For God's sake, Birthers...

[chris_in_pdx]

Give it a fucking rest. Spend your obviously misguided energy elsewhere.

From: This AP Article

Leonard Grimes, a 70-year-old retired logger, said the nation is drifting toward socialism, and he's not convinced Obama is eligible to be president.

"I'd like him to prove he's an American citizen," said Grimes, a registered independent who is originally from Michigan but now lives in Golden Valley, Ariz.

What the hell will it take to educate these people? Or do they just choose to remain ignorant to fuel their hate?

 

[julius]

They'll always change what they want him to prove, to justify him being president. Even if he was to provide the actual birth certificate, they'll still deny it. That's not an uncommon tactic. You just deny deny deny, and then ignore it.

It gets hard not to see this as just people not liking the fact he's black.

 

[Nate4Prez]

They just choose to remain ignorant to fuel their hate?

Ding!Ding!Ding!

We Have A Winner!

 

[barfo]

C'mon. If he was a real American he'd have the flag tattooed on his face.

barfo

 

[Sug]

This is actually a great issue to keep alive and on the front burner. It benefits Obama because it exposes the crazies on the far right that have taken control of the Pubs. I feel bad for actual conservatives because their party has been hijacked by religious and racial extremists. As a result they cannot be true to their conservative beliefs and still get elected. November is going to be a wake up call for conservatives because their party will slip further away from them even as the Pubs gain seats over the Dems. I think the big winner in all of this might be the Libs because they can perhaps pickup some support from the true conservatives as they look for an alternative. The Green party messed up some elections for the Dems and now the Tea Party will do the same for the Pubs.

 

[Denny Crane]

I have no doubt he's born an american and fully qualified in those terms to be president.

Why he doesn't just produce a birth certificate is beyond me.

 

[barfo]

I have no doubt he's born an american and fully qualified in those terms to be president.

Why he doesn't just produce a birth certificate is beyond me.

And why doesn't he stop beating his wife?

barfo

 

[chris_in_pdx]

Why he doesn't just produce a birth certificate is beyond me.

Tell me how the documentation provided REPEATEDLY by the state of Hawaii doesn't qualify.

 

[Natebishop3]

Tell me how the documentation provided REPEATEDLY by the state of Hawaii doesn't qualify.

THAT'S not a real state... Hawaii is a myth.

 

[Minstrel]

Why he doesn't just produce a birth certificate is beyond me.

He's produced a Hawaii certificate of live birth, which is functionally equivalent.

I'm glad he doesn't keep producing documentation. No one who matters thinks he might not be a US citizen. Keeping the nutjobs in the news hurts his opposition, not him.

 

[Sug]

I have no doubt he's born an american and fully qualified in those terms to be president.

Why he doesn't just produce a birth certificate is beyond me.

Wow you're a birther also?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

global warming is real too. look at the scientific evidence!

 

[MARIS61]

Leonard Grimes, a 70-year-old retarded logger, said the nation is drifting toward socialism, and he's not convinced Obama is eligible to be president.

"I'd like him to prove he's an American citizen," said Grimes, a registered idiot who is originally from Michigan but now lives in a drunken stupor.

Fixed!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I have no doubt he's born an american and fully qualified in those terms to be president.

Why he doesn't just produce a birth certificate is beyond me.

Maybe he was hatched, or crawled out of a giant pod.

Can he still be president if he only has a pod certificate?

 

[Denny Crane]

I have no doubt he's born an american and fully qualified in those terms to be president.

Why he doesn't just produce a birth certificate is beyond me.

I'm not a birther. I just want to see this thing put to rest.

I think he was born in Hawaii, but that the birth certificate that has been provided was redacted adding more fuel to this silly fire.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Obama's "birth" issue may not be fully solvable, but it's close enough for government work.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

I'm not a birther. I just want to see this thing put to rest.

It will never be put to rest. There's a small segment of people who just can't or don't want to believe that a black man of his origins can be President, and will not accept ANY answer that changes that belief. A signed note from God could come down from the heavens that stated that he was an American Citizen, and they wouldn't care. Their hate needs an outlet.

 

[hasoos]

All it takes is one stupid person to ruin your whole fucking day. Unfortunately they are everywhere, and they can vote.

What the Birthers really need is psychological counseling. Because we know the real reason that they don't want Obama in the white house. Because he is Black. They just use this veiled response to cover their real idealogy.

 

[TripTango]

FWIW:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

 

[barfo]

I'm not a birther. I just want to see this thing put to rest.

I think he was born in Hawaii, but that the birth certificate that has been provided was redacted adding more fuel to this silly fire.

You could check factcheck.org. They have photos of the non-redacted birth certificate.

barfo

 

[hasoos]

The state of Hawaii actually passed a law the other day that allowed the state to refuse any more request for his birth certificate.

 

[chris_in_pdx]

The state of Hawaii actually passed a law the other day that allowed the state to refuse any more request for his birth certificate.

It was a law that said that the same people can't continually ask for the same record over and over and over, as many out-of-state people and organizations have been doing for the past two years. As I said, some people don't want to believe the truth, it would impede on their hatred.

 

[Denny Crane]

What comes around goes around.


Frickin' brithers.

 

[julius]

The picture (in this thread) could be doctored, but the other one (that is blurry) would be much harder to doctor.

of course, the original document could be a fake, but it just seems difficult to believe that his parents (and the newspaper) would go through such detail to fake his citizenship.

 

[julius]

What comes around goes around.


Frickin' brithers.

Well, for starters, I believe that was done in retaliation to the Kenyan born rumors. Plus, no one took them seriously or had rallies. Nor did they keep going on and on about it. And it's incredibly doubtful they'd give a shit about it had he become president. Plus, I think it was done to show how asinine people can be about that crap.

 

[Minstrel]

I'm not a birther. I just want to see this thing put to rest.

Why? It only benefits Obama to have his opposition look like crazies.

Oh, right. Well, you can't blame Obama for not saving birthers from themselves.

 

[Denny Crane]

I have no doubt that either one is qualified by the constitution. Natural Born seems nebulous, but if you became a US citizen by birth it seems the test.

There are interesting questions raised by both circumstances.

In Obama's case, his father wasn't a US citizen. In McCain's case, both his parents were citizens.

The first question becomes one of dual citizenship. Our constitution says that any Person born on US soil is a citizen - the president is thus a citizen. But his father was a Kenyan citizen. Similarly, McCain's parents were overseas (Panama) on govt. business. Since McCain is a US citizen, it's likely that President Obama is or was a citizen of Kenya, too. The reverse is true for McCain - is he a citizen of Panama as well as of the USA? Meaning, they both may have dual citizenships.

The constitution doesn't preclude people who have dual citizenships from being president, so I don't see that as an issue.

In fact, FactCheck.org says Obama was a Kenyan citizen until his 23rd birthday.

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_barack_obama_have_kenyan_citizenship.html

I suspect McCain either was a dual citizen until a certain age as well, or could have been had he chosen to have dual citizenship.

All this raises a second question - should this requirement be eliminated altogether? The reasoning for it is clear - we don't want some official (officially or not) of a foreign nation to be our commander in chief. However, there are plenty of good and otherwise qualified people whose allegiance is clearly to the United States and they're US citizens, though not Naturally Born. Maybe they deserve to be eligible. What do you think?

 

[Minstrel]

All this raises a second question - should this requirement be eliminated altogether? The reasoning for it is clear - we don't want some official (officially or not) of a foreign nation to be our commander in chief. However, there are plenty of good and otherwise qualified people whose allegiance is clearly to the United States and they're US citizens, though not Naturally Born. Maybe they deserve to be eligible. What do you think?

I think that it, as well as the age requirement, should be dropped. Both seem arbitrary. Once all the facts are out about a candidate, including their age and where they were born, let the people decide. The only requirement to be President should be that a majority of people want you to be President at the time of the election (I'd drop the Electoral College, too).

 

[barfo]

I think that it, as well as the age requirement, should be dropped. Both seem arbitrary. Once all the facts are out about a candidate, including their age and where they were born, let the people decide. The only requirement to be President should be that a majority of people want you to be President at the time of the election (I'd drop the Electoral College, too).

I think we need to keep the age requirement. Look at how excited certain people got about the supposedly hot Palin. Now imagine if McCain had picked some 20-year-old supermodel instead.

And speaking of McCain, I'd also institute an upper limit on age as well.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I think that it, as well as the age requirement, should be dropped. Both seem arbitrary. Once all the facts are out about a candidate, including their age and where they were born, let the people decide. The only requirement to be President should be that a majority of people want you to be President at the time of the election (I'd drop the Electoral College, too).

I think we've been over the electoral college thing before.

While it seems great on the surface that "majority wins," the problem is that the strategy for winning would be to start marketing at the biggest cities and work your way down. It wouldn't take much, in that respect, to get to the 50% + 1.

Even though a state like Wyoming might have less population than the city of San Jose CA, it deserves attention and its state's needs addressed by the feds. IMO.