For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered)

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Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

More cut for the working world? No, more cut out for being a stay-at-home mom. She seems great at balancing the nuances for being a stay at home mom. However, she seems to struggle at school, she can't figure out how to activate her campus email account, and she spends most of her day on a bus.

Man we see the world different . . . thank god UCLA didn't pigeon hole her as no more than a stay-at-home mom. I'm guessing 20 years ago taht would have been her fate. But not in today's world.

The fact she spends most of her day on the bus and hasn't been raised with the technology of even being familiar with email and manages to pass a UCLA test . . . that girl's got potential.

Any employer who gives her an oppotunity will get a hard working devoted employee.
 
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She's a native of another country. How is it a "punishment" to send her home?

If she's been in this country since she was four, the US is home to her, not the place where she was born.

barfo
 
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Schools should be cut-throat, not feel good. Emphasis needs to be on "success" rather than "sunshine". Especially at one of the top public institutions in the country. To me, it seems like this girl was decidedly AVERAGE as an applicant. Who knows what kind of student could have taken her place and actually thrived instead of blaming her failures on her Wienerschnitzel job or 80 mile bus commute.

How can you possibly say she was decidedly average as an applicant when you have never seen her application package?

You have no idea what kind of applicant she was. I don't either, but UCLA admissions reviewed her application along with thousands of others and found her to be a good canidate for UCLA. Bitter people want to say it is all because of her race, but that is a very naive and shallow analysis of the sitatuion.
 
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Borrowing=working?

Yes. I worked nights in a warehouse and also had to borrow money to pay my bills. Fourtunately my post-graduate work was paid in part by my job.

Do you have a problem with that?



Sorry to hear that. What's the link between your job loss and corruption, if you don't mind my asking?

barfo


I mind you asking. Piss off.
 
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If she's been in this country since she was four, the US is home to her, not the place where she was born.

barfo

Not if she's illegal. Laws are a bitch.
 
Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

Schools should be cut-throat, not feel good.

That's like saying the moon should be made of green cheese. Maybe it "should be", but it isn't.

barfo
 
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Not if she's illegal. Laws are a bitch.

Laws don't mean crap if you're a politician or a part of a protected group, such as illegal aliens.
 
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My college was pretty cutthroat. I wasn't good enough to get in on grades...I needed to show other things.

In my case, being Marine of the Quarter for my unit, smokin' SATs, a couple of good recommendations and a required year at the feeder Prep School.

She's unlucky, though, since the DREAM act didn't pass she can't serve the country to get citizenship.

As a legal point I don't quite understand, how does she work at Weinerschnitzel if she doesn't have a SSN? How does she pay taxes?
 
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Not if she's illegal. Laws are a bitch.

I said "home to her", meaning "what she thinks of as home". I agree that you and the US government might have a different definition of home for her.

barfo
 
Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

"A San Pedro girl's undocumented status means no financial aid. Money is tight, classes are tough, and just getting to campus takes 2 1/2 hours."


Sad there is a lack of appreciation for what this girl is trying to overcome. I know if I was in her sitaution and didn't have any breaks in life, I would probably have ended up rich or in jail by the age of 30 . . . most likely in jail.
 
Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

"A San Pedro girl's undocumented status means no financial aid. Money is tight, classes are tough, and just getting to campus takes 2 1/2 hours."


Sad there is a lack of appreciation for what this girl is trying to overcome. I know if I was in her sitaution and didn't have any breaks in life, I would probably have ended up rich or in jail by the age of 30 . . . most likely in jail.

I appreciate what she is trying to overcome, but the fact remains she isn't a legal resident. Of course, we're now funding abortions in Africa, so if we are doing that, we may as well give illegal aliens college tuition.
 
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Yes. I worked nights in a warehouse and also had to borrow money to pay my bills. Fourtunately my post-graduate work was paid in part by my job.

Do you have a problem with that?

You worked and borrowed your way through college. I don't have any problem with that.

I mind you asking. Piss off.

As you wish.

barfo
 
Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

Sorry to hear that, GO Time, and I'm glad you got some breaks.
 
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I said "home to her", meaning "what she thinks of as home". I agree that you and the US government might have a different definition of home for her.

barfo

I don't care what she thinks; the law is the law. I think of my "home" to be Jerry Stubblefield's place on Jantzen Island, but it's not.
 
Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

As you wish.

barfo


I forgot the ;) icon on that. Whoops!
 
Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

I don't care what she thinks; the law is the law. I think of my "home" to be Jerry Stubblefield's place on Jantzen Island, but it's not.

I agree you don't care what she thinks; I agree that the law is the law (and Deron is Deron, for that matter).
I don't know who Jerry Stubblefield is.

barfo
 
Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

I agree you don't care what she thinks; I agree that the law is the law (and Deron is Deron, for that matter).
I don't know who Jerry Stubblefield is.

barfo

You don't have to for my point to be made. Oh, and Jerry Stubblefield was the founder of Avia. He lives on an island in Oswego Lake.
 
Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

You don't have to for my point to be made.

I agree with that as well.

barfo
 
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Man we see the world different . . . thank god UCLA didn't pigeon hole her as no more than a stay-at-home mom. I'm guessing 20 years ago taht would have been her fate. But not in today's world.

The fact she spends most of her day on the bus and hasn't been raised with the technology of even being familiar with email and manages to pass a UCLA test . . . that girl's got potential.

Any employer who gives her an oppotunity will get a hard working devoted employee.

What is her potential? That she can ride a bus to work? She seems to not being doing all that well, doesn't think she'll get a job after graduation, and I see nothing else that would indicate that she will succeed other than having a UCLA diploma.

She seems to get lost.
 
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How can you possibly say she was decidedly average as an applicant when you have never seen her application package?

You have no idea what kind of applicant she was. I don't either, but UCLA admissions reviewed her application along with thousands of others and found her to be a good canidate for UCLA. Bitter people want to say it is all because of her race, but that is a very naive and shallow analysis of the sitatuion.

I can only go with what I'm given from the article.

She's an illegal.

She got into a state-funded, public institution.

Barely in the top20% of her high school class.

48th percentile on her standardized tests.

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.c...-race-based-affirmative-action-in-admissions/

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/polisci/faculty/groseclose/CUARS.Resignation.Report.pdf


From the associate vice chancellor of the school: "Short of assigning a personal tutor, I'm not sure what else we can do," Lifka said.

Yeah, sounds really prepared. Maybe whoever hires her can hire someone to make sure she knows what she's doing. :crazy:
 
Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

I can only go with what I'm given from the article.

She's an illegal.

She got into a state-funded, public institution.

Barely in the top20% of her high school class.

48th percentile on her standardized tests.

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.c...-race-based-affirmative-action-in-admissions/

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/polisci/faculty/groseclose/CUARS.Resignation.Report.pdf


From the associate vice chancellor of the school: "Short of assigning a personal tutor, I'm not sure what else we can do," Lifka said.

Yeah, sounds really prepared. Maybe whoever hires her can hire someone to make sure she knows what she's doing. :crazy:

It's not true you are only going by what is in the article. A representative from UCLA say they consider othre things than GPA and you say it is because of race . . . show me in the article where it says she got admitted to UCLA because of race. You are going beyond the article.

But again we see things differnetly . . . anyone who is willing to ride a bus 2.5 hours to go to school where they can't even get financial aid . . . so basically they spend 5 hours on a bus daily and have to afford the tution costs without help . . . and can get a BA from UCLA. If you can't see the accomplishments there :crazy:
 
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What are those mysterious "other things"? Its actually against the law to make race a determining factor I believe at UC schools, but there are ways around it.

If she had outstanding achievements, they would have likely been mentioned in this article. Its really perplexing.

And I don't give a shit if she takes a bus 3 hours to get to school and gets no financial aid. That's not an accomplishment in itself.
 
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What are those mysterious "other things"? Its actually against the law to make race a determining factor I believe at UC schools, but there are ways around it.

If she had outstanding achievements, they would have likely been mentioned in this article. Its really perplexing.

And I don't give a shit if she takes a bus 3 hours to get to school and gets no financial aid. That's not an accomplishment in itself.

I see, UCLA is a fine institution . . . that engages in illegal practices????

I wonder if there is a poster on this board that would ride the bus 3-5 hours a day to attend school that they get no help in paying. Hell I wonder how many psosters (or kids) would go to college if they got no financial help, had no money and had to compete against students that english is their first language . . . forget all taht, how many kids would go to college if they got no financial help?

They did mention her achievements in the article, you just don't recognize them as achievements (grew up with nothing, had no family support, that her just gettting to school and paying for the clothes on her back takes more effort than the classes themselves, that UCLA found something redeeming about these obsticles . . . many more)

Just like I don't put a lot of weight into some highschool student who aces their tests. I'm not saying I'm right, but I will tell you there are two schools of thought out there . . . some who judge people mostly by grades and tests and others who judge people more on what they have accomplished outside of school. I'm not saying which is better, just hope you recognize the two schools of thought.

You never answered me before, when you hire do you really put that much weight into grades and tests . . . because for me grades are an afterthought.
 
Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

growing up with nothing is an accomplishment?

Clothing yourself is an accomplishment?


Would you say raking the leaves or picking up a discarded soft drink can is an accomplishment as well?
 
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growing up with nothing is an accomplishment?

Clothing yourself is an accomplishment?


Would you say raking the leaves or picking up a discarded soft drink can is an accomplishment as well?

Twist it all you want . . . that's not what I'm saying.

Growing up with nothing, english is your second language, having to work to help pay bills in highschool, being the first one in your family to attend college, putting yourself through college, ridding a bus five hours a day to get to college, and obtaining a UCLA diploma . . yes call me crazy, but I consider that an accomplishment.

Growing up with nothing and doing nothing with your life . . . not an accomplishment. Is it really that hard to understand?
 
Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

Twist it all you want . . . that's not what I'm saying.

Growing up with nothing, english is your second language, having to work to help pay bills in highschool, being the first one in your family to attend college, putting yourself through college, ridding a bus five hours a day to get to college, and obtaining a UCLA diploma . . yes call me crazy, but I consider that an accomplishment.

Growing up with nothing and doing nothing with your life . . . not an accomplishment. Is it really that hard to understand?

Sure, its good she's not out there getting pregnant and living off welfare I guess. Quite the accomplishment. She needs to stop making excuses for herself though, which she seems to be doing.

She didn't set up her email.
She has to ride the bush.
She's illegal so she can't get a job.

blah blah blah.


To quote Glengarry Glen Ross' Ricky Roma: Your excuses are your own.
 
Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

Sure, its good she's not out there getting pregnant and living off welfare I guess. Quite the accomplishment. She needs to stop making excuses for herself though, which she seems to be doing.

She didn't set up her email.
She has to ride the bush.
She's illegal so she can't get a job.

blah blah blah.


To quote Glengarry Glen Ross' Ricky Roma: Your excuses are your own.

Excuses? If she wanted excuses to quit on life, she's got them.

No excuses, she is got herself into UCLA and is paying her own way.

Ironic thing is it's that sad sack who didn't make it into UCLA who is using her as an excuse. People need to get over the fact she made it into UCLA and stop blaming illegal immigration for all their problems . . . talk about excuses.

But finally we see eye to eye . . . stop balming other for your problems, your excuses are your own (I like that)
 
Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

Excuses? If she wanted excuses to quit on life, she's got them.

No excuses, she is got herself into UCLA and is paying her own way.

Ironic thing is it's that sad sack who didn't make it into UCLA who is using her as an excuse. People need to get over the fact she made it into UCLA and stop blaming illegal immigration for all their problems . . . talk about excuses.

But finally we see eye to eye . . . stop balming other for your problems, your excuses are your own (I like that)

Actually as UCLA is a state-funded school, she is not paying her own way. And as an illegal, she has no place there in a state-funded school.

And I would never go to UCLA.
 
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Actually as UCLA is a state-funded school, she is not paying her own way. And as an illegal, she has no place there in a state-funded school.

And I would never go to UCLA.

So you are off the excuse thing . . . now realizing that really some are using her as an excuse as to why they didn't get into UCLA. I like what you said, stop the excuses and man up to the fact you (whoever) couldn't convince UCLA to accept you.

If you want to now turn this into the fact she is illegal. I can't argue with that. UCLA decided that they don't care, and I'm glad. Is it right . . . probably not. But there are a lot of worse things in this country than an undocumented student going to UCLA.

But let's get back to excuses . . . I think that is why I have gone this route. She makes no excuses for her situation and deals with it. Meanwhile I know there is some kids out there with a high GPA using her as an excuse as to why he didn't get into UCLA . . . isn't that really what this is all about . . . so that someone rejected from UCLA can point to her and say see is the reason why.
 
Re: For an Illegal...getting into UCLA was the easy part.....(when the bar is lowered

So you are off the excuse thing . . . now realizing that really some are using her as an excuse as to why they didn't get into UCLA. I like what you said, stop the excuses and man up to the fact you (whoever) couldn't convince UCLA to accept you.

If you want to now turn this into the fact she is illegal. I can't argue with that. UCLA decided that they don't care, and I'm glad. Is it right . . . probably not. But there are a lot of worse things in this country than an undocumented student going to UCLA.

But let's get back to excuses . . . I think that is why I have gone this route. She makes no excuses for her situation and deals with it. Meanwhile I know there is some kids out there with a high GPA using her as an excuse as to why he didn't get into UCLA . . . isn't that really what this is all about . . . so that someone rejected from UCLA can point to her and say see is the reason why.

Well, she doesn't seem to be thriving..doing about as well as someone with her qualifications would suggest.
 
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