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https://bleacherreport.com/articles...t-more-changes-after-portland-execs-dismissal

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Swapping McCollum for Ben Simmons has been a popular idea among league figures. Simmons was one of several defensively minded wing players who Lillard has expressed interest in playing with since the 2020 offseason, along with Jaylen Brown and Aaron Gordon, sources said. Olshey did have conversations with the Magic for Gordon, but a deal never came to fruition. Portland instead traded two first-round picks for Robert Covington ahead of the 2020-21 season.

This preseason's trade talks between Portland and Philadelphia never advanced beyond early framework discussions, sources told B/R. Olshey believed the Blazers were constructed well enough to compete in the Western Conference and had little interest in parting ways with McCollum, the No. 10 selection Olshey handpicked during the 2013 draft and seemed to view as equally important to Portland's eight straight postseason appearances as Lillard.

On the surface, Olshey's firing would seemingly allow the two teams to return to the negotiating table. But ever since Simmons first levied his trade request to Philadelphia officials this summer, it's been difficult to foresee Daryl Morey's front office trading Simmons for McCollum, as the Sixers clearly intend to net an All-Star of equal or greater value in return. Lillard is among a handful of players at the very top of that list, not McCollum.

There's a greater expectation that any Portland roster shake-up would include starting center Jusuf Nurkic and/or swingman Robert Covington. The Blazers are presently known to be down on both players. Nurkic has not managed to recapture his impact from the Orlando bubble. And under Billups, Covington is playing his lowest minutes total since he first broke into the league with Philadelphia back in 2014-15.

Moving those players likely wouldn't initiate a rebuild, however low the team's record dips while Lillard recovers from lower abdominal tendinopathy, which has plagued him off and on for several years. (It became clear during the Tokyo Olympics that the injury was again an issue for Lillard, long known as one of the NBA's ironmen. He even contemplated surgery this offseason while seeing a specialist.)

Much of the blame does fall on Olshey's shoulders. "That roster just can't be good defensively," observed one assistant general manager. Billups clearly hasn't yet been the missing ingredient either. League personnel far and wide have taken note of the first-year head coach's penchant for blasting players' lack of effort and heart during postgame media sessions. It's a tactic often reserved for veteran coaches like Gregg Popovich.

Portland has now dropped six of its last seven games. Multiple league sources with knowledge of the situation cited player frustration with Billups' coaching demeanor and the team's offensive system.

The Blazers announced plans to conduct a search for their next permanent general manager, but external outreach has not yet begun, sources said. Multiple figures with knowledge of the situation maintain there are no true candidates, other than Cronin, at this time.

Spurs executive Brent Barry, who starred at Oregon State from 1991 to ‘95, was the third finalist for Portland's head coaching post that went to Billups and was considered a favorite of some involved in Portland's ownership dynamic.

If the rumors prove true—that Allen intends to sell her stake in the Blazers following the NBA's next television agreement—the person entrusted with the franchise the next few seasons will be responsible for more than just optimizing Lillard's window. "If you're putting the team up for sale and make the wrong hire, that would theoretically affect the price," said another high-ranking team official.

There is SO much good information in here that NO ONE else has reported before. Who knew Barry was actually third behind Billups and ahead of one of Hammon/D'Antoni?
 
Jody intends to sell after the TV deal. lol dude is just repeating my comments verbatim.
 
some contradictions here.

Whenever Lillard returns, the Blazers have a vested interest in surrounding him with playoff-caliber talent. It would appear that any Portland trades would primarily be geared toward shedding $3 million in salary to avoid paying the luxury tax—for a roster on the borderline of the play-in tournament—while also improving the league's 30th-ranked defense.
 
Confirmations of Neil’s delusion:

“Olshey believed the Blazers were constructed well enough to compete in the Western Conference and had little interest in parting ways with McCollum”

Great. His final FU to the franchise was not making a move for Simmons, which was possible over the summer, and is now much harder and/or impossible because now:

  • cj looks horrible
  • Roco looks washed
  • Maxey and curry look great
All things we could have avoided this summer.
 
I think everyone needs to drastically lower your expectations until we find new ownership.
 
thanks for the link. It is a good article

I found this kind of interesting:

"League personnel far and wide have taken note of the first-year head coach's penchant for blasting players' lack of effort and heart during postgame media sessions. It's a tactic often reserved for veteran coaches like Gregg Popovich.

Portland has now dropped six of its last seven games. Multiple league sources with knowledge of the situation cited player frustration with Billups' coaching demeanor and the team's offensive system
."

using the media to try and message-motivate players is a risky tactic for a new coach. I think the backfire potential is high. Doesn't matter how warranted the criticism is, that's still messaging that can rankle players, especially if it isn't 'lack of effort' but confusion with new schemes. And I think that's definitely a big factor
 
I think everyone needs to drastically lower your expectations until we find new ownership.

And those who expect new ownership?

Franchises are worth such an incredible amount and yet continue to escalate in value better than virtually any other investment.
 
thanks for the link. It is a good article

I found this kind of interesting:

"League personnel far and wide have taken note of the first-year head coach's penchant for blasting players' lack of effort and heart during postgame media sessions. It's a tactic often reserved for veteran coaches like Gregg Popovich.

Portland has now dropped six of its last seven games. Multiple league sources with knowledge of the situation cited player frustration with Billups' coaching demeanor and the team's offensive system
."

using the media to try and message-motivate players is a risky tactic for a new coach. I think the backfire potential is high. Doesn't matter how warranted the criticism is, that's still messaging that can rankle players, especially if it isn't 'lack of effort' but confusion with new schemes. And I think that's definitely a big factor
i don't think anyone can watch that abomination on defense in the utah game or the boston game and say it was anything but a lack of effort. billups' scheme is not that confusing. it's actually quite simple-- just requires players to be aware of what's going on. there are very few things to actually process in the middle of possessions.

and again, i don't think billups is necessarily playing games through the media to motivate the players. he's just speaking his mind out loud. it's definitely nuanced on how much he should and shouldn't call them out publicly, but he has said since day 1 that he's going to be transparent.
 
i don't think anyone can watch that abomination on defense in the utah game or the boston game and say it was anything but a lack of effort. billups' scheme is not that confusing. it's actually quite simple-- just requires players to be aware of what's going on. there are very few things to actually process in the middle of possessions.

and again, i don't think billups is necessarily playing games through the media to motivate the players. he's just speaking his mind out loud. it's definitely nuanced on how much he should and shouldn't call them out publicly, but he has said since day 1 that he's going to be transparent.

we're talking about a veteran team. Yes, a flawed veteran team, but still. And I think all the players knew what Billups resume was...as a player. They also knew he had very little experience as a coach. I do not believe he had enough credibility as a coach to use the media tactic more than once. And even then there was a risk

now, part of this is welded to his message in practice, behind closed doors. But the bottom line is the defense is failing. Everybody knows it's failing. It's failing worse than last year's defense and this roster was supposed to be a lot better defensively than last year's defense. Billups has some significant responsibility for this, but if his players think he's putting it all on them, there might be some real issues developing
 
i don't think anyone can watch that abomination on defense in the utah game or the boston game and say it was anything but a lack of effort. billups' scheme is not that confusing. it's actually quite simple-- just requires players to be aware of what's going on. there are very few things to actually process in the middle of possessions.

and again, i don't think billups is necessarily playing games through the media to motivate the players. he's just speaking his mind out loud. it's definitely nuanced on how much he should and shouldn't call them out publicly, but he has said since day 1 that he's going to be transparent.

You can do all of that in house and not expose it to the outside. While I appreciate the transparency as a fan, and it's good to validate that what we are seeing is not lost on the coach, it's not necessarily the greatest look when you see your boss complaining about you publicly, no matter how justified it is. Players also got frustrated under Terry and I'm sure there were issues but they never got out. The only ones that got out from my memory were Harkless being frustrated with his role and Afflalo hating it here. But there were other issues that never got out at the time, like Seth Curry being angry at his role. This is over Terry's 8+ year tenure. But not even a third of the way through his first season we already hear grumbles about players being unhappy with Chauncey's coaching style and an actual player's name (RoCo) frustrations have already been very well publicized. Not sure if this can be attributed to inexperience but it's definitely not a good look for a 1st time head coach, IMO.
 
we're talking about a veteran team. Yes, a flawed veteran team, but still. And I think all the players knew what Billups resume was...as a player. They also knew he had very little experience as a coach. I do not believe he had enough credibility as a coach to use the media tactic more than once. And even then there was a risk

now, part of this is welded to his message in practice, behind closed doors. But the bottom line is the defense is failing. Everybody knows it's failing. It's failing worse than last year's defense and this roster was supposed to be a lot better defensively than last year's defense. Billups has some significant responsibility for this, but if his players think he's putting it all on them, there might be some real issues developing
and yet again, I don't think that was his intent to try to motivate through the media as if he were phil jackson. he's simply answering questions, and he has repeatedly said that he too needs to be better and learn quicker every time he calls them out.
 
You can do all of that in house and not expose it to the outside. While I appreciate the transparency as a fan, and it's good to validate that what we are seeing is not lost on the coach, it's not necessarily the greatest look when you see your boss complaining about you publicly, no matter how justified it is. Players also got frustrated under Terry and I'm sure there were issues but they never got out. The only ones that got out from my memory were Harkless being frustrated with his role and Afflalo hating it here. But there were other issues that never got out at the time, like Seth Curry being angry at his role. This is over Terry's 8+ year tenure. But not even a third of the way through his first season we already hear grumbles about players being unhappy with Chauncey's coaching style and an actual player's name (RoCo) frustrations have already been very well publicized. Not sure if this can be attributed to inexperience but it's definitely not a good look for a 1st time head coach, IMO.
After 10 yrs of dealing with a coach repeating over and over again that the other team simply made shots, i find this refreshing. i can see how it could wear on the players, but these schemes make it clear as day who the culprits are. the strategy is not that complicated and the players don't need to be coddled like they were before.
 
After 10 yrs of dealing with a coach repeating over and over again that the other team simply made shots, i find this refreshing. i can see how it could wear on the players, but these schemes make it clear as day who the culprits are. the strategy is not that complicated and the players don't need to be coddled like they were before.

Really, you think the scheme is not part of the problem? Blitzing every screen with slow centers like Nurkic and Zeller? And with the one guy that could maybe make a blitzing scheme work (Nance), we end up switching instead of blizing. I never agree with the all or nothing approach. I thought Billups would cater the defense to our personnel and the opponents personnel. But so far he's just resorted to the same defense regardless of who is playing. That was my frustration with Terry. We dropped everything. Now under Billups with blitz everything. Just makes no sense unless the coach thinks the players are too dumb to remember more than one coverage (which may be true, given our personnel).

But either way, all of this could be kept in house and not ragged about to the media. That part is just unnecessary. You think Terry really "believed" that it was just the other team "making shots", or was that just what he said to the media?
 
i don't think anyone can watch that abomination on defense in the utah game or the boston game and say it was anything but a lack of effort. billups' scheme is not that confusing. it's actually quite simple-- just requires players to be aware of what's going on. there are very few things to actually process in the middle of possessions.

and again, i don't think billups is necessarily playing games through the media to motivate the players. he's just speaking his mind out loud. it's definitely nuanced on how much he should and shouldn't call them out publicly, but he has said since day 1 that he's going to be transparent.


The only players who will get annoyed by it are players who shouldn’t be here in the first place.

Which, might I add, I doubt any players are that annoyed by it. And if they are, it’s probably because they played for Mr. Do Whatever You Want in Stotts.

And I’m not sure how you can watch a couple players and not blame effort. Or, if they are “confused” they should be making mistakes going full speed.

Roco is a better athlete than me and it looks like my 105 year old grandpa moves better than him. It’s pathetic.
 
The only players who will get annoyed by it are players who shouldn’t be here in the first place.

Which, might I add, I doubt any players are that annoyed by it. And if they are, it’s probably because they played for Mr. Do Whatever You Want in Stotts.

And I’m not sure how you can watch a couple players and not blame effort. Or, if they are “confused” they should be making mistakes going full speed.

Roco is a better athlete than me and it looks like my 105 year old grandpa moves better than him. It’s pathetic.

I know its mostly effort when it comes to RoCo because last night he had multiple possessions where he actually put some effort in and stood up George. I hate players like that. I also get the sense that most of Billups frustrations are aimed at him. He almost never mentions his name. CJ is hopeless defensively, we all know that, but there's no excuse for RoCo
 
some contradictions here.

Whenever Lillard returns, the Blazers have a vested interest in surrounding him with playoff-caliber talent. It would appear that any Portland trades would primarily be geared toward shedding $3 million in salary to avoid paying the luxury tax—for a roster on the borderline of the play-in tournament—while also improving the league's 30th-ranked defense.

Contradiction to those of us living in the real world. Allen/Vulcan probably think that that's a reasonable ask, like it's not a trade off. It reminds me of McMillan constantly saying he wanted to run more, play at greater pace--sure he did, he just wanted to do it with no turnovers, which was impossible. So it was a "contradiction" of sorts, but really he just placed a higher priority on one that ended up precluding the other.

I suspect the same is true here.
 
After 10 yrs of dealing with a coach repeating over and over again that the other team simply made shots, i find this refreshing. i can see how it could wear on the players, but these schemes make it clear as day who the culprits are. the strategy is not that complicated and the players don't need to be coddled like they were before.

When you blast the players, you're doing what Olshey did--passing the buck. "I'm doing a great job, everyone around me is the problem." And before you say you don't think he's consciously trying to deflect blame--it doesn't matter. That's how it comes across and as a thinking adult human being, he should be aware of that. If he lacks even that basic awareness, he shouldn't be in a job that involves managing other people.
 
When you blast the players, you're doing what Olshey did--passing the buck. "I'm doing a great job, everyone around me is the problem." And before you say you don't think he's consciously trying to deflect blame--it doesn't matter. That's how it comes across and as a thinking adult human being, he should be aware of that. If he lacks even that basic awareness, he shouldn't be in a job that involves managing other people.

Unlike Olshey, he’s constantly taking ownership of having to do better as a coach. But at the same time he knows what it takes to win. He’s got something no one else on the team does. Shut up and listen.
 
When you blast the players, you're doing what Olshey did--passing the buck. "I'm doing a great job, everyone around me is the problem." And before you say you don't think he's consciously trying to deflect blame--it doesn't matter. That's how it comes across and as a thinking adult human being, he should be aware of that. If he lacks even that basic awareness, he shouldn't be in a job that involves managing other people.
That' quote is not really an accurate representation of these press conferences. Unlike Neil/Stotts, Chauncey has repeatedly said he too has to improve himself and is completely transparent on things he needs to improve on.

I wish some of you guys would watch the whole PCs instead of picking and choosing singular quotes. And the demeanor with which he speaks is also revealing.

Maybe he's too honest for this day and age, and it's fine line between calling guys out and losing them. I hope he figures it out sooner.
 
Billups has been tough on McCollum. He’s challenged him defensively and asked for more competitive fight. And he’s putting him in different spots on offense, which McCollum said has taken him time to adjust to.

“I like Chauncey,” McCollum said. “I like his approach. I think he’s approaching things the right way. He’s not a guy who thinks he knows it all. I think he’s approaching things the right way — asking for feedback, asking questions, and he’s holding himself accountable, which is important. It’s on us to be better, and he has stated that.”
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This quote is from an article published today, so as recent as it gets.
 
Contradiction to those of us living in the real world. Allen/Vulcan probably think that that's a reasonable ask, like it's not a trade off. It reminds me of McMillan constantly saying he wanted to run more, play at greater pace--sure he did, he just wanted to do it with no turnovers, which was impossible. So it was a "contradiction" of sorts, but really he just placed a higher priority on one that ended up precluding the other.

I suspect the same is true here.

Not a fan of the (fake) Vulcans, but they can't be faulted for wanting more for their money than what they are/were getting. The Suns made it to the Finals last year and this year have a lower salary bill and are under the Lux tax. The Chicago Bulls are #2 in the East and they are in a similar position financially as the Suns.
 
Maybe he's too honest for this day and age, and it's fine line between calling guys out and losing them. I hope he figures it out sooner.

Personally, I don't think it's about "being too honest." You can be honest behind closed doors. When you go to the press with it, you're trying to motivate through embarrassment. That has huge backfire potential--all the more so if you're wrong (which is also a high risk, when you're talking about things like effort and desire rather than factual things like being bad at boxing out).
 
i'm guessing some of you have jumped on the call. Usually see around 10 people on these. Like 30 on today.
 
Not a fan of the (fake) Vulcans, but they can't be faulted for wanting more for their money than what they are/were getting. The Suns made it to the Finals last year and this year have a lower salary bill and are under the Lux tax. The Chicago Bulls are #2 in the East and they are in a similar position financially as the Suns.

I don't disagree that it's possible, but it usually takes a star on a rookie deal/multiple core supporting players on rookie deals/just remarkable front office work. The Blazers aren't really in the first couple categories unless Little and Ant take major steps forward. We'd love an amazing front office, but I think a reasonable expectation for even a solid front office is that to seriously contend, you probably need to be willing to go into the luxury tax.
 
Anything interesting?
nothing too groundbreaking so far-- first 20 min or so were Blazer related. The moves initially will be to see if they can upgrade Roco/Nurk with existing roster. Return for Roco (if they can't get a direct upgrade) might be a first round pick value. Mentioned Utah specifically as someone that might see Roco as a missing piece that Portland can extract a pick from. Dame has historically been a roadblock to CJ moves-- that has decidedly changed now and CJ is fully aware of it. There is a faction in CJ's camp that might also be open to a move. Morey is steadfast in not trading Ben for CJ because he doesn't to give Dame what he wants.

Also might be unrelated, but Pacers firesale is coming. Pacers expecting a Vucevic-like return for Sabonis. Everyone is on the block except for their rookies and Brogdan (who is ineligible to be traded).
 

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