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I say let it go through. People have to avoid his advances.</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'></p><table border="0" width="100%" class="standings"><tbody><tr align="left" valign="top"><th>Folder</th><td width="100%">Inbox</td></tr> <tr align="left" valign="top"><th>From</th><td width="100%"><span class="Member">GrandKenyon6</span></td></tr> <tr align="left" valign="top"><th>Date</th><td width="100%">Sunday, August 19, 2007 05:18 PM</td></tr> <tr valign="top"><th colspan="2" style="height: 4px"></th></tr> </tbody></table> <table border="0" class="post" style="margin-bottom: 0px"><tbody><tr valign="top"><td class="userbit" align="left"> <div class="userbit_background"> <span class="bigusername"><span class="Member">GrandKenyon6</span></span> Member <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" width="175" height="175"> <tbody><tr align="left" valign="center"><td>
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</td></tr></tbody></table> Member <table border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" class="userbit_raw"> <tbody><tr valign="top"><td align="left">Joined:</td><td></td><td>August 2007</td></tr> <tr valign="top"><td align="left">Posts:</td><td></td><td>71</td></tr> <tr valign="top"><td align="left">Views:</td><td></td><td>3629</td></tr> <tr valign="top"><td align="left">Income:</td><td></td><td>139.60</td></tr> <tr valign="top"><td align="left">Points:</td><td></td><td>639.57</td></tr> </tbody></table> </div> </td><td class="body" align="left" style="margin-bottom: 100%"> <div style="overflow: auto; height: 100%; width: 100%">Both my 10th rounders and my higher 11th rounder for your 8th rounder and 2 12th rounders. That's a good deal. You'll have 3 picks each in rounds 10 and 11.<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BG7 Lavigne:</div><div class="quote_post">

</p><div class="quote_poster">Quoting GrandKenyon6:</div><div class="quote_post">I will give you both of my 10th round picks and my lower 11th round pick for your 8th round pick and 2 picks in round 12.</div>

Not happening. </p></div></div> <div class="signature">

First Official S2 NBA GM Draft</p>

<font color="#993300">PHILADELPHIA 76ERS</font></p>

<font color="#993300">C: Emeka Okafor</font> </p>

<font color="#993300">PF: Chris Bosh</font> </p>

<font color="#993300">SF: Josh Howard</font> </p>

<font color="#993300">SG:</font></p>

<font color="#993300">PG: Kirk Hinrich</font> </p>

<font color="#993300">BENCH:</font> </p></div></td></tr></tbody></table>

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Others just need to learn how to say No! If people are able to crumble and not say no to GK6 on a trade offer, how are they going to say no to drugs? No wonder why so many people have a hard time saying no to drugs, they're mentally weak and can't avoid his advances. </p>
 
My team is coming together pretty nicely.</p>

What's your thought on it so far?</p>
 
Im really regretting trading my 5th rounder now.</p>

I wish I would of thought before I said yes.</p>

Stupid me...</p>
 
My trade wasn't lopsided where JCB gained nothing or moved down more than he moved up. He gained significantly for his bench.
 
You shouldn't post PM's for the public to see, either.</p>

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They are private messages for a reason. </p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'>My trade wasn't lopsided where JCB gained nothing or moved down more than he moved up. He gained significantly for his bench.</div>

And is that not what Giantsfan1 would be doing? He'd have 3 10th round picks and move from the end of round 11 to the beginning of round 11, hence gaining significantly for his bench. </p>
 
Do you not realize he's trading down further than he's trading up? Look at it pickwise, not round wise. He's losing spots AND the best pick in the deal.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'>My trade wasn't lopsided where JCB gained nothing or moved down more than he moved up. He gained significantly for his bench.</div>

And is that not what Giantsfan1 would be doing? He'd have 3 10th round picks and move from the end of round 11 to the beginning of round 11, hence gaining significantly for his bench. </p>

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An 8th round selection >>>> 3 10th round selections. </p>

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There is a huge drop off in talent in NBA benches from 8th men (i.e. rotation players) to scrubs</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'>My trade wasn't lopsided where JCB gained nothing or moved down more than he moved up. He gained significantly for his bench.</div>

And is that not what Giantsfan1 would be doing? He'd have 3 10th round picks and move from the end of round 11 to the beginning of round 11, hence gaining significantly for his bench. </p>

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An 8th round selection >>>> 3 10th round selections. </p>

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There is a huge drop off in talent in NBA benches from 8th men (i.e. rotation players) to scrubs</p>

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Yeah, and a 1st round selection >>>> bench help.</p>

There is a huge difference between a franchise player and a 6th man.</p>
 
JCB didn't even gain bench help that much, it was more geared towards better balance in his starting lineup, he gained getting 2 starters much earlier (2nd and 4th round) and another rotation player in the 7th, just like you trading up to get your starters earlier.</p>

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It's ridiculous to even compare these two trades. Would you do that trade if you were giantsfan? Odds are no, not because you wouldn't want depth, because it's unfair and stupid to do that.</p>
 
[quote name='GrandKenyon6'][quote name='cpawfan'][quote name='GrandKenyon6'][quote name='Kid Chocolate']My trade wasn't lopsided where JCB gained nothing or moved down more than he moved up. He gained significantly for his bench.[/QUOTE]

And is that not what Giantsfan1 would be doing? He'd have 3 10th round picks and move from the end of round 11 to the beginning of round 11, hence gaining significantly for his bench. </p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

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An 8th round selection >>>> 3 10th round selections. </p>

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There is a huge drop off in talent in NBA benches from 8th men (i.e. rotation players) to scrubs</p>

</p> [/QUOTE]

Yeah, and a 1st round selection >>>> bench help.</p>

There is a huge difference between a franchise player and a 6th man. </p>

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You aren't even in the same ballpark logic wise</p>

JCB moved down from 19 to 49 and then picked up 173 and 127 spots.</p>

Exchanging a first (and 2 scrubs) for a second, fourth and a seventh is entirely different than what you are trying to claim.</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'>My trade wasn't lopsided where JCB gained nothing or moved down more than he moved up. He gained significantly for his bench.</div>

And is that not what Giantsfan1 would be doing? He'd have 3 10th round picks and move from the end of round 11 to the beginning of round 11, hence gaining significantly for his bench. </p>

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An 8th round selection >>>> 3 10th round selections. </p>

</p>

There is a huge drop off in talent in NBA benches from 8th men (i.e. rotation players) to scrubs</p>

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Sure, there is a drop off in talent, but to claim that only scrubs will be available in the later rounds is nonsense. Plenty of players that can be contributors will be there. The key is to determining which ones. Just look at some of the picks being made so far. Good players are going to fall. And besides, it was his choice to make that trade just like it was CelticKing's choice to make the other one. If you don't like it, then try to better your team and keep up instead of bitching about it. That's what good GM's do. Disallowing it is like David Stern disallowing Boston's trade for Garnett because it makes the Atltantic Division unfair and complaining about it is like Rod Thorn complaining to Stern about the trade instead of seeking to better his team and do his job. It's ridiculous and dumb. That's not the point though. The point is that allowing some of the other trades that have been made while disallowing this one is hypocrisy at its finest. </p>

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This is nothing like the Garnett trade.</p>

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This would be like trading in the NBA draft picks 10 and 30 for picks 22 and 23.</p>
 
I really don't want to argue it anymore, the trade was made, even if it was crap.</p>

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I just don't understand why giantsfan would do it.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'>

You shouldn't post PM's for the public to see, either.</p>

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They are private messages for a reason. </p></div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'></p><div class="pagelet_title">Re: I want your 8th round pick</div> <table border="0" width="100%" class="standings"> <tbody><tr align="left" valign="top"><th>Folder</th><td width="100%">Sent Items</td></tr> <tr align="left" valign="top"><th>From</th><td width="100%"><span class="Member">lukewarmplay</span></td></tr> <tr align="left" valign="top"><th>Date</th><td width="100%">Saturday, August 18, 2007 01:08 AM</td></tr> <tr valign="top"><th colspan="2" style="height: 4px"></th></tr></tbody></table><span class="bigusername"><span class="Member"></span></span><div style="overflow: auto; height: 100%; width: 100%">That's so generous of you. Too generous, really. Just take it; I want you to have it. No, really. I wasn't planning on using it. It was just going to sit in the corner getting dusty. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting GrandKenyon6:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm willing to offer both of my 10th round picks for your 8th and 12th.</div><div class="quote_post"></div></div><div class="quote_post">he never responded. </div><div class="quote_post">stop making rows</div></div>

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[quote name='GrandKenyon6'][quote name='cpawfan'][quote name='GrandKenyon6'][quote name='Kid Chocolate']My trade wasn't lopsided where JCB gained nothing or moved down more than he moved up. He gained significantly for his bench.[/QUOTE]

And is that not what Giantsfan1 would be doing? He'd have 3 10th round picks and move from the end of round 11 to the beginning of round 11, hence gaining significantly for his bench. </p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

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An 8th round selection >>>> 3 10th round selections. </p>

</p>

There is a huge drop off in talent in NBA benches from 8th men (i.e. rotation players) to scrubs</p>

</p>

[/QUOTE]</p>

Sure, there is a drop off in talent, but to claim that only scrubs will be available in the later rounds is nonsense. Plenty of players that can be contributors will be there. The key is to determining which ones. Just look at some of the picks being made so far. Good players are going to fall. And besides, it was his choice to make that trade just like it was CelticKing's choice to make the other one. If you don't like it, then try to better your team and keep up instead of bitching about it. That's what good GM's do. Disallowing it is like David Stern disallowing Boston's trade for Garnett because it makes the Atltantic Division unfair and complaining about it is like Rod Thorn complaining to Stern about the trade instead of seeking to better his team and do his job. It's ridiculous and dumb. That's not the point though. The point is that allowing some of the other trades that have been made while disallowing this one is hypocrisy at its finest. </p>

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Neither case is hypocrisy, but allowing this trade to go through while a similar one didn't would be a more accurate description of inconsistency. And for the record, there are analogous rules and obstacles to trading in the NBA. </p>
 
Thoughts on the Corey Brewer pick? </p>

I really wanted to take Nenad or Villanueva, but they were taken just ahead of my pick (much like every other player I've been looking at).</p>
 
Part of the reason I found someone to take my team was so that I could arbitrate things like this with no bias. As lwp pointed out, consistency is the issue here
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>An 8th round selection >>>> 3 10th round selections.

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There is a huge drop off in talent in NBA benches from 8th men (i.e. rotation players) to scrubs</p>

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Yeah, and a 1st round selection >>>> bench help.</p>

There is a huge difference between a franchise player and a 6th man. </p>

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The difference in my trade was not a franchise player for a 6th man. Sure, I gave up my 1st rounder, but I was able to pick up 2 very good players in the 2nd round, and my starting lineup is now set. And we're not even done with the 4th round yet. By the time the 7th round is done, my 9 man rotation will be complete. When the 9th round is done, my roster will essentially be filled. And there will still be 3 more rounds after that. My trade was not lopsided in the least. I just chose to go for a strong overall team, rather than a team led by superstars with a weak supporting cast. </p>

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As I said earlier in this thread, I love JCB's team.</p>

He has a lot of work to do, but he did about as well as he could without a first round pick. </p>

Also, he does have one player who has a chance to be a first round value in the near future - Monta Ellis.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'>My trade wasn't lopsided where JCB gained nothing or moved down more than he moved up. He gained significantly for his bench.</div>

And is that not what Giantsfan1 would be doing? He'd have 3 10th round picks and move from the end of round 11 to the beginning of round 11, hence gaining significantly for his bench. </p>

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Giantsfan doesn't count because he lives in 2001 and the time difference makes trades impossible.</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate)</div><div class='quotemain'>My trade wasn't lopsided where JCB gained nothing or moved down more than he moved up. He gained significantly for his bench.</div>

And is that not what Giantsfan1 would be doing? He'd have 3 10th round picks and move from the end of round 11 to the beginning of round 11, hence gaining significantly for his bench. </p>

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Giantsfan doesn't count because he lives in 2001 and the time difference makes trades impossible. </p>

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Hehe.</p>
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Part of the reason I found someone to take my team was so that I could arbitrate things like this with no bias. As lwp pointed out, consistency is the issue here</div></p>

So it's not ok to correct a past mistake? The other trade shouldn't have been vetoed in the first place. </p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'>

As I said earlier in this thread, I love JCB's team.</p>

He has a lot of work to do, but he did about as well as he could without a first round pick. </p>

Also, he does have one player who has a chance to be a first round value in the near future - Monta Ellis. </p>

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I'm a big fan of JCB's team too. It will be good now and has a chance to be great in the future, but by saying he did as well as he could without a first round pick you are essentially admitting that his team isn't good enough to win a championship, which is what a player of Carmelo's ability would've given him a chance to do.</p>

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6)</div><div class='quotemain'>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'>Part of the reason I found someone to take my team was so that I could arbitrate things like this with no bias. As lwp pointed out, consistency is the issue here</div></p>

So it's not ok to correct a past mistake? The other trade shouldn't have been vetoed in the first place. </p>

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Dude, it wasn't a mistake the first time. I'm glad you're vigorously defending your strategy, but it throws the whole thing out of whack. Every fantasy league has a way of disallowing stupid trades.</p>

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