Bogus! FLU SHOTS

[calvin natt]

Banned? Why are there so many people smoking freely outside downtown everyday?

It's not just cigarettes either. Weed also makes my lungs get wacky. Any smoke.

Yeah banned. You left the house recently? You can’t smoke within 50 feet or whatever of plenty of places. But why? Why do they ban it?

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Yeah banned. You left the house recently? You can’t smoke within 50 feet or whatever of plenty of places. But why? Why do they ban it?

Someone is testy tonight.

Yes. I just told you I see people freely smoking ALL the time downtown. Right on the street. Where I walk.

Guess it's ok because it's not right next to the building entrance though huh?

 

[calvin natt]

Someone is testy tonight.

Yes. I just told you I see people freely smoking ALL the time downtown. Right on the street. Where I walk.

Guess it's ok because it's not right next to the building entrance though huh?

Well it goes to the other issue - that downtown Portland is a shit show. Next time I see a “no smoking within 50 ft sign” I’ll send your way.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

Well it goes to the other issue - that downtown Portland is a shit show. Next time I see a “no smoking within 50 ft sign” I’ll send your way.

Will you please call the cops once you see someone not use their blinker too. I really hate that.

 

[jlprk]

Most people are very lucky.

The difference between myself and many of them is simply that I realize and acknowledge my good fortune. If I weren't an atheist I'd be certain I was god's favorite.

Born into a fantastic family, growing up in a wonderful small town in America's most beautiful state, knowing so many good people, leading an exhilarating and memorable life and living my dream here in Beautiful Central Oregon.

But from a health standpoint, I was born with a weak or messed-up auto-immune system which is why I had the measles twice, chicken pox 3 times and nearly died from the horrific Stevens-Johnson Syndrome (likely triggered by a vaccine), all before I reached age 14. SJS didn't kill me, but it pretty much destroyed any chance I ever had for dental health.

http://sjsupport.org/?p=753

It's also probably why I developed Psoriasis in my twenties and now have Psoriatic Arthritis and a higher chance of getting cancer.

Sorry to hear that, Maris.

 

[Lanny]

That’s the point. I’m not a medical professional so I listen go their advice like a smart person. I don’t override their suggestions because I’m some conspiracy theorist truther moron.

This is what ALL successful businessmen do.

 

[Lanny]

Here is an interesting article from last month. It's long but worth reading.

China Has Withheld Samples of a Dangerous Flu Virus
Despite an international agreement, U.S. health authorities still have not received H7N9 avian flu specimens from their Chinese counterparts.

For over a year, the Chinese government has withheld lab samples of a rapidly evolving influenza virus from the United States — specimens needed to develop vaccines and treatments, according to federal health officials.

Despite persistent requests from government officials and research institutions, China has not provided samples of the dangerous virus, a type of bird flu called H7N9. In the past, such exchanges have been mostly routine under rules established by the World Health Organization.

Now, as the United States and China spar over trade, some scientists worry that the vital exchange of medical supplies and information could slow, hampering preparedness for the next biological threat.

The scenario is “unlike shortages in aluminum and soybeans,” said Dr. Michael Callahan, an infectious disease specialist at Harvard Medical School.

“Jeopardizing U.S. access to foreign pathogens and therapies to counter them undermines our nation’s ability to protect against infections which can spread globally within days.”

Experts concur that the world’s next global pandemic will likely come from a repeat offender: the flu. The H7N9 virus is one candidate.

Since taking root in China in 2013, the virus has spread through poultry farms, evolving into a highly pathogenic strain that can infect humans. It has killed 40 percent of its victims.

If this strain were to become highly contagious among humans, seasonal flu vaccines would provide little to no protection. Americans have virtually no immunity.

“Pandemic influenza spreads faster than anything else,” said Rick A. Bright, the director of Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, an agency within the Department of Health and Human Services that oversees vaccine development. “There’s nothing to hold it back or slow it down. Every minute counts.”

Under an agreement established by the World Health Organization, participating countries must transfer influenza samples with pandemic potential to designated research centers “in a timely manner.”

That process — involving paperwork, approval through several agencies and a licensed carrier — normally takes several months, according to Dr. Larry Kerr, the director of pandemics and emerging threats at the Department of Health and Human Services.

But more than one year after a devastating wave of H7N9 infections in Asia — 766 cases were reported, almost all in China — the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is still waiting for several viral samples, the National Security Council and the W.H.O. confirmed.

Scientists at the Department of Agriculture have had such difficulty obtaining flu samples from China that they have stopped requesting them altogether, according to a government official who spoke anonymously because he was not authorized to discuss the matter.

At least four research institutions have relied upon a small group of H7N9 samples from cases in Taiwan and Hong Kong. (All four asked not to be identified for fear of further straining ties.)

The Chinese embassy in Washington did not respond to multiple requests for comment. The Chinese Center For Disease Control and Prevention also did not reply to inquiries regarding the transfer.

When the H7N9 virus first appeared in China, researchers say the Chinese government at first provided timely information. But communication has gradually worsened.

Yet a sudden spike in infections during the 2016-2017 outbreak wave demands intense research, said scientists aiming to understand the virus’ evolution.

Recent trade tensions could worsen the problem.

The Office of the United States Trade Representative in April released a proposed list of products to be targeted for tariffs — including pharmaceutical products such as vaccines, medicines and medical devices.

So far, none of those medical products have landed on the final tariff lists. But lower-level trade negotiations with China concluded on Thursday with few signs of progress, increasing the likelihood of additional tariffs.

The United States relies on China not only for H7N9 influenza samples but for medical supplies, such as plastic drip mechanisms for intravenous saline, as well as ingredients for certain oncology and anesthesia drugs. Some of these are delivered through a just-in-time production model; there are no stockpiles, which could prove dangerous if the supply was disrupted, health officials said.

Scientists believe top commerce officials in both governments view the viral samples much like any other laboratory product, and may be unfamiliar with their vital role in global security.

“Countries don’t own their viral samples any more than they own the birds in their skies,” said Andrew C. Weber, who oversaw biological defense programs at the Pentagon during the Obama administration.

hid the 2002 outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, for four months and then kept the findings of its research private. Some provinces withheld information about cases even from the central government in Beijing.

In 2005, Chinese authorities insisted an H5N1 influenza outbreak was contained, contradicting University of Hong Kong scientists who offered evidence that it was expanding. Those authorities hesitated to share viral samples from infected wild birds with the international community, concealing the scope to avoid a hit to their vast poultry industry.

Indonesia followed suit, refusing in 2007 to share specimens of H5N1 with the United States and United Kingdom, arguing that the countries would use the samples to develop a vaccine that Indonesians could not afford.

Those episodes led to the 2011 development of the W.H.O.’s Pandemic Influenza Preparedness Framework, which aims to promote sample exchanges as well as developing countries’ access to vaccines.

But for countries like China, bearing the burden of a novel virus is paradoxical. Outbreaks are expensive — the wave of H7N9 infections in 2013 alone cost China more than $6 billion, according to the United Nations — but they can provide a head-start in developing valuable treatments.

“In a sense, China has made lemonade from lemons — converting the problem of global infectious disease threats into lifesaving and valuable commodities,” Dr. Callahan said.

And now, as the H7N9 virus evolves, United States authorities worry that the Chinese have obfuscated the scale and features of this outbreak.

The Chinese government has refused to share clinical data from infected patients, according to scientists, and claims to have all but eradicated H7N9 through a single poultry vaccination campaign.

“Influenza is going to do what it does best, which is mutate,” Dr. Kerr said.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/health/china-flu-virus-samples.html

Nearly all flu comes from China.

 

[Lanny]

Do you know why there is a very small amount of mercury in the vaccine?

Some flu vaccines have no mercury. Others that have mercury, use mercury that is bound up with other atoms that make it relatively harmless.
Nope, you're better off with the shot.
By the way, some dental fillings contain mercury and I don't hear a great hue and cry about that. That mercury is also in a form that is benign.

 

[CupWizier]

Some flu vaccines have no mercury. Others that have mercury, use mercury that is bound up with other atoms that make it relatively harmless.
Nope, you're better off with the shot.
By the way, some dental fillings contain mercury and I don't hear a great hue and cry about that. That mercury is also in a form that is benign.

I always find it funny how people react to things like a extremely small amount of a chemical in something when they have been eating tuna fish for years that contains about the same amount and not a whimper. Being one who worked in the chemical industry since I was 23 I have been exposed to some very dangerous chemicals and this was way before many safety precautions were implemented. Acetone, Toluene, Methylene Chloride, TriChlor. Tri Ethane, Xylene etc. was an everyday experience.

 

[CupWizier]

Most people are very lucky.

The difference between myself and many of them is simply that I realize and acknowledge my good fortune. If I weren't an atheist I'd be certain I was god's favorite.

Born into a fantastic family, growing up in a wonderful small town in America's most beautiful state, knowing so many good people, leading an exhilarating and memorable life and living my dream here in Beautiful Central Oregon.

But from a health standpoint, I was born with a weak or messed-up auto-immune system which is why I had the measles twice, chicken pox 3 times and nearly died from the horrific Stevens-Johnson Syndrome (likely triggered by a vaccine), all before I reached age 14. SJS didn't kill me, but it pretty much destroyed any chance I ever had for dental health.

http://sjsupport.org/?p=753

It's also probably why I developed Psoriasis in my twenties and now have Psoriatic Arthritis and a higher chance of getting cancer.

You forgot to mention wearing your tin foil hat 24/7.

 

[calvin natt]

https://apple.news/A6HAaXqNiTTWML0go6KJk9A

 

[Shaboid]

https://apple.news/A6HAaXqNiTTWML0go6KJk9A

That story does make me reconsider getting a flu shot. But, let's break down the numbers.

80,000 deaths

About 70 percent of hospitalizations and 90 percent of flu-related deaths occurred in people over 65 in the 2017-2018 flu season, according to the CDC.

I'll take my chances on being one of those 1,000 people

http://time.com/5138100/how-effective-is-the-2018-flu-shot/

Only @MARIS61 is saying that nobody should get a flu shot. Feel free! Especially people that are at high-risk. However, if one doesn't want to because they're confident that they'd survive without putting something unnatural in their body, who is to tell them differently?

Again, from your own article:

The flu vaccine doesn't offer complete protection; the CDC estimates that flu vaccination reduces the risk of the virus by about 40 to 60 percent.

50/50. I choose a beer.

 

[Lanny]

I always find it funny how people react to things like a extremely small amount of a chemical in something when they have been eating tuna fish for years that contains about the same amount and not a whimper. Being one who worked in the chemical industry since I was 23 I have been exposed to some very dangerous chemicals and this was way before many safety precautions were implemented. Acetone, Toluene, Methylene Chloride, TriChlor. Tri Ethane, Xylene etc. was an everyday experience.

I've worked with those, except the Xylene, at Tektronix for years.

 

[Lanny]

That story does make me reconsider getting a flu shot. But, let's break down the numbers.

80,000 deaths

I'll take my chances on being one of those 1,000 people

http://time.com/5138100/how-effective-is-the-2018-flu-shot/

Only @MARIS61 is saying that nobody should get a flu shot. Feel free! Especially people that are at high-risk. However, if one doesn't want to because they're confident that they'd survive without putting something unnatural in their body, who is to tell them differently?

Again, from your own article:



50/50. I choose a beer.

1. It depends on the flu shot. There are two types of shots out there. There is the standard shot and there is a stronger shot. I get the stronger shot from the VA because of my compromised immune system. My wife got the stronger shot because she chose it.
2. The beer sounds good.

 

[Lanny]

Standard flu shots are being offered for free at the downtown Lake Oswego Safeway today. Will they be free tomorrow? I have no idea. Are they free at other Safeway stores? Again, I have no idea.

 

[CupWizier]

I've worked with those, except the Xylene, at Tektronix for years.

Yep, Tektronix was a big customer as well as many other manufacturers. Boeing was as well as they used a lot of Tri-Ethane. Rodda Paints and Miller Paints were also large users of chemicals

 

[Lanny]

Yep, Tektronix was a big customer as well as many other manufacturers. Boeing was as well as they used a lot of Tri-Ethane. Rodda Paints and Miller Paints were also large users of chemicals

I never worked with any chemicals at Boeing.
We used a lot of Tri Chlor for cleaning circuit boards. They used acetone in a sonic tank after wave soldering their circuit boards but Tri Chlor for cleaning repair jobs by hand.

Hey, one guy brought in some engine parts and cleaned them in the sonic tank over the weekend when no one was looking. Monday morning the company had to do a major cleaning job of the sonic cleaner. Some people were real pissed about that. Good thing the guy was never caught or he would have been toast.

 

[MARIS61]

That story does make me reconsider getting a flu shot. But, let's break down the numbers.

80,000 deaths

I'll take my chances on being one of those 1,000 people

http://time.com/5138100/how-effective-is-the-2018-flu-shot/

Only @MARIS61 is saying that nobody should get a flu shot. Feel free! Especially people that are at high-risk. However, if one doesn't want to because they're confident that they'd survive without putting something unnatural in their body, who is to tell them differently?

Again, from your own article:



50/50. I choose a beer.

Where did I say nobody should get a flu shot?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

nobody should get a flu shot

Right there.

 

[THE HCP]

I have got one every October for the past 10 years now. I don’t know if it really works or not, but I just don’t get sick anymore. Nothing major like I used to. Work makes me get it and it’s free, so why not?

 

[Lanny]

Right there.

Oops
Cheer up, Maris, it happens to all of us sooner or later. You've got to admit, it was kind of humorous.