytil got hurt. I would be fine if they went back to that when Chytil returns. Of course given that is still 4 weeks away, it isn't even worth speculating, because who knows where things will be at that point.

I will say this though, the Kakko/Chytil duo played really well together. I don't care if they were considered a 3rd line or not, that was a good pairing for both of them, and that's what matters. Again kudos to Quinn for that.

 

[kreidertime]

This thread should always be on top Until this schmuck is fired

 

[kreidertime]

Brooks back to his senile ways today. Refusing to blame the coach for the development of the young forwards. Stating Kakko has taken huge steps forwards. Kakko improved because of Kakko. His talent and will to succeed. Not because of anything the coach has done. Same with Miller, Fox and Lindgren. This coach is clearly incompetent. If Brooks can't see that then he should have retired 15 years ago as I suggested. Gauthier who is one of our few forwards that creates scoring chances got 9 1/2 minutes of icetime. Yet, another example of this dumb fuck coach having no clue.

Gorton and JD have to get hammered as well. The NMC from Gorton with Trouba. Signing Strome who clearly sucks instead of letting him walk and using the farm in the off-season to bring in a better center. Adding career journeymen to the roster like Di Guiseppi, Blackwell, Rooney instead of committing to players like Barron, Gettinger and Richards. Stupidity and incompetence from our front office.

 

[NYR Fan]

Brooks is senile because he gives the coach credit when deserved, and blame when deserved, like last nights effort.

You on the other hand are normal and good to go when you blame the coach (and over and over again coaches) for everything. And when good things happen, like the players you called out above, it's in spite of the coach. That is very fair.

Bad = blame coach. Good = in spite of coach.

And for good measure, now JD and Gorton stink as well.

The real scary thing here is you believe that. I have said this in the past, but you need some help bro. No sane rational person could possibly have the opinions you do, and I believe you believe them. Like you see nothing wrong with your takes. If you want help guy, direct message me and I will help you. I don't want to see something serious happen to you.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

We are budding with centers in the organization...so no way we should have resigned Strome...big fucking eyeroll

Cause strome is holding back some superstar center in the organization

 

[kreidertime]

As usual you missed the point Al. The point is Strome sucks and the Rangers have a loaded farm system with players at positions they have no room for they should have acquired a center. I was pushing for Dvorak last year. Same with Larkin. I don’t wanna hear that nonsense they don’t have what it takes to get them. Yes they do.

 

[kreidertime]

The fact this retard scratched Gauthier again when he was one of the few forwards we had creating chances is another example of what a dumb fuck this coach is. He continues to play Howden who sucks in every facet of the game. The more I watch Quinn, the more he reminds me of Renney. Falling in love with non productive, low talent players because they try hard. He scratched Gauthier yesterday for a career, AHL journey man who will never amount to jack shit. Wake up JD and Gorton. Grows some balls and get rid of this coach.

 

[NYR Fan]

This is why the coach cannot win. He's trying to actually win hockey games, which if he didn't he gets destroyed by an unreasonable fan base. On the flip side he gets called out by idiots like the guy above for daring to scratch a guy with ONE GOAL in 26 career NHL games. OMG - he must be in the lineup.

Even when he wins he loses. Joke.

 

[NYR2009]

Chuck, last night Kreider committed a penalty in the offensive zone during 5:3 PP. How many times this has happened in the history of the NHL. There is no excuse. I understand that the penalty was at the blue line and Flyers were clearing the zone, but if you lost the battle, you let it go and retrieve the puck. The reason why Quinn needs to be fired is because if Kakko did this, or LAF did this, he would bench in a second, but when a veteran does this, they get to play on the top line.

There is absolutely no excuse for playing Howden and there is no excuse for benching Gauthier. Gauthier impressed me more than LAF at this point, understandably he is 22 and LAF is 19, but to bench Gauthier is plain wrong. Howden cannot stand on skates. He battle on the boards and ends up on his ass almost every time. How could you not see that? He is slow, he looks clumsy and wobbly, he cannot win a board battle - weak, cannot fight, below 50% on faceoffs, maybe he is an okay penalty killer at best.

Last night was one of the worst performances that I have ever seen this team play and that was against a team that had COVID with many players missing. I understand we have our top two Ds missing and an average 3rd line center, but they had way more talent than us missing and the game was decided in overtime, so could have gone either way. That game was won by Georgiev.

Fire Quinn.

 

[NYR Fan]

Awesome stuff. We outshot the Flyers 33-22, we had a lead into the final minutes, we end up winning the game, your precious Kakko played over 17 minutes, and it "was one of the worst performances that I have ever seen this team play."

Man it is tough being a coach/player/fan in NY. Good times.

 

[mrmel29]

Chuck, I'm starting to think you may be related to Quinn! LOL

 

[NYR2009]

HAHA! That's funny.

 

[NYR Fan]

I get that mel...seeing as I am being fair to him and all....

 

[kreidertime]

Yep. I've been impressed by Gauthier many times. Howden, almost never. Nice kid but JD and Gorton need to fire Quinn and get rid of Howden pronto. No reason to play him. At this point he sucks. Quinn is doing the same thing he did to Andersson and Torts did to Kreider. I don't want to hear about Kreider working out ever again. He plays like a lazy pussy every game.

 

[NYR Fan]

Right, so now Howden is the devil also (the same guy who has more points than Lafreniere, and 1 point less than Kakko). Along with Quinn. And Quinn did something to Andersson, the same guy who has ONE point in 11 games with the Kings, is a -6 (worst on their team), and is playing under 11 MPG. DAMN YOU QUINN...LOL.

And damn you Quinn for not playing ONE goal in 26 NHL games Gauthier.

Funny.

 

[Stepupstepan]

They may need a coaching change just to get Laf going. His production is laughable for the first pick overall under this coach. It's early but does not seem like Laf will flourish under Quinn. Kappo has looked better but still, his production is also laughable for such a high pick. The first and second pick from the last two drafts has combined for 4 points in 29 games. That's a joke.

 

[NYR2009]

Step, you are spot on. Chuck doesn't get it. This season is not about winning games, who gives a shit. This season given the circumstance of COVID, is about developing talent. This is like a long training camp. LAF must play with Z or Panarin. He is playing with Howden. I understand that Gorton and JD did not get a center, and they could have gotten at least Brian Boyle who is not exactly an amazing center, but he wins draws, veteran, uses body well and would have at least created some space for LAF to generate something on his own. They could have gotten Stall type center, a vet on a short term contract. I know Koivu retired mid-season but they didn't even try to get him. But lack of centers should have made Quinn's job somewhat easier in decision making because of limited options. LAF with Z or move Panarin to the right and play with Strome and move Kakko up with Z and Krieder. Doesn't matter how, LAF and Kakko have to play to develop. Buch and Kreider are tutors at this point, and if they need to move down, they do to help #1 and #2. This coach doesn't get it.

Quinn lives in a pretend world as if we are competing for something and admitingly said that kids don't get too many chances at mistakes and vets do. Gauthier impressed me a lot with his power moves, drew penalties and have shown flashes of dominance. This coach benches him after one mediocre game. It is inexcusable.

Next year it is LAF or Quinn and I am afraid it will be Quinn because he is friends with Gorton.

 

[panzerporter]

If your primary concern is development then Quinn has done a decent job, aside from Gauthier who I agree should get more ice time. The #1s all started out with limited even strength minutes and now play 14-15 minutes with special team time 15 games into the season. Quinn can't just impart experience onto them but he has installed a system that creates scoring chances. I would throw Mika in the trade mix. He's affordable, has a year left and I can't see the Rangers resigning him. I don't know if Quinn is the future but 15 games into the season is a pretty small sample.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

Step, you are spot on. Chuck doesn't get it. This season is not about winning games, who gives a shit. This season given the circumstance of COVID, is about developing talent. This is like a long training camp. LAF must play with Z or Panarin. He is playing with Howden. I understand that Gorton and JD did not get a center, and they could have gotten at least Brian Boyle who is not exactly an amazing center, but he wins draws, veteran, uses body well and would have at least created some space for LAF to generate something on his own. They could have gotten Stall type center, a vet on a short term contract. I know Koivu retired mid-season but they didn't even try to get him. But lack of centers should have made Quinn's job somewhat easier in decision making because of limited options. LAF with Z or move Panarin to the right and play with Strome and move Kakko up with Z and Krieder. Doesn't matter how, LAF and Kakko have to play to develop. Buch and Kreider are tutors at this point, and if they need to move down, they do to help #1 and #2. This coach doesn't get it.

Quinn lives in a pretend world as if we are competing for something and admitingly said that kids don't get too many chances at mistakes and vets do. Gauthier impressed me a lot with his power moves, drew penalties and have shown flashes of dominance. This coach benches him after one mediocre game. It is inexcusable.

Next year it is LAF or Quinn and I am afraid it will be Quinn because he is friends with Gorton.

Love how all the sideline gms knows exactly what is going on behind the scenes. You have no clue if the rangers asked about a certain player or tried to get a player before he retired.

 

[kreidertime]

Love you how kiss the ass of every coach we have and never, ever, hold them accountable. Please wake the board when one of the main vets on this team has been scratched for shit play instead of a kid .

 

[NYR Fan]

This year is not about winning games, it's about developing talent. And when they lose Quinn gets ripped. And if they lost game after game "developing talent" he'd be destroyed and fired.

This year is not about winning games, it's about developing talent. They could have signed 100 year old Boyle or Koivu.

This year is not about winning games, it's about developing talent. Kakko is playing 15 MPG, Lafreniere is playing 14;30 MPG.

Have to love NY fans.

Lafreniere has played plenty of games in the top 6 with Z or Strome, and he has 1 point, 1. Not knocking him overall, but right now he is being played the way he should be IMO. Not just tossed to the wolves.

 

[Greyvtrayn]

Is Quinn not the same coach who benched D'Angelo at the start of the season when he played like trash? The issue with benching an underperformer like Zibanejad is he plays Center, who are the Rangers going to give more minutes to in his place? Chytil is out for a while, Strome is already getting #2 C minutes. Howden hasn't improved. Rooney has played with some spark but he isn't in the long term plans for this team.
Also, I am of the opinion it's not the best way to get a slumping player going by benching him. Put them in situations where they can perform and hold them accountable when it matters the most, during contract negotiations.
I still think Kreider is the one who could/should be moved down in the line combinations in favor of LaF. Play LaF with Z and Buch, Kreider with Howden/Rooney, DiG. Keep Kreider on PP1 but swap Z with Strome. Have Z center Kakko and LaF on PP2. See what happens there.
But here I go, talking like I think I know something....

 

[NYR Fan]

I wish we had that 6.5 mill going to Kreider freed up to sign a C, or we would have kept Hayes over Kreider. Once we got Lafreniere, it made the Kreider deal even worse IMO. We have plenty of wingers, and don't need 6.5 per for 7 years spent on show up 40% of the time Mr. Invisible Kreider. Is what it is now, but that's the reality.

I have seen nothing from Kreider that tells me he will ever be more than a 25-27 goal guy who is streaky as F. There is value in that don't get me wrong, but not on a team with a slew of good young wingers that can play in the top 6. Positionally it doesn't work at 6.5 per. And at this point he won't get better, he'll only get worse over the next 3 years or so.

 

[mrmel29]

Chuck, kreids can be a lot better I’ll admit and should be on the third line at the moment so Laf can be up on the 1st or 2nd but right now hands down the most disappointing player is z man who with 1 goal for the season is a disgrace. He plays the pp1, the OT ETC. if college boy wanted to make a point with him start limiting his minutes until he gets his head out of his ass and starts scoring. Right now I’d rather see Rooney and Blackwell out there ahead of him. And yes, I agree with you if they knew they would get the top pick kreids would probably be in Boston right now. But the fact is they didn’t and kreids actually took a hometown discount to stay here so I give credit for someone that wants to be here just like the breadman took less to be here instead of the islanders. I really wish as long as this is a throw away season that they’d get Barron up here to get some experience!

 

[theProdigy223]

I wish we had that 6.5 mill going to Kreider freed up to sign a C, or we would have kept Hayes over Kreider. Once we got Lafreniere, it made the Kreider deal even worse IMO. We have plenty of wingers, and don't need 6.5 per for 7 years spent on show up 40% of the time Mr. Invisible Kreider. Is what it is now, but that's the reality.

Had we known we were about to hit the lottery and draft Lafreniere, Im sure JG and JD would have done a lot of things differently including the Kreider situation. But we didnt have the benefit of that information at the time. No doubt Kreider like pretty much every veteran we have is not getting it done right now and his contract doesnt look great. But I think it was the right move at the time. Cant have a room full of young kids and Kreider was signed to be a leader in addition to his skill set.

It's a fair point that Hayes as a C is more valuable than Kreids, but he is not the type of player you can rely on in the playoffs. We saw that first hand for years and it drove us all nuts. He plays a soft game and is just not a leader. Last year was the first time he ever showed up on the scoresheet consistently in the playoffs. Giving him the contract he got and a permanent seat as a top 6 C would not have been in our long term interest. Once we are competitive I'd rather have Kreider's speed and size on the wings than Hayes' looping circles around the offensive zone and stupid tilted visor.

But no doubt we need an upgrade at C. I was beating that drum all offseason long and will continue to do so. It was an odd trademarket this summer, but we know what we're dealing with now. Gorton has to find a fit. Still think Calgary needs to blow it up and we can pry Monahan out of there.

 

[NYR Fan]

No doubt cannot get on JD/Gorton at all regarding the Lafreniere situation, who knew we'd win the lottery. My point was it made a bad signing even worse IMO. I didn't like the Kreider signing when they did it. Kreider is who he is, a limited player who disappears for long stretches. At this point I am of the belief that will never change.

I think his re-signing was done for the wrong reasons. Well, we want to try and win at some point, and we cannot trade every vet, Kreider is the last vet left, okay let's re-sign him if we can keep him under 7 mill per. That's how I think it went down. And based on position, I absolutely rather have Hayes if I were given the choice.

With that said, and I am mainly talking to myself here, it is what it is and that ship has sailed. Hopefully the 6.5 per for a long time that Kreider is getting doesn't become a total albatross. And I do give him credit for taking less, but he also got a NTC for that discount.

As for Z, I agree mel, he has been awful, even worse than Kreider. But he plays C and we are so thin there, double so with Chytil out, plus he plays on the PK, and he takes big faceoffs (yes struggling this year). Sitting him to move a guy like Rooney up just doesn't make sense. Also, and maybe this is not fair, I give him a bit of a break because the guy had Covid literally days before the season started. That may not be fair to give him a little break due to that at this point, but I do. But yes no doubt Z has been bad, and needs to be MUCH MUH better and soon.

As for needing a C, we all (including me head of the line), need to stop touting I knew they needed a C and said it 500 times in August etc. Everyone and their brother knows we need a C badly, so that is not breaking news, or something one person is calling out. We all said it, we all know it, Gorton/JD need to deal from the excess prospects we have, and get a top 6 C in here this summer. I still think Eichel can/will be the guy, unless the Sabres make the playoffs this year, and keep Hall.