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Few great teams have had their PF be their leading scorer. Instead of praising Aldridge for however he shoots each game, I wish we would praise him if he gets a lot of rebounds, or if he stops his man.

He talks only about his scoring because that's how we and the media define him. I'd like him a lot more if he averaged 12 points and 14 rebounds.
 
I agree. But he's not Ben Wallace or Dennis Rodman. For better or worse, scoring has become the metric by which first-option big men are graded.

So, because he's going to shoot ~20 shots a game, I'd much rather he do it in the manner he did last night, where he was efficient and used his jump-shooting ability as a changeup rather than the go-to. He had 23 points on 16 shots. I can live with that all year. Especially on a night when the rest of the team couldn't shoot into the ocean from a sinking boat.
 
I agree. But he's not Ben Wallace or Dennis Rodman. For better or worse, scoring has become the metric by which first-option big men are graded.

Not true. Even good scorers like Pao Gasol are judged and criticized mainly on tough defense and rebounding, not scoring.

So, because he's going to shoot ~20 shots a game, I'd much rather he do it in the manner he did last night, where he was efficient and used his jump-shooting ability as a changeup rather than the go-to. He had 23 points on 16 shots. I can live with that all year. Especially on a night when the rest of the team couldn't shoot into the ocean from a sinking boat.

They'd shoot better if the coach's system gave them more opportunities to shoot, and Aldridge fewer.
 
Few great teams have had their PF be their leading scorer. Instead of praising Aldridge for however he shoots each game, I wish we would praise him if he gets a lot of rebounds, or if he stops his man.

He talks only about his scoring because that's how we and the media define him. I'd like him a lot more if he averaged 12 points and 14 rebounds.

Now you're talking crazy. You want a PF that rebounds and plays defense? Next you'll want a small forward that rebounds......where will this madness end?
 
I read criticism here of Hickson for having no range, taking and making only junk shots, and staying close to the hoop, and I think, "Yeah! That's how I want my PF to be! Scoring should be last priority for a PF."
 
I read criticism here of Hickson for having no range, taking and making only junk shots, and staying close to the hoop, and I think, "Yeah! That's how I want my PF to be! Scoring should be last priority for a PF."

I like JJ's approach to the game.

I have this weird feeling that he is on his best behavior because of the 1-year contract thing, and if he signs a multi-year, his inner nut-job will come out.
 
Threads such as this one make this board almost unreadable.

306 posts of almost zero legitimate basketball talk. Instead, more pie-in-the-sky trade scenarios that are laughable to argue or debate. Everybody does realize that this season was supposed to suck, right? And that the idea was to get more will in the draft and with cap space next summer, right?

The guy who is going 21/7 isn't the problem.
 
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One issue is that you think counting stats are a good measure of what a problem is. If Nolan Smith was shooting 7-24 on 3's every night, would you say that a 21 ppg PG wasn't the problem? Because that's a higher eFG% than the non-problem.
 
btw: I don't know how Win Shares are calculated, but he's by far at the worst WS/48 of his career. About 2/3's of his rookie year and less than half his last two LaMonster years.
 
One issue is that you think counting stats are a good measure of what a problem is. If Nolan Smith was shooting 7-24 on 3's every night, would you say that a 21 ppg PG wasn't the problem? Because that's a higher eFG% than the non-problem.

What a ridiculous post. Nothing in LMA's past two seasons show that he's an inefficient player. He's coming off of a major surgery, and instead of being praised for playing, he has experts like you and others calling him lazy, soft, etc.

I'm sure in a few years Lillard will be next in line for you all to be bashed while being the team's best player.
 
What a ridiculous post. Nothing in LMA's past two seasons show that he's an inefficient player. He's coming off of a major surgery, and instead of being praised for playing, he has experts like you and others calling him lazy, soft, etc.

I'm sure in a few years Lillard will be next in line for you all to be bashed while being the team's best player.

I find a little irony in that you have always bashed Love for being the best player on a bad team. Now Aldridge is about to be the best player on a bad team for two years running.
 
I always love how some of the posters on this board like to toss out the "next you'll be bashing so and so..."

Nope.

We've pretty much been bashing Aldridge consistently for the last... what... four years? It's not like these criticisms are new. People don't like a power forward that shoots 20 footers primarily. We don't like a power forward that struggles to get 7 boards. We don't like a power forward that doesn't play defense.
 
I always love how some of the posters on this board like to toss out the "next you'll be bashing so and so..."

Nope.

We've pretty much been bashing Aldridge consistently for the last... what... four years? It's not like these criticisms are new. People don't like a power forward that shoots 20 footers primarily. We don't like a power forward that struggles to get 7 boards. We don't like a power forward that doesn't play defense.

Exactly. We didn't start bashing Roy until he hurt his knee and was half the player he once was. I think its kind of a little kid mentality to get angry when people have criticisms of a teams best player.
 
Exactly. We didn't start bashing Roy until he hurt his knee and was half the player he once was. I think its kind of a little kid mentality to get angry when people have criticisms of a teams best player.

I was disappointed when Roy got hurt, not because of his play but because of his attitude. The guy is obviously living in a dream world and he refuses to wake up to reality. He can't play anymore.
 
Exactly. We didn't start bashing Roy until he hurt his knee and was half the player he once was. I think its kind of a little kid mentality to get angry when people have criticisms of a teams best player.

There were people bashing Roy before that, primarily because of the offense we ran because of him. And that trading him meant we could be a fast, fun, fast breaking team. The criticism definitely peaked when he got hurt, but there was quite a bit of complaints because we had to play slow to fit him, when supposedly the rest of our team fit a faster pace.
 
There were people bashing Roy before that, primarily because of the offense we ran because of him. And that trading him meant we could be a fast, fun, fast breaking team. The criticism definitely peaked when he got hurt, but there was quite a bit of complaints because we had to play slow to fit him, when supposedly the rest of our team fit a faster pace.

Wait.... who was saying we should trade Roy? I don't remember anyone saying we should trade Roy. I think most people wanted to trade for CP3 to pair with him.

Most people wanted to fire McMillan and run a different offense.
 
There were people bashing Roy before that, primarily because of the offense we ran because of him. And that trading him meant we could be a fast, fun, fast breaking team. The criticism definitely peaked when he got hurt, but there was quite a bit of complaints because we had to play slow to fit him, when supposedly the rest of our team fit a faster pace.

Its too bad Roy's prime wasn't spent with a coach who knew how to utilize him in the team concept.

Does that statement make me less of a fan?
 
I'm sure in a few years Lillard will be next in line for you all to be bashed while being the team's best player.

Which was my point in starting this thread that you just bitched about. They always like the new guy until another new guy comes along.
 
I always love how some of the posters on this board like to toss out the "next you'll be bashing so and so..."

Nope.

We've pretty much been bashing Aldridge consistently for the last... what... four years? It's not like these criticisms are new. People don't like a power forward that shoots 20 footers primarily. We don't like a power forward that struggles to get 7 boards. We don't like a power forward that doesn't play defense.

You were bashing him two seasons ago when he was having back to back 40 point home games? You were bashing him last season when he made the All Star team?

And who is WE? WE have been bashing him?
 
Which was my point in starting this thread that you just bitched about. They always like the new guy until another new guy comes along.

There will be criticisms with every player, especially the perceived leader of the team. That comes with the territory. You better get used to that.
 
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You're projecting. Personally, I think he was more deserving of it last year than the year before, but this isn't the thread I'm going to debate that. And my argument has nothing to do with what he did last year or in 2010-11, it's with what he's doing now and what the team should look like in the next couple of years.

it's pretty silly to think you can dictate the flow of the thread and say this or that matters or doesn't... you've been here a while now. You threw in a stupid jab about how somehow Aldridge may not have deserved the All NBA honor and want to just let it pass. But okay! Dumb comment made and forgotten

I view how LA is doing now as a reflection of where he is physically following his surgery. If it's felt that he's still mending/rounding into form, then now would be a really stupid time to trade him as you stand to get lower value and you'd really never get to see how Lillard and he might project together. Given health going forward, my guess is both players will be performing better next year as Aldridge regains his body and DL learns the way of the league. If it's felt that LA is damaged goods and won't be what he was, then yeah I'd be looking... otherwise I'm thinking that my assets are growing so my trading chips are only increasing in value if I wait.

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it's pretty silly to think you can dictate the flow of the thread and say this or that matters or doesn't... you've been here a while now. You threw in a stupid jab about how somehow Aldridge may not have deserved the All NBA honor and want to just let it pass. But okay! Dumb comment made and forgotten

I view how LA is doing now as a reflection of where he is physically following his surgery. If it's felt that he's still mending/rounding into form, then now would be a really stupid time to trade him as you stand to get lower value and you'd really never get to see how Lillard and he might project together. Given health going forward, my guess is both players will be performing better next year as Aldridge regains his body and DL learns the way of the league. If it's felt that LA is damaged goods and won't be what he was, then yeah I'd be looking... otherwise I'm thinking that my assets are growing so my trading chips are only increasing in value if I wait.

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I'll say it again...I don't want to let "a stupid jab" pass--there wasn't a "stupid jab" to begin with. I thought he deserved All-NBA in 2010-11, and deserved it more last year. But I didn't want to derail a thread by bringing up whether or not he should've been an all-star in both, or all-NBA in both when we were talking about how his play had changed this year.
To your second point, who was the last Blazer traded at the peak of their value? Last year there were many people on this board saying that to give up Wallace to get a bunch of picks (reported from 3 to 5 1sts) in the Howard to NJN rumor was stupid, b/c you were giving up an All-Star who fit great with this team for some imaginary draft picks in the future. Fast forward 3 months, and not only was the board shocked that NJN would be stupid enough to give up a likely lotto pick for him, but happy that we'd gotten something of value at all for a guy in a down year whose contract was about to expire.

As for how LMA had been playing up until the BOS game, you (and if I'm reading it right, PapaG) view that as a reflection of his surgery or lack of preparation b/c of rehab or whatever. That's fine. But it seems pretty obvious (to me, anyway) that it's less a physical problem b/c he's been able to go inside against Garnett and Varejao the last two nights, and that by his own admission he a) has lost a step, and b) that he doesn't like going inside, and doesn't think that makes him 'a finesse player' b/c he "has to bang Chuck Hayes 6 times just to get into position for a jumper". Maybe he just started feeling better for the first time this year. Maybe Stotts has tweaked the offense the last two games because HE saw that having LMA be Dirk Jr. isn't working. Maybe LMA decided that what the team needed was for him to play more inside. Whatever the case, it's been working for him. He had 23/8 on 16 shots in BOS (in 3 quarters) and 21/9 on 21 shots tonight. He's gone from shooting 83% of his shots from outside (at a 42% clip) to shooting only 30% from outside (though at a 27% clip)--while maintaining his 18 shots a night. They're just a much better scoring opportunity now.

There are plenty of teams who would probably love LMA as a jump-shooting big 2nd- or 3rd-option. OKC, HOU, DAL come immediately to mind as teams with a rebounding/defending big and a scoring guard who can accept LMA opening up the middle by taking inefficient long jumpers at for 5 of every 6 shots. If that's how LMA is going to be playing, he's better there than here and it's a matter trying to get the most you can for him. If he's going to be "the Man" in the middle for the Blazers like he has the last two nights, then he's definitely someone to keep and build around.
The question the staff has to answer for themselves is: are you willing to bet that LaMonster's sticking around for awhile?
 
What a ridiculous post. Nothing in LMA's past two seasons show that he's an inefficient player. He's coming off of a major surgery, and instead of being praised for playing, he has experts like you and others calling him lazy, soft, etc.

I'm sure in a few years Lillard will be next in line for you all to be bashed while being the team's best player.

I can't speak for anyone else-all I was showing was that he's extremely inefficient with his offense this year, that the number of long jumpers he's taken has gone from ~65% to ~84% (and he's not shooting them as well--46% and 45% the last two years, 42% this year) and the number of inside shots/tips/dunks is roughly 1/3 of what it was during his all-star and all-NBA seasons. You can blame the injury if you'd like. He isn't. You could blame Stotts' offense. He didn't.

If he keeps playing the way he's played the last two nights (and the last two seasons) then I think you'll see a lot of the opinion of him on the board change for the better. I'm already happy to see that it either wasn't injury-related, or if it was, it's fixed...because he's done well banging against two of the best in the league in KG and Varejao the last two games.

If Lillard turns into a poor man's version of Gilbert Arenas mixed with Mike Bibby, then I'm sure he will be bashed. As he should be.
 
You were bashing him two seasons ago when he was having back to back 40 point home games? You were bashing him last season when he made the All Star team?

And who is WE? WE have been bashing him?

I was using the Royal "we".... obviously.
 
I always love how some of the posters on this board like to toss out the "next you'll be bashing so and so..."

Nope.

We've pretty much been bashing Aldridge consistently for the last... what... four years? It's not like these criticisms are new. People don't like a power forward that shoots 20 footers primarily. We don't like a power forward that struggles to get 7 boards. We don't like a power forward that doesn't play defense.

I always love when a 'commissioner' who PMs mere posters to say he is ignoring them pull the "some of the posters" card when responding to a specific poster's post.

I don't think you know jack squat about hoops or football, and you prove it here every time I read your garbage words than I unfortunately can't ignore.
 
I remember posters wanting to trade Roy to let Rudy be the franchise player, and later, LMA.

Now, "some" of those same hacks are whining about LMA. It's laughable.
 
Which was my point in starting this thread that you just bitched about. They always like the new guy until another new guy comes along.

I'm not bitching about the thread, I am bitching about the predictable stream of nonsense that followed your valid point.

Your thread was spot-on, and it's always the same people doing the same bashing of the team's best player. I do love how the Kevin Love jocksniffer has interjected himself into this thread, though. Way to go, Zags.
 
of course not.

It makes his BBIQ less than 70, though.

Nate coaxed 54 wins out of a team that should have won 30, and had a less-talented bench than the current bunch of scrubs.
 
I'll say it again...I don't want to let "a stupid jab" pass--there wasn't a "stupid jab" to begin with. I thought he deserved All-NBA in 2010-11, and deserved it more last year. But I didn't want to derail a thread by bringing up whether or not he should've been an all-star in both, or all-NBA in both when we were talking about how his play had changed this year.

then why did you? To me, all that AS & All NBA selections mean is a guy is probably among the best, multiple recognitions means he's probably among the very best.

To your second point, who was the last Blazer traded at the peak of their value? Last year there were many people on this board saying that to give up Wallace to get a bunch of picks (reported from 3 to 5 1sts) in the Howard to NJN rumor was stupid, b/c you were giving up an All-Star who fit great with this team for some imaginary draft picks in the future. Fast forward 3 months, and not only was the board shocked that NJN would be stupid enough to give up a likely lotto pick for him, but happy that we'd gotten something of value at all for a guy in a down year whose contract was about to expire.

no doubt, that was a great move. Wallace wasn't a current AS and it sure wasn't me raining on that particular trade parade. I view LA as a much better trade chip then Gerald... I'd certainly be willing to move LA if someone was willing to give up a King's ransom. Gerald was/is an aging hustle 3/4 vs LA is more of a skilled 4/5 entering his prime. Those are... much more valuable. But boy recalling, Gerald would be a welcome addition to this team

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